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Anders Behring Breivik Court Transcript 2012-05-29 Live Report


Tuesday 29 May 2012

8:47 In a few minutes, starting on 7 week of the trial of Behring Anders Breivik.

8:48 On Tuesday, four of Breivik's friends testify.

8:50 Your friends will testify about the contact they had with the accused terrorist.

8:50 According to VG, at least one of them require the defendant to leave the courtroom during the explanation.

8:53 Prosecutor Svein Holden wants to learn how Breivik was as a person before the 22 July. Read more here.

8:59 There are three friends to explain himself plus one of your friends' ex-girlfriend.

8:59 Breivik have taken place in the courtroom.

9:01 The court is set.

9:03 Prosecutors Holden said initially that Jørg Morland of Public Health to testify Thursday, since there was not time for his statement on Friday.

9:05 Prosecutors Holden said that today's witnesses have requested anonymity, and that they do not want contact with the media.

9:07 Breivik can not be present while the current testifying.

9:10 The experts Aspaas and Sørheim join Breivik in an adjacent room to observe the defendant during the previous friend's explanation.

9:12 The first witness has taken the witness stand.

9:13 Prosecutors Engh: - Can you tell us about when you first met the accused?

9:13 Friend: - I met him around 1990.

9:13 Prosecutors Engh: - You had moved to Oslo? Did you go in the same class?

9:14 The witness was in the same class as the accused.

9:14 Prosecutors Engh: - Can you tell us about what kind of contact you had in elementary school?

9:15 The witness said he was playing with the defendant. Video games, played basketball, rode around and went to Frognerbadet.

9:15 Prosecutors Engh: - If you were a lot together? Several times a week?

9:15 They were together several times a week.

9:15 Prosecutors Engh: - How was he to be with?

9:16 Witness: - I do not know how to say this. It was thought perhaps not as much of it as a child. I saw him as we had it like any other child. We had fun together.

9:16 Prosecutors Engh: - Was it just the two of you, or was it more?

9:16 The witness: - There were more, but we had what is called best friends.

9:17 Prosecutors Engh: - How would you describe him in terms of contact with other children? Was he introvert or extrovert, or somewhere in between?

9:17 The witness: - Right in between.

9:17 Prosecutors Engh: - Did you get some idea of ??whether he fit into the class?

9:17 The witness: - He do not separate, at least.

9:18 Engh prosecutor reads out from the police explanation, and ask if the description fits.

9:19 The witness confirmed that the votes.

9:19 Prosecutors Engh ask whether the time in middle school: - How was contact then?

9:20 Prosecutors Engh: - Continued you to be good friends?

9:20 The witness says that they started at secondary school classes in parallel. At one point separated the teams and made friends on each side.

9:20 The witness: - At school, we were not much together.

9:20 Engh prosecutor goes on to recite the witness statement to the police about this time.

9:21 The witness is unsure whether he would call the defendant a good friend at school.

9:21 Prosecutors Engh: - The close contact have colored a little. Did you get an impression of how he fared at school?

9:22 The witness has the impression that the defendant had good grades and was good at school.

9:22 Prosecutors Engh: - What were you doing in your spare time?

9:22 The witness: - It was the same it was in, played some volleyball and basketball. And then there was the beginning of what is called party time.

9:22 Prosecutors Engh: - Did that you attached together at this time?

9:23 The witness does not remember anything special about it.

9:23 Prosecutors Engh: - The defendant began tagging at this time. Do you remember how old he was when?

9:23 The witness: - It is true that he tagged. It began around 7 grade. He was very dedicated to this business of tagging, and he had a gang as he went along with.

9:24 Prosecutors Engh: - How did the surroundings of this?

9:24 Witness: - I do not remember the time that there was a lot of trouble. I remember saying that we were stopped by the police once after being tagged.

9:25 The witness: - The colored it by about 9 class, I think.

9:25 Prosecutors Engh: - Do you know why it colored it off?

9:25 The witness: - We grew well just from that.

9:25 Prosecutors Engh: - You went to the same high school?

9:26 The witness said that they found the note left at the end of 9 class and began at the same high school.

9:26 The defendant left school after 1 class and started another school.

9:26 Prosecutors Engh: - Why did he do?

9:26 Prosecutors Engh: - Was he interested in business at this time?

9:27 The witness says Breivik sought an education in the more economical direction.

9:27 Prosecutors Engh: - How did you experience his maturity in relation to age?

9:27 Witness: - I have not thought about. I have felt that we were basically on the same line, but in the 3rd gym, he was very keen to make money and work.

9:27 Prosecutors Engh: - you were much together during this time?

9:28 Prosecutors Engh: - What were you concerned at this time?

9:28 The witness believes to remember that they were frequently together at that time. It began to be more partying, they got to know more people and more communities.

9:28 Prosecutors Engh: - Continued you to have the same contact, although he changed schools?

9:29 The witness: - We are still in the same group of friends. If we do not see each other as often, we met on weekends and at parties and such.

9:30 The witness tells of a group of friends who were in high school.

9:30 Prosecutors Engh: - Were you as much gang together in high school?

9:30 Breivik began in Oslo Handel, having joined the general.

9:31 Witness: - I do not remember why he joined the Oslo Handel, but he wanted to work and earn money.

9:31 Prosecutors Engh: - Spoken the accused with you about this?

9:31 Witness: - I advised him to continue school.

9:32 Prosecutors Engh: - Was he the first who began to work with telemarketing?

9:32 The witness: - Breivik was the first who started it.

9:33 The witness: - There was a change in work there for Anders. First he worked as a salesman, such as support, and as a kind of team leader.

9:33 Prosecutors Engh: - So he advanced?

9:33 The witness: - You can say it. He was responsible for perhaps ten people as a team leader.

9:33 Prosecutors Engh: - Did you get an impression of how he worked in the job?

9:34 Witness: - I have always seen him as diligently.

9:34 Prosecutors Engh: - Was it a kind of outreach work?

9:34 The witness: - It was primarily that he supported us if we had problems with customers, and delegated tasks.

9:34 Prosecutors Engh: - How do you think it worked?

9:34 Witness: - I was not particularly under him, but it seemed like it went well.

9:35 Prosecutors Engh: - Can you tell us about the period after high school? Was it the same connector?

9:35 The witness: - We continued to keep friends. I moved into a shared housing with a friend while others from the gang moved in together in another group.

9:36 The witness still had contact with the others from friends.

9:36 Prosecutors Engh: - Was there a lot that happened in the collective?

9:37 The witness: - All were in regular employment, so it was not the same as before. But it was a natural focal point, whether we were going out or watching a movie or play a game.

9:37 The witness moved overseas in 2003.

9:38 Prosecutors Engh: - Can you summarize how the defendant was that person? Who was he?

9:38 Witness: - I have thought that that question comes. I think it is very difficult to describe him.

9:39 Witness: - I regard him as quite savvy and smart. For me he has always been good.

9:39 The witness: - He has been kind to me.

9:39 Prosecutors Engh: - Did you like being with him?

9:39 Witness: - I liked being with him.

9:40 The witness: - If we did not like to be with him, we would not be with him.

9:40 Prosecutors Engh: - Why, he operated his nose?

9:40 The witness: - He has been concerned about the appearance. How he has dressed himself, he operated the nose. I think he has said he would have a more Aryan nose.

9:40 The witness: - It was when he was around 18 years.

9:41 Prosecutors Engh: - Was it with the nose a theme?

9:41 The witness: - We thought it was a bit silly that he operated on his nose. There he was told.

9:41 The witness: - He had self-irony, that he could stand to be chopped a bit.

9:41 Prosecutors Engh: - Were there other ways he was concerned about the appearance of?

9:41 Witness: - I remember that he used powder, and it seemed I was strange. The hair was also very concerned about.

9:42 Prosecutors Engh: - Divorced himself out, or there were several others who were a bit pretentious?

9:42 Others were also concerned about the appearance, but not as much as the defendant.

9:43 The prosecutor asks the witness Engh described the accused as a person.

9:43 The witness: - He was social and was part of the gang. He contributed to the friendship. He was more concerned with making money and being targeted against it.

9:43 Prosecutors Engh: - Did he like being out in public? How was he in contact with the environment, he picked a noise or the opposite?

9:44 The witness: - No, he did not. I felt that he was very tolerant and never picked a racket.

9:44 Prosecutors Engh: - Did you know that he was different at any time?

9:45 The witness: - He has been a bit special. He has had some ... It's hard to put my finger on it. It's about clothes, for example. He could have sunglasses on at night because he had decided that it was cool.

9:46 He had some special ways to do common things in the motor. For example, when he was playing billiards, he held the line in a special way.

9:46 Prosecutors Engh quote from the interview in which the witness describes the defendant as an outsider.

9:46 Prosecutors Engh: - What was his relationship to violence?

9:47 The witness: - He was not violent. I can not remember that it was voldespisoder around him.

9:47 Witness: - I remember it was told that he had argued with the principal at school and that he had given him a punch in the stomach. I have not seen it myself. It came as a surprise.

9:48 The witness: - We had a tussle on the 8th class, like all boys have. But nothing beyond that.

9:48 Prosecutors Engh ask more about the episode with the principal.

9:48 The witness does not remember the occasion for the episode with the principal.

9:48 Prosecutors Engh entering the defendant's manifesto, in which the defendant describes some violent episodes.

9:49 The witness explained that he has read through it, right after the incident.

9:49 Prosecutors Engh reading from the manifesto: - When he was 18, he was attacked by a gang of Pakistanis. The nose was broken, and that was why he operated nose.

9:50 Witness: - I can not remember the incident.

9:50 Prosecutors Engh continues with another episode, which will also have involved the witness.

9:50 The witness can not remember any more episodes Breivik says the manifesto.

9:51 Witness: - I can not remember Breivik were negatively to immigrants.

9:51 Prosecutors Engh: - Can you remember any racist remarks?

9:51 - Nothing comes to mind.

9:52 Engh prosecutor asks the witness about the time he was abroad, and how often he was home.

9:52 The witness said he was at home almost once a year after he moved overseas in 2003.

9:52 Prosecutors Engh: - Do you remember anything about where the defendant lived when you lived in a period in Norway?

9:53 The witness says he lived in Tiedemann street in 2005.

9:53 The witness: - He was very focused on their work then. He was a good start with a concept which he devoted much time to. It was the so-called Diploma Services.

9:54 Engh prosecutor reads out from the hearing where the witness says that he believes the accused themselves more isolated during this time.

9:54 The witness: - There may vote that he was difficult to make contact with when he lived in Tiedemann street. He was proud to have moved by themselves.

9:55 Prosecutors Engh: - After this stay did you move to Sweden. How often were you home then?

9:55 The witness says Breivik was difficult to make contact with the end of the period of Tiedemann street.

9:55 The witness: - It was not often. I can not remember.

9:56 Prosecutors Engh: - Did you have much contact with the defendant in the period 2005-2008?

9:56 Prosecutors Engh: - Had the other some thoughts about why he was like that?

9:57 The witness: - When we had no contact. When I moved and came home to visit, I wondered what had become of Anders. Then I was told that the friends had not had contact with him for over a year. They had also called on the mother to make contact, without success.

9:57 Witness: - I heard that he was playing World of Warcraft. He turned back the clock and did not come out.

9:57 In 2008, the witness moved back home.

9:57 Prosecutors Engh: - In April 2008, did you move home. Was the other in Norway then?

9:58 Witness: - I think I met him not long after I got home.

9:59 Prosecutors Engh: - Do you remember anything about further contact you had with him?

9:59 The witness: - It was still very little contact with Anders after 2008. We met just once in a while. It was very rare in 2008-2009.

9:59 Prosecutors Engh: - How was he? Just as social and sociable?

10:00 The witness: - He was, but it did not seem like he really wanted to be with. I heard that he wrote the book. We knew what it was to deal with. Everyone was very inquisitive to this.

10:00 Prosecutors Engh: - What did you heard about the book he wrote about?

10:01 Prosecutors Engh: - How did you notice that he did not want to be with you?

10:01 Witness: - I had heard that there was a collection of works of anti Islamic content. I did not know where this came from and why he spent time on this.

10:01 The witness: - He did well not to answer the questions we came up with.

10:01 Prosecutors Engh: - Did you notice whether he had changed?

10:02 The witness: - He was a bit quieter. I remember he had shiny hair, which he was so proud of. He showed signs of having been in quite some time. He was paler and less cared for.

10:03 Witness: - I remember that the hair was gone, I reacted immediately. He had been doing hair for so long. He looked a bit tired, maybe.

10:03 Prosecutors Engh: - How did you like in this bunch, in his isolation?

10:03 The witness: - It was something we discussed frequently. We reacted to it very. We felt that it was not normal. We did not know where it came from.

10:04 The witness: - insulation happened while I was gone. I reacted very much that he moved home to his mother.

10:04 Prosecutors Engh: - How many times have you met him in 2008 and 2011?

10:04 The witness: - maybe 10-12 times.

10:05 Prosecutors Engh: - Was he concerned about many different things during this period?

10:05 The witness: - We met him so often. I can not remember that I met him alone. It was usual small talk, family, friends and things that have happened.

10:06 The witness says Breivik in 2010 had fixed up again, trained and organized hair and beard.

10:06 Prosecutors Engh: - Was there a change around 2010?

10:07 The witness feels that in 2010, Breivik back to the "old" Anders. It felt as if he thought it was nice to be with the others.

10:07 Prosecutors Engh: - How was he?

10:07 The witness remembers Breivik took the initiative to grilling. He noticed nothing unusual.

10:08 Then there was talk that Breivik were moving to Rena.

10:08 Prosecutors Engh: - What did you think that he should move to Rena?

10:08 The witness: - In many ways I thought it was good. We would try to get him out of the home. Be social, move and see the sun.

10:09 The witness: - He is not very practical kind. But he usually get to what he wants. When he has set a goal, he works very hard to achieve it.

10:09 The witness searched on Wikipedia for sugar beet, which Breivik told he would serve at Rena.

10:09 - It seemed plausible. I thought that Tommy had found a new way to make money.

10:10 Prosecutors Engh: - Did you know anything of his political activity?

10:10 The witness: - That I was familiar with. But I was never really much interested in politics itself. I know he was in the FRP and FpU and was interested in politics.

10:11 Prosecutors Engh: - Did you get the impression he was a mainstream Progress Party is?

10:11 Witness - I saw him not as extreme.

10:11 Witness: - I very rarely discussed politics with him.

10:12 Engh prosecutor reads out from the interview: - The witness was aware of the right-wing thought, it was talked about everyday things when they met. Did you hear discussions about politics while he was present?

10:13 Witness: - I have heard him discuss.

10:13 Prosecutors Engh: Did he have girlfriends?

10:14 Witness: - I do not remember very well, but I remember he had a girlfriend, I think it was in high school. And I mean it was someone he was dating around 2002-2003.

10:14 Witness: - I remember he had met a girl online that came and hit him. I think she came from Belarus.

10:15 Prosecutors Engh: - Did you get any impression of his relationship with his mother?

10:15 Witness: - I have gone in and out of the apartment for many years, and I have a feeling that he has had a good relationship with the mother.

10:16 Witness: - I got the impression that he remained almost entirely in his bedroom after he moved back to his mother.

10:16 Prosecutors Engh: - His sister then?

10:16 Witness: - I have not much knowledge of it. I know he visited her in the United States.

10:16 Prosecutors Engh: - Did you see if he was active on Facebook?

10:17 Witness - I saw that there was activity on Facebook, because I was friends with him on Facebook.

10:17 This is in 2009-2010.

10:17 - I responded that he had many friends. Around 3000.

10:17 The witness: - There was no one I knew.

10:18 Prosecutors Engh: - Was it discussed the politics there?

10:18 Witness - I did not read as much of the posts, but there was a lady who had written that he was a good contribution to the Aryan race. There I reacted and told about. Anders was embarrassed and had removed it.

10:19 Prosecutors Engh: - Did you get the impression of these friends was someone he met?

10:19 Witness: - I got the feeling that this was based.

10:19 Prosecutors Holden: - What are his qualities as a sportsman?

10:19 Witness: - I do not feel that he was something bad. Average plus.

10:21 Defender Geir Lippestad: - When did the right-wing ideas?

10:21 Lippestad: - Can you remember your first time to react to statements that went beyond the Norwegian political landscape?

10:22 The witness: - What strikes me, as I know that he author a book of anti-Islamic writings.

10:23 Lippestad ask further about nose surgery to Breivik: - When you hear the word Aryan, what do you do?

10:23 Witness - I seem to remember that he said he wanted a more Aryan nose. I think the white man, what can I say.

10:23 The witness: - You may be able to interpret the right-wing and against Hitler's thinking, but it was not how I thought about it then. It was just that he did not want a broken nose.

10:24 Lippestad: - Can you remember if he was around 18 years old said something that you can bounce a little more than, in retrospect?

10:24 Witness: - I can remember that he had good knowledge of the Koran's content. When we took a taxi home, he could discuss the Koran with the taxi driver. When we were 18-20 years old.

10:25 Lippestad: - How wonderful these discussions is that you remember?

10:25 Lippestad: - Could he say anything about the Koran?

10:25 Witness - I did not react that it was done in a rude manner. He asked, for example, where the driver came from, and so it continued. He never asked for a rough manner.

10:26 The witness: - He was very talented, he could be a lot about a lot and I bet I do not particularly noteworthy in that he knew much about the Koran.

10:26 Prosecutors Engh said that Breivik operated nose in 1999, when he was 20 years old.

10:27 Lippestad: - Can you say more about him in 2010?

10:27 The witness: - He was more like he was before, more concerned with appearance and we met him often.

10:27 The witness: - He was dressed in his own style, which he had before he isolated himself.

10:28 Lippestad: - He let his hair grow out again?

10:28 The witness: - Yes, he cut his hair and trimmed beard.

10:28 Lippestad: - When was the barbecue party in 2011?

10:29 Witness: - I think it was in April 2011. I saw him again before the terrorist attack, after he had moved to Rena. I met him accidentally at the store. It was a short meeting.

10:29 Lippestad: - How he behaved on the barbecue party?

10:30 Witness - I talked to him. I felt that he was part of the company. We were a bunch of people, and the conversation went around the table. He was carrying an electric grill at home.

10:30 Witness - I saw intentions things that I felt was abnormal.

10:30 Lippestad: - Did anyone approached you and said something about Breivik?

10:30 The witness: - Not that I can remember.

10:31 Lippestad: - In 2008 you had little contact. Did you do anything yourself to make contact with him?

10:32 Witness: - I do not remember. I think the rest of the group of friends had made their attempt, and we agreed to give up.

10:32 Lippestad: - You said he took up training again. Can you say more about that?

10:33 The witness: - It is true that he trained. He started at a gym. I also trained at the same time, and he told me that he had begun. I thought that was awesome.

10:33 The witness: - Later I joined the gym. We met a few times randomly in training.

10:34 Lippestad: - Did he say anything about why he started again?

10:34 The witness: - He said he had put on some weight and get back in shape.

10:35 Lippestad Breivik said that to comment on witness testimony. Judge Arntzen said the comment can be given by Breivik at the end of the day.

10:36 Lawyer Larsen - Had Breivik some "ticks"? And what with smiles and laughter?

10:36 The witness has not noticed that Breivik had some "ticks".

10:37 Lawyer Larsen: - You saw that you met him after the barbecue party. How was he?

10:37 The witness: - It was not just before the event. It must have been in April, a few days after the barbecue party. Then I realized that he was a bit stressed in siutasjonen that he was late.

10:37 Lawyer Larsen: - Have you reflected if he had any health problems?

10:38 The witness has never registered any health problems for the defendants.

10:38 Judge Lyng: - Have you registered changes in his behavior when he drinks alcohol?

10:39 The witness: - Nothing special. No changes I react to.

10:39 Judge Lyng: - Have you had political discussions?

10:39 The witness: - It is possible it has been up, but I have not engaged me in it. I can not say no, but it has probably happened when we were more together.

10:39 Judge Lyng: - Can you remember whether the defendant has had views that you have responded?

10:40 Witness: - I have responded to the book writing, but we have not sat and discussed the content. I dismissed it because I'm not interested.

10:40 Judge Lyng: - Can you shed light on the defendant has said about the distinction between Oslo east and west?

10:41 The witness: - It is the distinction that is jokingly, that the west is a little finer than the east. East is more working class, to the west is more business. The defendant has always belonged to the west. He was not more concerned about this than others.

10:42 The court pauses to watch 11

10:55 Next witness is also a friend of the defendant. He was supposed to start his story at 10 The court, in other words an hour late.

11:02 The negotiations continue.

11:02 Next witness recalled.

11:02 The witness will be asked to provide personal information.

11:03 The witness is 33 years old. He has known the accused since 1995.

11:04 Prosecutors Holden: - Tell us how you became aware of Breivik.

11:04 Witness: - I got to know Breivik in 1995, at the very end of the school, when we started in high school.

11:04 Holden: - How has the relationship been from 95 and until the summer of 2011?

11:05 The witness: - We have been a part of the same the boys, and lived in the same communities. We have had a regular contact.

11:05 Holden: - If I ask you to describe Breivik as a person, what would you say then?

11:05 The witness: - He is industrious, meticulous, focused, and maybe a little self-centered.

11:05 Holden: - Operation, what do you mean?

11:06 The witness: - He spends all his time and energy to solve problems, and then it may not have much time to another. He is concerned about appearance and how he behaves.

11:06 Holden: - Tell us about self-centering process.

11:06 The witness: - He has a focus on themselves and their.

11:07 Holden: - Have these properties been present all the time?

11:07 The witness: - There are properties that have been present all along, as long as I have known him.

11:08 Holden refers from the police interrogation of the witness where the witness says Breivik is very keen to make money.

11:08 The witness: - From the early, he has been very keen to make money. He earned his first money as he did with newspapers.

11:09 The witness: - He has been keen to start businesses.

11:09 Holden: - You were friends mid 90's. Breivik move into shared accommodation with you. How would you describe your period?

11:10 The witness: - There was a period when we were in adolescence, Anders was keen to train and do well in school. He had stopped to tag, and spent time at school.

11:10 Witness: - I think it was strange that he broke the high school, and then he began to work.

11:11 Holden: - When you worked together?

11:11 The witness: - It was in 1997-2002.

11:11 Holden: - What impression did you get the Breivik for work?

11:12 The witness: - Obediently, fully focused on the tasks.

11:12 The witness: - It was not friendly when we worked together, he was the leader.

11:12 Holden: - How so other colleagues on him?

11:12 The witness: - He was a social person, who had a greater contact with colleagues.

11:13 Holden: - Used his time with these people outside of work hours?

11:13 Witness: - I do not remember. I would think that he gained knowledge to others.

11:14 Holden: - In 2001, Breivik moved into shared housing with you. This lasted until 2003. How was this period?

11:14 The witness: - There was a shared housing where we had our daily chores. Anders joined as an employee, and started their own businesses. He did more for themselves.

11:15 The witness: - He started playing games at the time, was up at night.

11:15 Holden: - What kind of game was what he was doing?

11:15 The witness: - It's called World of Warcraft, and playing online. I know little about it.

11:15 Holden: - he played at night?

11:16 The witness: - That I mean to remember.

11:16 Holden: - How did living quarters of his rhythm?

11:16 Witness: - I thought he could use his life for something else. It went beyond the circadian rhythm.

11:17 Holden: - There was progressively less contact between you. How was it?

11:17 The witness: - We did not work together anymore, gradually became less contact. He moved out for themselves.

11:17 Holden: - Who are you talking about when describing less contact?

11:18 The witness: - Comrade gang. Anders had a focus on their businesses, and continued to play.

11:18 Holden: - How Breivik lived life in Tiedemann's Gate?

11:18 The witness: - It was a bachelor apartment. Much frozen foods. He had two computers that took up much space.

11:19 WITNESS: He was keen to play games and other activities, even when he visits.

11:19 Holden: - you confronted him about it?

11:20 The witness: - Yes, he was constantly hearing.

11:20 Holden: - How did he react to this?

11:20 The witness: - Sometimes, he joined us out.

11:20 Holden: - He moves back to his mother in 2006. What did you think when you heard about it?

11:21 Witness: - I thought he had gone into a deep depression or become homosexual.

11:21 Holden: - You had two hypotheses. If we take the depression first: did you confirm or disprove it?

11:21 The witness: - It was difficult. We had no contact.

11:22 The witness: - The mother opened the door when we visited him, we did not get in touch with Anders. We thought he had gone on a bang.

11:22 Holden: - Did you talk anything to him about this?

11:23 Witness: - I did, but you did not get any sense out of it. He was very elusive.

11:23 Holden: - Homosexuality as you can for you as an option. What happened to the mind?

11:23 The witness: - They were both denied, I was not sure.

11:24 Witness: - I thought, and so did the others, that it was not so.

11:24 Holden: - Did you attempt to get information?

11:24 The witness: - We wanted to help him, and connect with him.

11:24 The witness: - When we got him out, it was positive. We made determined efforts.

11:25 The witness: - It was very difficult.

11:25 Holden: - Describe the incident on his birthday.

11:25 The witness: - When he was 30, we had not heard from him for a long time. His best friend did not get a hold of him and we rang the bell.

11:26 The witness: - The mother opened the door, was a bit surprised. She said that although it was his birthday, he would have no contact.

11:26 Holden: - How did you on that?

11:26 The witness: - It was very special. We wished him the best.

11:27 Witness: - I have never experienced the like that someone has broken contact in a similar manner, and will not either.

11:27 Holden: - Is there any development until summer 2011 on this area?

11:27 The witness: - Suddenly, there was contact, but it was still rare.

11:28 Holden: - During this period, from about 2008 until the summer of 2011. What kind of contact there was between you?

11:28 The witness: - We have not had any contact by e-mail. SMS was very little of. We used to be called.

11:29 Holden: - Did you continued attempts to contact?

11:29 The witness: - You tried, but it felt like a rejection. Anders did not want contact. As one gives up.

11:29 Holden: - The times you made contact with him, how was it?

11:30 The witness: - There is a big question mark there, we wondered why, but I was not too confrontational. I perceived it as if he had lost a little spark of life.

11:30 Holden: - If we approach the 22 July last year: if you had any contact with Breivik in 2011?

11:31 Witness: - I had contact with him a month before the 22/7. And we were well out and ate at the restaurant during the winter.

11:31 Holden: - How was Breivik the day one month before the attack?

11:32 The witness: - It is hard to remember exactly, he was probably keen to talk about politics. That's what it went in. I chose to not listen so closely. It was a bit tiring.

11:32 Holden: - You talked about a hit earlier in the year. Tell me more about it.

11:33 The witness: - We went out and ate, we had several, and Anders wanted to be with.

11:33 Witness - I especially remember one thing: I asked him if he wanted a beer, but he could not, because he said he went to anabolic steroids.

11:34 The witness: - It was a very unusual thing to say, it was intended alors? I could not figure it out.

11:34 Holden: - Breivik moved to a farm. How did you react to that?

11:34 Witness: - I think also it was strange. He has had a tendency to not be like everyone else.

11:35 Testified that Breivik moved to Rena: - Now, he might out of the depression again, and would begin to make money.

11:36 Holden: - Did you have plans to visit him on the farm?

11:36 Witness: - I visited him on the farm, he had no time.

11:37 The witness confirmed that he and some others had planned to visit Breivik weeks after 22/7.

11:37 Holden asks if the reason for the reduced contact between Breivik and testified.

11:38 The witness: - The gameplay was very extensive. He did not hide it either.

11:38 Holden: - Do you know if he had periods of interruption?

11:38 The witness: - No, he played steadily since we lived together.

11:38 Holden: - We have heard about a book, the compendium. How did you hear that?

11:39 The witness: - There I became acquainted when he told me about it. He did not say much more. I think it was very strange, and thought he had good conditions to run with it.

11:39 The witness: - It could have been in 2008.

11:40 Holden: - Was Breivik concerned about this book of conversations with you?

11:40 The witness: - If it was not the book he was talking about, it went into politics.

11:40 The witness: - Immigration.

11:40 Holden: - You mentioned the word life-spark. Tell me more about that.

11:41 The witness: - From having a hope or faith in something, to lose hope or belief that one can do it you will. He was voted down. Not as exuberant, he wanted to limit their contact with us.

11:42 Holden: - Does that mean he was bubbling at an earlier date?

11:42 The witness: - Yes, to some extent.

11:43 Holden: - How did it to express that he was not as bubbly?

11:43 The witness: - He smiled less, were more severe. Was concerned about immigration policy. Would not be as much social.

11:43 Holden: - You have described the development of his personality. Can you pinpoint what you have now told?

11:44 The witness: - It was clearly noticeable after we made contact again after 2007.

11:44 Holden asks the witness to tell the Breivik and politics.

11:45 Witness: - I have not seen him that interested in politics, with the exception of immigration policy. There was a gradual development. When we met, he was not interested in politics.

11:45 The witness: - In 2006, he was extremely passionate about it.

11:45 Holden: - Breivik had a period of a political party in the early 2000s. How did you experience that period?

11:46 The witness: - Anders seemed more interested in the social surrounding a young party.

11:46 Witness: - I can not remember him as very interested politics, although he was a member of the FPU.

11:47 Holden: - He eventually abandoned the political business. Did you ever know why it was so?

11:47 Witness: - I have never received any explanation for it.

11:47 Holden: - After 2006, this was more extreme. What do you mean by that?

11:47 The witness: - It was not possible to talk to him unless he came into politics.

11:48 The witness: - The focus was on immigration in Europe, and it overshadowed other things that we were concerned.

11:48 Holden: - What about content? How would you describe it?

11:49 The witness: - Far out on the right, not necessarily extreme in the way he performed it.

11:49 The witness: - Islam, which threatened the European common values.

11:49 Holden: - The term multiculturalists: have you heard that before?

11:49 The witness: - No, it was a new word for me.

11:50 Holden: - It is true that there is a constructed word. What I am looking for is whether there was a word often used Breivik?

11:50 The witness: - He used that word all the time. The entire political Norway was put in the same stall.

11:51 Holden: - How responded to his statement?

11:51 Witness: - I think it was difficult to get any sense out of it, I chose not to go so very into it. He was angry, very angry.

11:51 Holden: - How was it expressed?

11:52 The witness: - He could be angry, he could not handle that there were other points of view.

11:52 Arntzen: - When he began to use these expressions?

11:52 The witness: - It was after he had moved home to his mother.

11:53 Holden says he has two short themes again.

11:53 The first theme is Liberia. Breivik went there in 2002. Holden wonders if the witness was familiar with the trip.

11:53 The witness: - No, I got the first to know about Liberia trip a few years after he had been there.

11:53 Holden: - What were you told?

11:54 The witness: - He had been there to deal with blood diamonds. It had not gone well. He said it was an experience that was worth it, but that there was no trade.

11:54 Holden: - Do you know if this had cost him money?

11:54 The witness: - It was never mentioned that he had previously paid money.

11:55 Witness: - I've heard that he paid cash.

11:55 Holden: - In conclusion: Breivik has even written about what he calls a radicalization. The first word is nasal surgery. What do you know about it?

11:56 Witness: - I remember that he was keen to reduce the size of the nasal bone, out of sheer vanity.

11:56 Holden: - He was operated on 24 February 1999. Why do you say that it was forfengelighetsgrunner?

11:56 The witness: - He was very concerned with appearance, and was very clear on that. He did not hide that he was an Arab nose.

11:56 Holden: - In court and in the manifesto, he suggested that the operation was a necessary consequence of a fight where he broke his nose?

11:57 Witness: - I can not remember.

11:57 Holden: - In 2000, Breivik and a fellow gang have been on the Bohemians, where a Pakistani allegedly tried to rob him?

11:57 Witness: - I can not remember it, have not witnessed it.

11:58 Holden asks about another incident in which four Albanian Muslims allegedly tried to rob him.

11:58 The witness: - No, I can not remember it.

11:58 Holden: - If this really happened, had you expected to hear about it?

11:58 Witness: - I think I would have remembered it.

11:59 Holden: - In 2006, he moved home to mother and lived there until the spring of 2011. Did you get any idea of ??how he and his mother worked socially?

12:00 The witness: - They had probably a more friendly relationship than normal, although it was unnatural.

12:00 The witness: - Anders was at times embarrassed that he lived there.

12:00 Holden: - The previous witness said Breivik not had much contact with her mother on a daily basis?

12:01 The witness: - That's what he's been told by Anders. The mother has made a different version when we have talked.

12:01 Holden: - What did she know that he has not had much contact with you?

12:01 The witness: - She has not commented.

12:01 Holden: - What did she know Breivik's activity on the internet with games?

12:01 The witness: - It did not seem like it was something she wanted him to pursue.

12:01 Holden finished with their questions.

12:02 Defender Lippestad have any questions.

12:02 Lippestad: - The first time you noticed that Breivik had the vision he had on Muslims: Can you remember any episodes you reacted to that Muslims would be a problem?

12:03 The witness: - He was the FPU member early, and when it was mostly focused on immigration policy.

12:03 The witness: - He performed his views on it, I was not very interested in discussing it with him.

12:04 Lippestad: - You mentioned that with nose surgery and that he called the Arab nose. The previous witness said that he wanted a more Aryan nose. How do you interpret this?

12:04 Witness - I interpreted it as mere vanity, that he would embellish the appearance.

12:04 Lippestad: - there was nothing political in what he called the nose?

12:04 The witness: - No, not the way I understood it then, nor today.

12:04 Lippestad: - Those interested in him for the Qur'an?

12:05 The witness: - No, but he was aware that it is not just a sacred text, but it is much ideology there.

12:05 Lippestad: - Can you say when you had the conversation about the Koran?

12:05 The witness: - Perhaps it was after he moved home to her mother.

12:06 Lippestad: - You have been told that you interpreted it as a depression or something else that he moved home to his mother. Did you see any development up to 2011 in a positive direction?

12:06 The witness: - He was more quiet and more depressed. The most positive was that he was leaving home.

12:07 Lippestad: - The previous witness said that he felt that in 2010 Breivik was more like "his old self." Do you agree with that?

12:07 Witness: - Well, maybe. That he was concerned sent again.

12:07 The witness: - When we are in 2010.

12:08 Lippestad: - When you were at the cafe, had you any impression that he had problems with identity experience? Problems of separating me and we?

12:09 The witness: - No, but I do not remember specifically what he said. He was concerned that Europe was threatened. But I perceived it not as an identity crisis.

12:09 Lippestad: - The sight of herself? Did he tell him to solve problems or compared himself with other historical sizes?

12:09 The witness: - No.

12:09 Lippestad: - Was there anything in particular he was concerned? Was there anything strange in his behavior?

12:10 The witness: - No, it was not something that was striking. Nothing about the infection.

12:10 Lippestad get some questions from the back room.

12:10 Lippestad ask for games. - Do you have any idea what level he was on? Was he good?

12:10 The witness: - Now, I know nothing about this. But he told himself that he was at a very high level.

12:11 Lippestad: - Do you know if he has had some political leadership positions in FpU?

12:12 The witness: - No, but I remember that he should be on a list for a borough council. But if he had a job, I can not remember.

12:12 Lippestad: - Did you have the impression that Breivik earned money on your business?

12:12 The witness: - Anders was very scanty.

12:13 Witness: - I never got a clear answer on how much he earned, but got the impression that he earned good money.

12:13 The witness: - He had a total of two employees, in the end.

12:14 Lippestad asks whether the defendant's ability, his ability to relate to friends.

12:16 The witness: - Very little orientation in space time (he describes how on one occasion had great difficulty finding their way in connection with a café visits in 2011).

12:16 Lippestad: - Was there anything surprising? It described an almost complete loss of function. Was he dressed properly groomed hair? Was there anything special you reacted to?

12:17 The witness: - No, nothing special. He has always had trouble finding your way around.

12:17 Lawyer Hallgren asked about books. - He read literature at all?

12:17 Witness: - I can never remember it.

12:17 Hallgren: - His views on women, there was an issue between you?

12:18 The witness: - He could find to say all the political Norway was feminists.

12:18 Hallgren: - The fact of his sisters (Norwegian women) are raped by Muslim men. Has there been an issue?

12:18 The witness: - No.

12:19 Lawyer Larsen: - Told him about things he did as a child that you responded to?

12:19 Witness: - I was provoked by an incident, that he put mustard in the anus of a cat.

12:20 Larsen: - Was it like you thought then or is that how you think now? You used the word sadistic to the police.

12:20 The witness: - It is also conceivable.

12:20 Larsen: Do you know the defendant's mother?

12:20 Witness: - I do not know her, but we've met smye in the community. A nice lady, very social.

12:20 Larsen: - Have you responded to something about his mother?

12:21 Witness: - I have responded that she apparently thought it was okay that he lived at home.

12:21 Larsen: - Did you respond to something about his mother?

12:21 The witness: - No.

12:21 Larsen refers to a police interrogation in which the witness says that not everything the mother says, add up.

12:21 The witness: - She might be a little outspoken, spoke without weighing his words. Nothing more than that.

12:23 Larsen: - it's about innvndringsrelaterte questions?

12:23 The witness: - No, I do not recall that it was just that. But it can be imagined.

12:23 Lawyer Elgesem: - You used the word depression on Breivik withdrawal. Did you think about it then or later?

12:24 The witness: - It was something I was thinking back then. It was something we tried to talk to him, without being too confrontational.

12:24 Elgesem: - Thought it was so serious that he needed treatment?

12:24 The witness: - No, it was not something I thought I. But the more we talked about it, what had happened to him.

12:25 The witness: - It was the seemingly okay.

12:25 Elgesem: - How serious would you characterize the depression?

12:25 The witness: - We were concerned enough that we had to hear how he did it, but not enough that we contacted the health care system.

12:26 Tørrissen shows for cats episode. The witness has the same interrogation Breivik characterized as a freak and ask what he means by it.

12:27 The witness: - We have looked at it, he has held these views. In my opinion, it is aberrant. He dropped out of high school, right before graduation. There are also different.

12:27 The witness: - Also the extent of video games are different. But where is the norm is?

12:27 Tørrissen: - How to interact Breivik with the truth as you perceive it?

12:28 Tørrissen: - Can he lie or say things that make you wonder if it is really true?

12:28 The witness: - No, I never perceived that he is lying. He has not responded well almost, when you have questioned.

12:28 Tørrissen are finished with their questions.

12:29 Judge Lyng have any questions.

12:29 Heather: - After the defendant has moved home to his mother, thought that he was depressed or gay. Why were you thinking at that time that he might be gay?

12:29 The witness: - He was very vain, could be a bit feminine. Unlike a harsh manner.

12:30 The witness: - He also used the makeup, powder, and explained that he was a metrosexual.

12:31 The witness: - He noted that Beckham was at this time. And he has not had any long-term relationships with women.

12:31 Heather: - You got gradually more contact after a period with little contact. Was he interested in what you were doing?

12:32 The witness: - Not very much. But to a certain extent, as a courtesy phrase.

12:32 Heather: - Was he interested in your field?

12:32 The witness: - No.

12:32 Heather: - Did he tell you that he would have a special role in relation to what he was dissatisfied with the Norwegian or European society?

12:33 Heather: - Spoken with Breivik you about Freemasonry?

12:33 The witness: - Yes, he was very concerned Masonic lodge and the guest department. He said that he wanted to become a member there, and had to have sponsors.

12:33 Heather: - What was it that attracted him by Freemasons?

12:34 The witness: - No, he did not say anything about.

12:34 Lay judge Fynbos: - Breivik Expressed frustration over freedom of expression in Norway?

12:34 The witness: - He said that if you do not have the right political attitude, you will not talk in Norwegian media.

12:34 Fynbos: - Did he do something active?

12:35 The witness: - No.

12:35 Fynbos: - What is your perception of his relationship with justice?

12:35 The witness: - No, I do not.

12:35 Arntzen: - If you visit the defendant after 22 July?

12:36 The witness: - Yes, I do not remember if it was set a date. It was we who pushed to visit him.

12:36 Arntzen: - The trip to Liberia took place while you were living in public together. How did you on the absence?

12:37 The witness: - He would go away, but I can not remember if there was something special in that he would be away for a week.

12:37 Arntzen asked whether the depression. - Regained his good humor later?

12:38 The witness: - No, he was alvorstynget. When I met him, he had more bad days, but he could still shine to. It was small spark of life than before.

12:38 Arntzen asked whether the witness has no idea of ??Breivik's upbringing.

12:39 Witness: - I was at his home. It was neat conditions. He lived alone with her mother at the time, her sister had moved. Maybe he had some free rein.

12:39 Arntzen: - Were you present at the barbecue party in April 2011? What do you think the accused at the party?

12:39 The witness: - We did not talk so much together, I saw him as different than what I already said about him.

12:39 Arntzen is finished with their questions.

12:40 Prosecutors Holden read from an interview where it is shown that the planned visit to Rena was 26 July.

12:41 The court is adjourned and will take the lunch break at 13.30.

13:29 Next witness is a 32 year old friend of Breivik.

13:29 Three of Breivik's friends and ex-girlfriend explains in court today. At the end of the day will also Utøya-witness statement.

13:30 None of today's witnesses want to get their names exposed.

13:31 Breivik must follow your friends' explanation from an adjacent room. They did not want the accused is present when they talk about Breivik.

13:31 The court will continue the negotiations.

13:32 Next witness is ready in the hall 250

13:32 The man is 32 years old. He describes Breivik as one of his closest friends.

13:33 Prosecutors Holden: - When did you become acquainted with Breivik?

13:33 Witness: - It was on 2 step in high school in Oslo Handel, at 96-97.

13:33 Prosecutors Holden: - Can you elaborate on that you are one of his closest friends?

13:33 Witness: - That is correct. I must say intimate friend that you could rely on and seek help and support of.

13:34 Prosecutors Holden: - How would you describe Breivik as a person?

13:34 Witness: - I would describe him as open, honest and loyal. Actually quite a good mood, strong determination, a little weird opinions. Not quite A4, which he liked to say.

13:34 Prosecutors Holden: - Is the social an index?

13:34 Witness: - He was among the most social people I knew then.

13:34 Prosecutors Holden: - Stubbornness is a word to retrieve the interrogation ...

13:35 Witness: - He was very stubborn. If three other people think otherwise, he is standing their ground and claim that it is correct.

13:35 Prosecutors Holden: - How did his social qualities of expression?

13:35 Witness: - He had a large circle of friends that he made use of by different fetlige occasions.

13:36 Prosecutors Holden: - Tell me about him until he moves into Marie's gate.

13:37 Witness: - I 3 class, he decided that he would quit and start their own business. The ratings were lower. We tried to persuade him to continue, but he did not mean it meant so much since he was going to start their own business.

13:37 Prosecutors Holden: - How responded he was in their statement that he should continue?

13:37 Witness: - He was very stubborn.

13:37 Prosecutors Holden: - Did you work well with him?

13:37 The witness tells of Breivik's role in a company engaged in telemarketing. The witness also worked in the same company.

13:38 Prosecutors Holden: - How did he in this job?

13:38 The witness: - He was well liked, conscientious. He made their tasks properly.

13:38 Prosecutors Holden: - How did it to express that he was well liked by his colleagues?

13:38 The witness: - We had daily contact since we studied together and were much together in their spare time,

13:39 Prosecutors Holden: - Describe the Breivik after he moved.

13:39 The witness: - He was very focused on running your business. He ran the Diploma Services, where he made what he called the play diplomas, but everyone else saw as fake diplomas.

13:40 Prosecutors Holden: - Are there other things you remember from that time?

13:40 The witness: - What he did, he kept on with 110 percent. He had tunnel vision and did not much else. He became more withdrawn.

13:40 Prosecutors Holden: - Used his time on other things?

13:40 The witness: - There were more selective whom he would meet. The entourage also was used less.

13:40 Prosecutors Holden: - How often did you have contact with him during this period?

13:41 The witness: - It is a little less, we were more concerned on either side. But it was not small either.

13:41 Prosecutors Holden: - What about the games in this period?

13:41 The witness: - He stayed away from games, he concentrated on running his company. He looked at games like relaxation and to set aside a day to play now and then.

13:41 Prosecutors Holden: - What he played for anything? (When he lived in Maries street)

13:42 The witness: - A game called Planetarium he held on with. When World of Warcraft came, it was what he was hooked on.

13:42 Prosecutors Holden: - What time did he?

13:42 The witness: - He adapted a day and people living elsewhere in the world. He did some night gaming.

13:42 Prosecutors Holden: - Stocks, it was something he was interested?

13:43 The witness: - He had interest from high school. Followed with and learned the technical analysis. He tried to use it on the stock exchange. When he was 18-19 he attended a big bang and lost the whole sum.

13:43 Prosecutors Holden: - Was there an interest you had in common?

13:43 The witness: - you can say. I also tried a bit.

13:43 Prosecutors Holden: - How would you describe his stay in Tiedemann's Gate?

13:44 The witness: - It went a little like before. A little less contact. His focus was on business. He had two to three employees. He took time off some weekends.

13:44 Prosecutors Holden: - Can you say more about what you mean by less contact?

13:44 Witness: - I began to study elsewhere. From 2003 I was outside Oslo. It was not natural to go home every weekend.

13:44 Prosecutors Holden: - Did you get the impression if he still played on the internet?

13:45 Witness: - I had the impression that he played sporadically.

13:45 Prosecutors Holden: - In summer 2006 he moved back home. How did you hear that?

13:45 The witness: - He just told me that he had concluded that it was the most sensible to do financially. He had no income. He could move to her mother and living on savings.

13:46 Witness: - I told him it was a strange decision.

13:46 Prosecutors Holden: - What was his financial situation in the summer of 2006?

13:46 The witness: - From what he has told, he had a shareholding of between 700,000 and one million.

13:46 Prosecutors Holden: - It is true enough, the court will hear in the morning.

13:47 Prosecutors Holden: - Are you familiar with the company he invested in?

13:47 The witness: - He told me that it was a company he invested in and that he thought it was a takeover candidate. But it went down, and I advised him to get rid of it, but he was on his.

13:48 Prosecutors Holden: - We know that 14 December 2006, this share is suspended. In light of that, do you have any thoughts on that?

13:48 The witness: - No, no more than he lost. I can not remember exactly what.

13:48 Prosecutors Holden: - Gave him the impression that his fortune was lost?

13:49 The witness: - He did not express it directly. What he said in retrospect, was that he came out of it all break even.

13:49 Prosecutors Holden: - Breivik sold these shares for nearly 700,000.

13:50 Prosecutors Holden: - He moved home to mother. He gave no other reason for it?

13:50 The witness: - It is only my own suggestions. Maybe a little letdown or depression, but it is only just assumptions.

13:50 Prosecutors Holden: - What is the reason why you use the term depression?

13:50 The witness: - He began to isolate himself, and he was not the type who moved away. He was growing contact. In high school he would always have me with the things. When he moved back home, it was we who had to leave for him to get him involved in things.

13:51 Prosecutors Holden: - What did you think was the reason why it was so?

13:51 The witness: - set out from my eyes, he had not failed miserably, but he felt it might be so.

13:51 Prosecutors Holden: - What he used the time after he moved home?

13:51 The witness: - He said he would take a year off and spend the time to play, something he really enjoyed. World of Warcraft.

13:52 Prosecutors Holden: - Did you have contact with him during this period?

13:52 Witness: - I was more away than I was at home. I'd be able to hit him four or five times a year.

13:52 Prosecutors Holden: - How he came then?

13:52 The witness: - He was very focused on playing. Everything else was not so important to him.

13:53 Prosecutors Holden: - Did that you tried to contact him without success?

13:53 The witness: - If called, he was quick to call back. It was hopeless after he moved home.

13:53 - One time we came home on his door to get him out, but then we were dismissed. The mother denied us, he was busy and would not have visits.

13:53 Prosecutors Holden: - What did you think about this situation?

13:54 Witness: - I thought it was very special.

13:54 Prosecutors Holden: - Describe your contact from this point up to 2011.

13:54 The witness: - It must be that they met when I was home from work. Four to six times a year. A short period in 2011, around April, he took more contact.

13:55 The witness: - He started talking about him to start the farm.

13:55 Prosecutors Holden: - Until April 2011, he was to sleep?

13:55 The witness: - It was a project then and maybe a new project later. It was perhaps not the most ordinary.

13:55 Prosecutors Holden: - book project ...

13:56 The witness: - He started talking about this project after playing in one or one and a half years. Halfway into 2007, he said that he was making a compendium.

13:56 Prosecutors Holden: - What was the reason that he was making a compendium?

13:56 The witness: - He said he would create a compendium of mind Islamization of Europe. He was to collect works.

13:56 Prosecutors Holden: - What were you thinking when he told you that?

13:56 Witness: - I told him that it would be smarter to spend your time on more sensible things.

13:57 Prosecutors Holden: - How he took it back the message?

13:57 The witness: - He smiled and said it was important that he took on the task.

13:57 Prosecutors Holden: - What kind of exercise, it was he wearing?

13:57 The witness: - It was to inform people about the situation that existed.

13:57 Prosecutors Holden: - Did he say anything about why exactly he was suitable for it?

13:57 The witness: - It was never really talk about it. He was evasive when they tried to get a clear answer.

13:58 Prosecutors Holden: - How did it with this book, then?

13:58 Witness: - I asked if I could take a look to see what he used this time. He said we would get it for Christmas in 2010. So there was no book. Then began the stories that he would start a farm.

13:58 Prosecutors Holden: - Prior to Christmas 2010, the book had a theme before?

13:59 The witness: - It was natural for him to talk about it since it took up all his time.

13:59 Prosecutors Holden: - What he said about this?

13:59 The witness: - He did not say specifically what he wrote about just what it was about. He spent much time trying to collect fonts and do research.

13:59 Prosecutors Holden: - Did he say anything about what the result would be?

13:59 The witness: - No, we questioned whether the book would sell and if anyone would read it. The answers were evasive. He thought it was important.

14:00 Prosecutors Holden: - Can you tell us about the last time you had contact with him?

14:00 The witness: - What I remember was a barbecue where we gathered all the boys. It was in April.

14:00 The witness: - He was carrying an electric grill that looked like a spaceship.

14:00 The witness tells us where the party took place on a rooftop terrace.

14:01 Prosecutors Holden: - It was 30 april. Who was present?

14:01 The witness tells us who was present at the barbecue party.

14:01 Prosecutors Holden: - Who had taken the initiative to grilling?

14:01 Witness: - I can not remember completely. We had spent time in the day and found out together that we were going to barbecue.

14:01 Prosecutors Holden: - What can you say about Breivik from this day?

14:02 The witness: - He was no different than usual, but he focused on the book and Islamization.

14:02 Prosecutors Holden: - How did the others on that?

14:02 The witness: - We tried to change his focus on other things. He actually had a wide field of interest. We thought it was a bit narrow.

14:02 Prosecutors Holden: - Were you in bringing him into the other conversation topics?

14:02 The witness: - Yes, we got him to say he would put it aside. He took the hint.

14:03 Prosecutors Holden: - Is there anything else to note from this day?

14:03 The witness: - Nothing special, a little more withdrawn.

14:03 Prosecutors Holden: - Did you meet him after this?

14:03 Witness: - I think he was a visit to us and grilled. I do not remember the date.

14:03 The witness is unsure whether it was before or after the barbecue party.

14:04 Prosecutors Holden: - Is there something about his behavior that you think should be mentioned?

14:04 The witness: - Not really. His focus was on Islamic fication and demographic warfare, to take over through the birth rate and such things.

14:05 Prosecutors Holden: - Did anything in his personality development during these years you knew him?

14:05 The witness: - After having been more nuanced, he was more focused on individual topics. There were not many things happening simultaneously.

14:05 Prosecutors Holden: - You said he had not been different after he isolated himself. Did any change after 2006?

14:06 The witness: - It is natural to think when suddenly from being social to go a whole year without the need to talk to friends and acquaintances.

14:06 Prosecutors Holden: - He was more introverted?

14:06 The witness: - One can say that.

14:06 Prosecutors Holden read from the interrogation, that Breivik had a more gloomy outlook.

14:06 The witness: - It is the tunnel vision of his.

14:06 The fact that things go to hell.

14:07 Prosecutors Holden: - Try to place it in time.

14:07 The witness: - It is difficult to pinpoint. After a year he played. While he played, he seemed satisfied and happy as long as he lived to the games existence.

14:08 The witness: - When he began to focus on the book, he seemed more depressed or what words to use.

14:08 Prosecutors Holden: - How would you describe Breivik's relation to politics?

14:08 The witness: - Enthusiastic, strong opinions.

14:08 Prosecutors Holden: - How did you experience his membership in FPU?

14:09 Prosecutors Holden: - What about immigration?

14:09 The witness: - In relation to FpU I felt that he did it mostly for the social and test the political system.

14:09 The witness: - He chose to be FRP because they were most critical of immigration.

14:09 The witness: - Much was also DnE economic policy. That is what is closest to him when it comes to conducting business.

14:10 Prosecutors Holden: - Do you feel that he was concerned about immigration policy?

14:10 The witness: - No, not really. It was not what was the reason he joined.

14:10 Prosecutors Holden: - What about Islam? Was it something he was concerned?

14:11 The witness: - He was passionate about it. He could also be a part when I met him in high school, but he became more and more interested. He could quote from the Koran almost more than the Muslims themselves.

14:11 Prosecutors Holden: - This focus on the knowledge of Islam. Can you pinpoint it?

14:11 The witness: - It was in high school, 98 or 99

14:12 The witness: - He was aware that he had an opinion on immigration. He did not use the word islamifisering. It came well after it became a popular word in the political context.

14:12 Prosecutors Holden: - You used the word extreme?

14:12 The witness: - Yes, if that is what occupies your life, it is extreme.

14:13 Arntzen: - Did you have contact with him in 2006?

14:13 Witness: - I think we had it. It's hard to remember. Sometimes when I was at home in Oslo, we met each other.

14:14 Prosecutors Holden: - Were you aware of Breivik's expression of class A-and B-traitors?

14:14 The witness: - Yes, he mentioned something about it. But I gave up the idea and thought it was something he would write in his book. I did not understand the need for such a division.

14:14 Prosecutors Holden: - Provided some negative views to him about it?

14:15 Witness: - I said it was an extreme way of seeing things. He replied with a smile, there was no comment.

14:15 Prosecutors Holden: - Knights Templar is also something that has been talked about. Did you ever talk about it?

14:15 The witness: - He liked to tell the history. I thought it was more in connection with his medlte into the Masonic lodge that he was interested in it.

14:16 Prosecutors Holden: - He joined the Masonic lodge in 2006 ...

14:16 The witness: - Yes, he talked about it, but it's not like I can put my finger on what it means.

14:16 Prosecutors Holden: - Do you remember what he said about the Knights Templar?

14:17 Prosecutors Holden asks Breivik Liberiatur in 2002: - Tell us everything you know about the trip?

14:17 The witness: - What was then, was that he had come in contact with two people who could love him to get blood diamonds, as he called it.

14:17 - He organized this trip, exchanged money and bought a set for estimating the quality of the diamonds. He read up on it.

14:18 - The idea was to get the diamonds and sell it in Europe.

14:18 Prosecutors Holden: - What happened next?

14:18 The witness: - He went down. First he wrote a avksjedsbrev a la what soldiers do when they are in combat. He handed it to me in case he did not come safely home.

14:18 Prosecutors Holden: - What was in that letter?

14:19 Witness: - I would not read it, but took a look. He explained why he went to his mother and that he loved his family. They should not feel sorry for him.

14:19 Prosecutors Holden: - What happened after this?

14:19 The witness: - He met with two local, but did not achieve what he wanted. It was more like a holiday. They attached.

14:20 The witness: - He returned home without any diamonds.

14:20 Prosecutors Holden: - When he got home, what happened then?

14:20 The witness: - There was nothing more than that he was disappointed in his trip.

14:21 The witness: - Those in Liberia nagged at him, he said. From that he had lost his money, he had no confidence in them. They sent e-mails.

14:21 Prosecutors Holden: - Did you see any of the emails?

14:21 Witness: - I have seen one, but not read through.

14:21 Prosecutors Holden: - He left the thought of easy money with blood diamonds?

14:21 The witness: - He knocked it down. He said it was not as easy as he thought.

14:22 Prosecutors Holden: - In June there is money from Breivik a Liberian citizen. Did you know that?

14:22 The witness: - There was no way he portrayed it. He said he took the cash. I thought he had the cash to do business that way.

14:23 Prosecutors Holden: - A little over a month after he returned, he put money into an account for this liberia shoulder.

14:23 The witness: - There is new for me. He told me that he had turned the idea down.

14:23 Prosecutors Holden: - Were you involved in this in any way?

14:24 Witness - I also sent to approximately 10,000 as a silent partner.

14:24 Prosecutors Holden: - This is the after Breivik has been in Liberia?

14:25 The witness: - There are things beyond what I know. He told me that it was a closed chapter.

14:26 Prosecutors Holden: - The contribution of 10,000 as a silent partner was therefore agreed before he left.

14:26 Prosecutors Holden: - Breivik has said he would meet a Serbian war hero, and that it would transfer money to a training camp?

14:26 Witness: - I have never heard anyone talk about a war hero or training camp.

14:27 Prosecutors Holden: - Breivik's nose job, what are you familiar with in that regard?

14:27 The witness: - It was vanity that made him do it. According to him it was a friend who teased him that he had Arab nose.

14:27 Prosecutors say Holden manifesto claims that a fight was in front of the line.

14:28 Witness: - I can not confirm.

14:28 Prosecutors Holden points to an incident mentioned in the manifesto, in which the witness should also have been present.

14:29 Witness: - I can not remember the specific situation, no.

14:29 Prosecutors Holden: - It is also described an incident from the Bohemians, where he allegedly attempted robbery?

14:29 Witness: - I think I've never been on Bohemians.

14:29 Prosecutors Holden: - Do you think that would Breivik told it to you, if this had happened?

14:30 The witness: - Yes, I guess. But it depends on how much weight he has put on the story. It may have been a minor incident which he has given greater emphasis in the future.

14:30 Prosecutors Engh: - You and Breivik were close friends. Shared your joys and sorrows?

14:30 The witness: - Yes, it can be said.

14:30 Prosecutors Engh: - How was the defendant in relation to you?

14:30 The witness: - He was supportive and comforting.

14:31 Lippestad: - You and Breivik had talked about the Knights Templar. Can you remember when this was?

14:31 The witness: - It was early in 2011.

14:32 Lippestad: - You do not remember anything more about what he said about KT?

14:32 The witness: - No.

14:32 Judge Lyng: - Is he talking about the historic KT, or both?

14:32 The witness: - As I remember, he mixes them together. He talks about both.

14:33 Lippestad: - He was an early interest in politics. How wonderful this is? Were there discussions in class, or party?

14:34 The witness: - It is difficult to answer. He has always been involved in politics, and immigration was part of it.

14:34 Lippestad: - A witness has said that he knew much about the Koran? Can you remember anything about it?

14:35 Witness: - I can remember that he discussed it. He loved to discuss Sharia law and quotes from the Koran.

14:35 Lippestad: - Respond some of these taxi drivers on this?

14:35 The witness: - In a positive sense, for he showed respect in the way he talked about it. They thought it was funny that a Norwegian, had knowledge of the subject.

14:36 Lippestad: - In 2011, he began to come out of dormancy, you say. What do you mean?

14:36 The witness: - Physically, it was that he took the initiative to meet. So it was that he began to focus more on training again. He should be in shape for summer.

14:37 Lippestad: - He called you and asked if you were to meet?

14:37 The witness: - Yes, the kind of thing. Grille or go on the beach.

14:37 Lippestad: - Was there anything remarkable in his behavior, seen in retrospect?

14:38 The witness: - When he wrote the book, he lived all the way into it. Next month it could be something completely different. It went in stages. He started talking about farming.

14:38 Lippestad: - compared himself with the greats?

14:38 The witness: - It was a little more fervor in him. He got more confidence after he started training. He compared not with the greats and war heroes.

14:39 Lippestad: - What about the functioning of his. He answered adequately, when you met in 2011?

14:39 The witness: - It was like you and me now. He was. He has always been precise and hated the people who came late.

14:39 Lippestad: - Is there anything about his behavior in 2011 which was very strange?

14:40 The witness: - He said he saw spiders everywhere on the farm. But in his youth, he had little fear of spiders.

14:40 - It was not so strange. It is after all a farm.

14:40 Lippestad: - Was there anything inappropriate or strange about his behavior to you in 2011?

14:41 The witness: - It was unusual to be him, because I was moving into an apartment and asked him for help with a sofa. But he was irritated. He came, but in retrospect it seemed as if he was under pressure.

14:42 Lippestad: - You first called and asked for help, and he came anyway. Do you remember why he came?

14:42 The witness: - He came because he was a good friend.

14:42 Lippestad: - Did you have to persuade him?

14:42 Witness: - I had to call him up again he would come.

14:43 Lippestad: - Do you know if he was good at playing video games?

14:43 The witness: - He must have been good. There were characters in the game and to get to the level you must play much or buy the character, and I doubt that he did.

14:44 Lippestad: - Do you remember if he changed their language in any way?

14:44 The witness: - It was in the context of writing the book, it appeared more and more foreign. The words seemed to her own compositions, but they actually existed.

14:45 - Multiculturalism and other words.

14:45 Lippestad: - You asked him about the words, and then he explained what they meant.

14:45 The witness: - Conservative Culture was another word. There are words that exist out there.

14:46 Lawyer Hallgren: - Was he interested in literature?

14:46 The witness: - not fiction. It seemed he was wasted.

14:46 Lawyer Hallgren: - How he found this literature?

14:46 - It was the topic that interested him. It could be diamonds or religious history. He found literature on the net and went low at the library.

14:47 Lawyer Hallgren: - Have you heard him talk about the AUF?

14:47 Bistnadsadokat Hallgren: - Labor, then?

14:47 The witness: - Very little. Only in the context that it was in competition with FpU. No hatred or strong opinions.

14:47 - He expressed himself strongly on Labor.

14:47 Lawyer Hallgren: - steroids and bodybuilding. Did you have any impressions of it?

14:48 The witness: - As far as I knew he used it only twice. One time in high school and just before 22 July.

14:48 Lawyer Hallgren: - Did you get any idea of ??how it worked on him mentally?

14:48 The witness: - He was short tempered. We provoke him a bit to test this. He was annoyed pretty quickly.

14:48 The witness: - In 2011, it seemed not as if it worked for him as much.

14:49 Lawyer Hallgren: - Do you have the impression of his relationship to violence?

14:49 Witness: - I can not say that he has had any relationship to it. I've never been in any situations with him where we have attracted to violence or of violence.

14:49 Lawyer Hallgren: - Violence in the cinematic sense, then?

14:49 The witness: - No more than the man in the street. He likes to see an action movie.

14:50 Lawyer Hallgren: - What can you say about the relationship with his father?

14:50 Witness: - I would say non-existent. Anders wanted to have a relationship with his father, but was rejected.

14:51 Lawyer Hallgren: - Have you considered if he had any role models?

14:51 Witness: - I can not say that I have it.

14:51 Lawyer Elgesem ask about his relationship with Labour Youth and Labour Party, though he was critical?

14:52 The witness: - At every election. It is in that he does not like the policy they lead. It differs from the party he likes.

14:52 Lawyer Elgesem: - Is there anything that increases after a while?

14:52 The witness: - Not what he suggests.

14:53 Lawyer Larsen: - A bit of the move that he helped you with ... You had nagged him. How was he, how he contributed?

14:53 The witness: - He walked a little in a hurry. There were no problems with cooperation.

14:53 Lawyer Larsen: - Was Breivik in a shooting club? Did he contact you this spring (2011)?

14:54 The witness: - He had joined the Oslo gun club. We had started to shoot there before, but I had moved and notified me out. He wondered if I would be with the game.

14:54 Lawyer Larsen - he asked you several times if you wanted to be with?

14:54 Lawyer Larsen: - Can you remember a barbecue meet?

14:54 The witness: - We grills and talk this and that about the different ideas he has.

14:55 Lawyer Larsen: - Was it in June 2011?

14:55 Witness: - I can vote. The witness tells us about who was involved.

14:55 Lawyer Larsen: - When you ask him to focus on other issues, how did he react to that?

14:55 The witness: - He takes the note and tone it down.

14:56 Witness: - I do not get any more reaction than that we replace the theme.

14:56 Lawyer Larsen: - Do you have any opinion about the relationship to his father play a role in this matter?

14:56 The witness: - He has not had much impact on the lives of Anders. I do not think he has had no longing for the father.

14:57 Lawyer Larsen: - You have expressed yourself differently in the interview?

14:57 The witness: - All fathers should be present for their children. I know that Tommy has tried to maintain contact with his father.

14:57 Lawyer Larsen: - Have you seen any "ticks" at Breivik?

14:57 The witness: - No, never.

14:57 Lawyer Larsen: - Have you formed any reflections on his health?

14:58 The witness: - No more than that he had a down period.

14:58 Witness: - I thought it was positive that he would soon be finished with the book and could begin a new chapter in life.

14:58 Aspaas: - You describe him as open, honest, and with enthusiasm. And stubborn.

14:59 The witness: - One example is that we should pack up the car. The three others believed it was better to do it another way, but he insisted to do it their way.

14:59 Aspaas: - You have not seen him angry?

15:00 The witness: - He may be angry and abandoned, but not furious.

15:00 Aspaas: - Should he be suspicious if he sees that someone is against him?

15:00 Witness: - I have not seen him like that.

15:00 Arntzen: - Breivik has half siblings. Do you know if the father has no contact with them?

15:00 The witness: - As far as I know, he has no contact with any of their children.

15:01 Arntzen: - Did you meet him more times than 4-10 times a year until 2011?

15:01 The witness: - On average, we were in contact for four to six times per year from 2006.

15:01 The court takes a break to 15.15.

15:17 Two of the experts sitting in the courtroom today. The other two are sitting together with Breivik in an adjacent room and watching his reaction when your explanatory.

15:18 None of the three who have testified so far today, confirms Breivik's stories that he was attacked by immigrants in two cases.

15:18 Next witness takes the courtroom.

15:18 The witness will be asked to provide personal information.

15:19 The woman is 28 years and ex-boyfriend of Breivik's friend.

15:20 Prosecutors Engh: - How long were you together with your friend?

15:21 The witness: - In the four years. We met the summer of 2003 to 2008.

15:21 Engh: - When you first met the defendant?

15:21 Witness: - I met him for the first time a summer party in 2003.

15:21 Engh: - So you often accused?

15:21 The witness: - At times, I have studied elsewhere.

15:21 Engh: - How diverse assemblage itself? Did you go to the movies?

15:21 The witness: - It was most café visits, restaurant visits.

15:22 Engh: - Can you describe the friendship between the defendant and your ex-boyfriend?

15:22 The witness: - He was the defendant who was closest.

15:22 Engh: - Were they a lot together?

15:22 The witness: - At times, they were very much together.

15:23 Engh: - Can you describe how the defendant was in the time you were familiar with him from 2003?

15:23 Witness - I perceived him to be open and easy to talk to. He was engaged, and interested in talking. Maybe a little intense at times.

15:23 Engh: - How wonderful it is?

15:23 The witness: - He would discuss politics and religion, and could get caught up in debates.

15:24 Engh: - Was he a bit "older"?

15:24 Witness: - Well, in any way. He talked about topics that others are not thinking so much.

15:24 Engh: - Was he concerned with ethics and morals?

15:24 The witness: - He was especially interested in religion. It was in the beginning most kristinedom he was concerned.

15:24 Engh: - When you talk to him?

15:25 The witness: - He would like that the debates should continue, but the others were probably not interested.

15:26 Engh: - Was he concerned about other people?

15:26 The witness: - He was very fond of going out and eating.

15:26 Engh: - How did you experience being with him?

15:26 Witness - I perceived him to be friendly, interested in what others had to come by and say.

15:27 The witness: - He wanted to talk to me or the other girlfriends in gjngen.

15:27 Engh: - These other girls who had boyfriends in the gang, they shared your view that he "saw" you?

15:27 The witness: - Yes.

15:27 Engh: - he created conflicts around them? Was there a lot of bickering?

15:27 The witness: - No, it might be that some were annoyed, but he took it with a smile.

15:28 Engh: - Did you get any impression on his ability to have many balls in the air?

15:28 The witness: - He was sociable, was much with the boys as he ran his own company.

15:28 The witness: - It appeared that everything went well.

15:28 Engh: - What was his mood?

15:29 Witness: - I must differentiate between the two periods, from 2003 until the end of 2005. He was in a good mood and happy.

15:29 Witness - I rarely experienced mood swings.

15:29 Engh: - Do you feel that he had a lot of ideas and thoughts about what he should do, or did he just focus on the job?

15:30 The witness: - He was a bit typical entrepreneur, always a new idea or a good way to make money.

15:30 Witness - I saw him not as a single-minded at this time.

15:30 Engh: - Do you feel if he was interested in feedback from their environment?

15:31 The witness: - he knew best himself, and might seem a little arrogant. He completed not high school, and somehow it seemed that he had some of the complexes.

15:32 The witness: - He did not complete, for he had a business idea. He had read up, he said.

15:32 Engh: - What did you think about it?

15:32 The witness: - That he was a little strange. There is no other that says something like that. He had some high opinion of himself.

15:33 Witness: - I never knew what he was doing, what he was making money.

15:33 The witness: - He explained what he was making money, his company was doing two things.

15:34 Engh: - Was he good at small talk?

15:35 The witness: - Yes, but the conversation quickly became thematic. It could be a bit tiring.

15:35 The witness: - Yes, he would often discuss politics with me.

15:35 Engh: - In what you call the first phase, you got the impression that he was interested in politics?

15:36 The witness: - He never said anything I reacted, which was beyond the Progress Party's views.

15:36 Engh: - Have you ever experienced that he smiled at places where it is not natural to smile?

15:37 Witness: - I am not sure, but I seem to remember that he had a nervous smile when he was not sure.

15:37 Engh: - Why share acquaintance in phases?

15:37 The witness: - There was a gradual change in the course of 2005/2006.

15:37 Engh: - What exactly was the change in?

15:37 The witness: - It started out early next year, the big change came later in 2006.

15:38 The witness: - It was as if things fell apart, his life his. It started when he met a white Russian girl on the internet.

15:39 The witness: - It was his last attempt to date a girl, it seemed like.

15:40 The witness: - One day he said he had put his business.

15:41 The witness: - He played a lot then, and as it emerged that he was playing.

15:41 The witness: - He explained that everyone else had also taken a year off.

15:42 Engh: - How did he have? He moved home to her mother. What happens next?

15:42 The witness: - The times I saw him, he seemed quieter and more grip. The smile and the energy is reduced.

15:43 The witness: - He seemed paler and thinner, it was difficult to get him involved in social things.

15:43 Engh: - How did your ex-girlfriend there?

15:43 The witness: - ex-boyfriend was frustrated, I said I thought he had been legal game.

15:44 Engh: - You said he was paler, thinner and quieter. At first he was intense. How was it?

15:44 The witness: - It was as if the spark of life was gone.

15:44 The witness: - Smalltalken was also gone.

15:44 Engh: - You rang on his door. How many times were you and did you catch a few times?

15:45 The witness: - When he lived in Tiedemann's Gate, there were at least three to five times. My ex tried to get him on the phone.

15:45 Engh: - In the period from summer 2006 to summer 2008, you meet him at any time?

15:46 Witness: - I met him twice in the summer of 2008 when I was home.

15:46 The witness: - He was very changed, a little back to "his old self."

15:46 The witness: - He talked about his book.

15:47 Engh: - he spoke of nothing but the book he wrote about?

15:47 The witness: - The one time were all the other boys, when he spoke not about the book. The second time he spoke well about the only book that was published in London.

15:48 The witness: - It was as if he had found the answer, and that he would explain it to all of us.

15:48 Engh: - The answer to what?

15:49 The witness: - Stating that Islam would conquer Europe over time, that if it were not done anything, then it would happen. No one took him seriously.

15:49 Engh: - How did he react to arguments?

15:49 The witness: - We listened, and gave him a clear counter-arguments.

15:49 The witness: - He was enthusiastic and eager, not arguing.

15:50 Engh: - In the first phase, you said that he was single-minded. Was he single-minded in the second phase?

15:50 The witness: - He was much more single-mindedly.

15:50 Engh: - When you and your ex tried to get in touch with him, there was talk that he should get some help?

15:50 Witness: - I do not know what the others talked about, but I told my ex that I thought he was sick game legal. That he should get help.

15:51 Engh: - Why do you think your ex did not give up trying to make contact with him?

15:51 The witness is clearly moved, must take a break.

15:52 Engh: - What were your ex that Breivik would not have contact with their friends?

15:52 The witness: - He did not talk much about it, I think he was upset.

15:53 Engh: - It was completed in autumn 2008 between you and you had no contact with the defendant after that.

15:53 Engh: - Have you read the manifesto?

15:53 Witness - I skimmed over parts of it in August last year, can not respond as much.

15:53 Engh: - Did you get any impression of the diary was written in real time?

15:54 The witness: - Part of it appears as it is not.

15:54 Engh: - Is it correct chronology of what he describes?

15:54 The witness: - It was not the chronology commented, but what was included and what not.

15:54 Engh is finished with their questions.

15:55 Defender Lippestad: - In the first period from 2003 to 2006, you said that he had thought about topics you others had not thought of. What was it?

15:55 The witness: - What I remember most was the discussions we have about religion and Christianity.

15:56 Lippestad: - Do you feel that he could much about Christianity?

15:56 The witness: - He also talked about the Masonic order, which I think was special for one at his age.

15:56 The witness: - He appeared as knowledgeable.

15:57 Lippestad: - The period when things fell apart: What was the reason why the mood was gone? Others have described him as depressed.

15:57 Witness: - I thought he was legal game.

15:58 The witness: - As I understand it, it was only a consequence of the fact that he had played so much.

15:59 Lippestad: - The group of friends seems like good people with good education and jobs. Was there any discussion that you succeed and he does not?

16:00 The witness: - No. I regarded him only as sick. In retrospect, I did my thought about it.

16:00 The witness: - When friends began to study and got girlfriends, he came nowhere.

16:01 Lippestad: - You said that in the first period, he was more aware of you than the other guys in the gang. In the last period, he was not aware. Was he like the other guys when or completely different?

16:02 Witness - I did not meet him many times in the last period. He behaved most of my ex-boyfriend then. He talked mostly about himself and his.

16:02 Lippestad: - The fact that he remained most of your ex-boyfriend, is it so special?

16:03 The witness: - In relation to him it was there, he had previously been so interested in talking to me.

16:03 Lippestad done.

16:03 Lawyer Hallgren: - Do you have any examples of the defendants were interested in topics like the other boys were not interested in?

16:04 The witness: - Among other fraternal lodge, how things work there. Religion, the relationship to Christianity.

16:04 Hallgren: - When you mention Christianity, can you remember what you discussed?

16:05 The witness: - As I remember, he said that he was not a practicing Christian. He saw himself as a Christian, a Protestant. He supported the values ??of the church.

16:05 Hallgren: - Discussed your literature?

16:05 Witness: - I remember faintly that he read a part, but do not remember anything specific.

16:05 No more questions for the witness.

16:06 Next witness will testify.

16:07 It is unclear whether Breivik allowed to come into the room during the witness' testimony.

16:08 16-year-old was in the cafe building at 22 Utøya July.

16:08 The court waiting while Breivik brought into the courtroom 250

16:11 Prosecutors Holden will begin with their questions.

16:11 Prosecutors Holden: - When did you become a member of Labour Youth?

16:11 Prosecutors Holden: - Had you been Utøya before?

16:11 The witness said that this was the fourth or fifth time she was involved in Utøya.

16:12 Witness: - I sat and listened to a lecture on Saudi Arabia. We talked about the war and the innocent are killed. Then suddenly we saw on the mobile phone that it was the bombing of Oslo.

16:13 The witness: - There was a lot of control in the auditorium. All gathered in the Great Hall. Eskil Pedersen talked about what had happened.

16:13 Witness: - I called my dad. So I went back in the Great Hall. They put up a big screen so we could watch the news. Then we heard shooting, not that I thought it was shooting. It was just a sound.

16:14 - Then came the sound very close to us. All the windows were open. People ran to the windows and threw himself down.

16:14 Witness: - I went to a window and saw a policeman. There were some people behind the policeman.

16:14 - I scream, "What the hell are you doing?"

16:15 The witness: - The policeman said he would protect us. I thought it was really strange.

16:15 - Then he began to shoot at a girl. People were hysterical.

16:16 The witness: - People began to run. What I did was to run over to my friend and asked her to run for their lives. Breivik arrived at Little Hall.

16:16 - There were international guests there who did not understand anything.

16:16 - One said to me that I could run or die. I just ran straight out.

16:17 Witness: - I ran out the main entrance at the kiosk.

16:18 Witness: - I ran to the ground where we speak. I screamed that this is not funny, stop making jokes. I did not notice that I had no shoes on me.

16:18 The witness saw a person on the ground. She kicked the person and said that it was not funny. The person rolled around, he was shot.

16:19 Prosecutors Holden: - You saw a person lying on the ground, and saw that he was dead. Then it dawns on you what is happening.

16:19 Witness: - I ran on, so I saw a girl. She was in shock, for sure.

16:19 The witness is marked and takes a break.

16:20 Witness: - I saw a girl who was younger than me. I took the girl. We let the grass. I heard shooting coming closer. When we were at the scene.

16:20 The witness shows right on a map where they were.

16:21 The witness: - We heard he came back and said that he was the police and would suit us. I was really scared.

16:21 - There was more shooting, and I think I saw one being killed there.

16:21 The witness: - We went ahead and met several AUF-ers. We called the police and said that it was shooting at Utøya.

16:22 - It felt safe to be with older AUF-ers. I said that water was safer. I threw myself right into the water.

16:22 The witness threw himself into the water at the Proud Mountain.

16:23 Witness: - I was wearing light blue clothing in the water. I swam about halfway. I swam with a girl. We heard shooting and saw him at the pier. Really relaxed, he just shot over the water.

16:24 The witness: - People screamed that we were coming back, because it was too cold.

16:24 Five minutes there was silence, and suddenly he was there the other was. He shot wildly. All began to run. He fired at their legs and came back and shot them in the head.

16:25 Witness: - I was still in the water. I undressed, I was like a flasher.

16:25 People said we had to swim towards the boats.

16:26 Witness: - I got a vest and swim the rest of the way inside. It was a long way.

16:26 Holden: - What do you remember from what you said to Breivik?

16:27 Witness: - I said "what the fuck are you doing?"

16:27 Holden read from the police interrogation.

16:27 Holden read from the interview that the perpetrator calmly asked if anyone had heard the shots came from.

16:28 Furthermore gjeningsmannen said calmly that he had to collect the youngsters.

16:28 Holden reads: - The offender said "I'm the police, I'll help you".

16:29 The witness explains how the perpetrator was when he said this.

16:29 Holden: - You said he seemed really relaxed when he shot from the pier. How did you know him otherwise?

16:29 The witness: - When I talked to him, he was completely calm. I felt zero signs of stress. The way he went in too.

16:30 The witness: - He was completely normal.

16:30 Holden read from the interview: "As he went for a walk on a trail."

16:30 Witness: - I noticed his earplugs.

16:31 Holden refers to the interrogation. The witness explained that he smiled several times.

16:31 The witness: - tone was very relaxed.

16:31 Holden read the interview, he spoke in a melody tone.

16:31 The witness stands by what she told police 24 July.

16:32 The witness: - When I landed, I met an old lady. She came to me and pulled me away. She gave me several blankets.

16:32 Holden: - How has the post-22 July was?

16:32 The witness said it really has gone very badly.

16:33 She was a journalist on the door. Reporters called her too.

16:33 She was afraid that someone could find her when the name came out.

16:34 - I've been dreading this day for me really.

16:34 The witness: - It's all about Breivik. It is very annoying. I'd rather not read about that Breivik drinking water in court.

16:35 Defender Lippestad: - When you were out of the window and talked with him, you had eye contact with Breivik?

16:35 The witness: - Yes, he turned to me.

16:36 The witness had the impression that Breivik looked at her.

16:36 Counsel for the aggrieved have a question. He asks if the witness is working and if she has trouble sleeping.

16:37 The witness said she had been afraid of policemen.

16:37 The witness has been scared of loud noises.

16:38 The witness tells of help she has received. She has not had good experience with support services.

16:38 Lawyer Elgesem ask the others who stood in the window at the Café building.

16:38 The witness tells them she remembers.

16:39 The witness has finished his explanation.

16:39 Breivik to say something, enlighten judges Arntzen.

16:39 Breivik: - It is not very short.

16:40 Breivik: - Regarding the first witness, I have four points.

16:40 Breivik: - It was referred to the word "Aryan". I do not know what the word means. Can prosecutors explain to me what the word means?

16:40 Holden: We do not take it now.

16:41 Breivik: - I have never used the word Aryan in my life. It is affiliated with National Socialism, which I do not support. I am a conservative nation, which is another ideology.

16:41 Breivik: - The procedure on the nose was made for two reasons: It was vanity, and because it was partially broken after the confrontation.

16:42 Breivik: - A general comment to the three: None of the support my ideological views whatsoever.

16:42 Breivik: - Prosecutors have described incorrectly a few confrontations with Muslims.

16:43 Breivik: - The witness is trying to ridicule me in the grossest manner. I played only from 2006, not before.

16:43 Breivik: - The witness says I do not let them into the 30-anniversary. It is a mistake. On the 30th anniversary we ate at my restaurant, ten pieces.

16:44 Breivik: - Regarding deprimerthet, I can confirm that I have never been depressed ever. It was drawn picture of a very inactive and anti-social person. It is a mistake. I was through social network.

16:45 Breivik says ten-hour days and many social gatherings.

16:45 Breivik: - When I played, used one year, I played organized and at a very high level. I had several management positions in these social networks.

16:46 Breivik: - A couple of confrontations that the prosecutor was referring to, when four Albanians were trying to rob me. There were five witnesses including myself. It will come back to later, but it happened and I will come back to.

16:47 - When it comes to Bohemians, it was a Pakistani who tried to rob me. The cap may not Bohemians at the time. But it happened.

16:47 Breivik: - When given a picture of me from 2001 to 2007, it becomes very unbalanced.

16:47 - It comes out that I had several political positions and enjoyed great financial success.

16:48 - The Sabbath was a luxury I indulgent myself as a sailing trip or a golfing trip. I had very much enjoyed the year and it is something I will never regret.

16:49 Breivik - I could not tell my friends about the compendium and a military action. I used World of Warcraft as a cover. I gave the impression that I had gameplay issues, but had not.

16:50 Breivik denied that he had mustard in the anus of a cat. He has never hurt an animal. What might have happened was that Breivik told an urban legend and that it was misinterpreted by his friend.

16:51 Breivik: - That I should have used makeup and tried to be like Beckham, is incorrect. I have been vain, but that was before 2006. I've never been feminine. I used concealer to hide blemishes. There are quite a few men in Norway who use concealer if they are in town. It gives the wrong connotations if you say I am feminine and use makeup.

16:53 Breivik talking about Liberia: - I told a cover story. One was World of Warcraft. In the case of Liberia, I could not tell me to meet a war hero. I made a cover story about blood diamonds.

16:53 Breivik: - The same people who thought I bought diamonds, also believed that I was a sukkerbetbonde at Rena. None of those things right, but that's what I told them.

16:54 Breivik: - Holden tries to hype up the game play. There was much less important than what is portrayed as being.

16:54 Breivik denies that he felt a failure. - When you are debt free and have a million in capital, one can not fail.

16:55 - When it comes to the relationship with my father, it has nothing to do with 22 July to do. I have never had a father's longing. I have had up to four caregivers, so it's never been a lack of something.

16:56 Breivik: - There was much talk that the spark of life was gone. It referred to is the Sabbath. I was very anti-social compared to my old friends. What they say is correct, but the impression that it happened over many years. There was only one year.

16:56 Breivik: - Apart from that, I have no comments.