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Anders Behring Breivik Court Transcript 2012-05-10 Live Report




Thursday May 10, 2012 - Day 16

08.48 Oslo District Court is about to start this Thursday. Today, the court shall treat the 12 autopsy reports before lunch. The court will hear autopsy reports of three of the five who were killed in Bolsjevika on Utøya. The nine others were shot dead by the pump house. A total of 14 AUFers lost their lives there.

08.59 Breivik is brought into the courtroom. He looks around the room while it was shot.

09.00 The defendant's defenders are standing on either side of him. Prosecutors and the four experts are also present.

09.00 The judges come into the courtroom.

09.00 Judge Arntzen: - The court is sitting. The court will initially start with the decision from yesterday.

09.01 Witnesses may be present during the testimony of the witnesses who were allowed to be present during the other's explanations.

09.02 [The judge says to Mette Yvonne Larsen that the decision is available]

09.02 Lawyer Mette Yvonne Larsen points out that one of her clients need a quick decision in case she should appeal on the client's behalf.

09.03 The judge says the decision has been made.

09.03 Correctional Technician Sandsbråten summarizes how far he has come in his report.

09.04 Sandsbråten: - Then we would like to start the day on a par with the previous day. We go through what we have described. We go to the area around Stoltenberget and Bolsjevika. We take a report for this area in its entirety. We have been in the area in front of the main house where there lay two people dead. We have described the area between the main house and the café where it died four pieces. Then we went on to the south of the café where there were three dead. We then went down to this area, the camp site, where one died.

09.06 Sandsbråten again shows the aerial photographs of Utøya, while he takes us through the previsouly described killings. [Sandsbråten shows the different place names to the court on an aerial photo]

09.07 Sandsbråten: - Then we went to the café where 13 young people died. Furthermore, we have been through Kjærlighetsstien and the slope down to the water where a total of 15 children died. We then moved to the forest by Skolestua where two youths died. And yesterday we visited Stoltenberget and Bolsjevika where eight young people died. I will start with a description of the area Stoltenberg and Bolsjevika. [Now showing a picture taken from water. He stressed that the water level rose significantly from 22 July until the picture was taken on 27 July.]

09.09 Sandsbraten: - For the eight lying on the Stoltenberget and Bolsjevika, three of those were transported to Storøya. There were five of us who were in the area when we did our investigation.

09.10 Sandsbråten also says that several of the other dead were pulled up on land by the task force that came to Utøya.

09.11 Sandsbråten: - We will start with a thorough review of Isabel Victoria Green Sogn. Isabel Victoria Green Sogn, born 18 March 1994. Isabel Victoria Green Sogn died at Bolsjevika.

09.12 A red marking on the aerial shows where Sogn lay.

09.13 Sandsbråten explains the court can see the pictures that only the court's players have been dealt. He tells us what she was wearing when she was found.

09.13 Forensic Per Hoff-Olsen explains the injuries.

09.14 Hoff-Olsen: - Upon examination of Isabel Victoria Green Sogn three gunshot wounds were found. Isabel Victoria Green Sogn died of gunshot injury to the head. It was immediately fatal.

09.14 He shows a gray doll where Sogn was hit.

09.15 Lawyer Gunhild Bergan: - Isabel Victoria was a bubbly, caring and happy girl who really went in for what she believed in and wanted everyone to have a good time. Isabel was both clever and creative at school. She would always have music on. First year in high school was just completed, a year in which she felt she had much to do, and really felt politics pleasures. She went to school music and danced hip-hop. She became an AUF member in 2010. She was proud to be a member and looking forward to Utøya. She always said "it goes well, it'll be all right." Isabel was also proud to be the aunt of little Adrian, but she managed only to be one and a half years. Thank you.

09.17 Arntzen: - Thank you. We now come to the Karar Mustafa Qasim. We have a new counsel in place, can you say your name?

09.17 Lawyer: - Kari Nessa Nordtun.

09.17 The court now goes to the autopsy report of Karar Mustafa Qasim.

09.18 Sandsbråten: - Karar Mustafa Qasim, born 22 February 1992. Karar Mustafa Qasim, died Bolsjevika.

09.18 Karar Mustafa Qasim (19) was from Vestby in Akershus.

09.19 Sandsbråten asks the court players to look at the pictures they have on file. He shows the same images as before, but now it marks where Karar was.

09.19 Hoff-Olsen explains the damage and how Qasim was hit.

09.20 Hoff-Olsen: - In the investigation of Karar Mustafa Qasim four gunshot wounds were found. Karar Mustafa Qasim died of bullet wounds in the chest. Those led to speedy death.

09.21 Lawyer Kari Nessa Nordtun: - Karar from Vestby was only 19 years old. In nearly two years he went to Kirkebakken high school. He was a positive kid everyone spoke well of. He was sociable and good at making contact. He was actively involved in shaping his own future. He came to Norway as a refugee from Iraq only a few years ago. He came to Norway for a new future. He looked forward to the football tournament at Utøya, and would bring the trophy home to Akershus. He was one of thousands on the football field. Karar is survived by his mom, dad and little brother. Family and friends miss him.

09.23 Arntzen: - Thank you. We now come to Carina Borgundveien and it is Siv Hallgren who will represent the family.

09.23 Siv Hallgren: - Yes.

09.24 Sandsbråten: - Carina Borgundveien, 25 March 1993. Carina Borgundveien died at Bolsjevika. [Sandsbråten shows the map and shows a red mark on both the aerial and the picture taken from water where Carina Borgundveien lay]

09.24 Sandsbråten tells what she was wearing when she was found.

09.25 Hoff-Olsen explains the forensic investigations.

09.25 Hoff-Olsen: - Carina Borgundveien died of bullet wounds in the head and chest. The injuries have each been immediately or very quickly fatal.

09.26 Lawyer Siv Hallgren: - Carina Borgundveien was only 18 years old. The family says: Carina was a student at Oslo Handelsgym. She belonged to Oslo AUF and got a seat on the County Board. Moving to London in the spring of 2012 was already decided and application to study in Financial line was already finished. She had decided long ago that England would become her new home. Carina was the family's pride and the family's treasured sunbeam. The loss is huge for her boyfriend and family, and Mom and Dad have been deprived of the most beautiful thing they could get in life.

09.28 Sandsbråten: - So we have reported on the young people who were found at Stoltenberget and Bolsjevika, which eight are selected. [He shows the picture from the water] We will now move forward on Utøya to the pump housing. Then Dyvesveen will do that with Hoff-Olsen.

09.29 Police Superintendent Goran Dyvesveen from NCIS takes over the account of the victims when the review has now come to those killed at the pump house.

09.29 He shows an aerial photo of the pump house is located.

09.30 Dyvesveen: - At the Pump House, 14 children sustained injuries as they died. 13 of them were in place when the site was surveyed. One was brought to the mainland by Utvika. We recognize the area we have been now and Kjælighetsstien running from that area here and past a skate ramp and down to pump housing. It is 250 meters away from Bolsjevika and the pump housing. It is a path or road from the tent square and down to the pump house [aerial image taken on 21 July. One can see the tents on the campground]. When we started the site survey, we could see that there were many who had left the cafeteria and gone down the forest and down to the pump house. The path, the one that comes from Bolsjevika, runs here [show on map] and goes straight to the pump house. Next photo is taken from the water on the 27th July. [Displaying including the path to the pump house]. When we started the investigation there was one here, three people here and nine people between the pump house and the water. [All this Dyvesveen shows in images taken from the water]. [Dyvesveen displays images taken from the trail on the island and one right up Pumpehuset].

09.34 Dyvesveen: - We start with an account of Tina Sukuvara. Tina Sukuvara (18) came from Vadsø in Finnmark. Tina Sukuvara died at the pump house and we recognize the aerial photographs of Tent Square and the area below here. A red mark on the overview screen shows where she lay.

09.35 He says what clothes she wore.

09.36 Hoff-Olsen: - In the investigation of Tina Sukuvara one gunshot wound was detected. Tina Sukuvara died of gunshot wounds to the head. It was almost immediately fatal.

09.37 Judge Arntzen: - Does the counsel have any questions?

09.37 Lawyer Edel H. Olsen: - Is it possible to say something about the distance between the defendant and Tina when she was shot?

09.37 Hoff-Olsen answers that it is very difficult to say for sure.

09.38 Olsen: - Tina Iversen Sukuvara grew up in Vadsø in Finnmark with her little brother, mom, dad, and lots of family and friends. She was well underway in her apprenticeship as a child and youth worker and would have her certificate this year. At work she plunged into everything. She was the leader of AUF in Vadsø and sat on the Board of Ap in Vadsø. She took charge and took care of everyone. Tina loved people and included everyone, she always had a hug to give. She was fond of all of the outdoor life, and went hunting, numerous hiking, fishing and more. Fishing trips were probably more of a strain, but still it was a salmon and two grouse last time. She was an unusual teenage girl who could go to the cabin all alone. By age 15 she used the cabin while her father was away. She was also the grandparents own computer expert. She would love to be aunt sister newborn. She was loved and leaves behind an indescribable void. She will never be forgotten.

09.41 Arntzen: - When taking a break at the right time 10

09.59 The four expert psychiatrists have also returned to the courtroom.

10.00 So have the prosecutors, defense counsel and assistance.

10.01 Breivik is brought into court again. He stands and exchanges a few words with defender Lippestad.

10.01 The judges come in, and proceedings continue.

10.02 Arntzen: - Proceedings continue. We now come to Ruth Benedichte Vatndal Nilsen. There we have a new counsel in place. What is your name?

10.02 Lawyer: - Christofer Arnø.

10.03 Ruth Benedichte Vatndal Nilsen, born 1 October 1995, was from Tonsberg, Vestfold. She died at the pump house. The red marker shows where Ruth Benedichte Vatndal Nilsen lay.

10.04 Dyvesveen talks about pictures that the court actors have received in their binders. He tells what clothes she wore.

10.05 Hoff-Olsen explains the forensic investigation, but says first that the court should be aware that there is a misprint in the brief report that is on the screen.

10.06 Hoff-Olsen: - In the investigation of Ruth Benedichte Vatndal Nilsen one gunshot wound was found.

10.06 Hoff-Olsen said that Ruth Benedichte Vatndal Nilsen died of her injuries as gunshot wounds to the abdomen caused.

10.07 Lawyer Christopher Arnø: - Vatndal Nilsen, Benny among friends , was only 15 years. She had finished school and was excited to begin the design and craft line at Færder high school. She had planned to become a video game designer. The family said: "Once in a while a rare bird pops up very close. Benedichte was exceptional in every way. She ran her own style. She played bass guitar in bands and braided her own beautiful garlands. She also had the ability to immerse herself completely in a book or something else. And when you thought she was not paying attention to what was happening around her, she was fully present and could tell everything. She had an inner landscape that was big, creative and open. Benedichte was one who stood up against injustice and accepted all those who did not fit into the template. At 6:12:54 p.m., 22 Last July, she completed her last phone conversation with her mother, with words that carry through terror and atrocities, "I love you." This was what helped us, and therefore we say also, "We love you, Benedichte". "

10.11 Arntzen: - Thank you. We now come to Henrik Rasmussen. Siv Hallgren represents the aggrieved.

10.12 Dyvesveen: - Henrik Rasmussen, born 18 February 1993, from Hadsel Nordland. Henrik Rasmussen died at the pump house.

10.12 Dyvesveen again shows the aerial image where the victim was found at the Pump House.

10.13 He also refers to images that court actors have in their binders, and tells what clothes he wore.

10.14 Hoff-Olsen goes through the forensic investigations.

10.15 Hoff-Olsen: - In investigating Henrik Rasmussen three bullet wounds were discovered. Henrik Rasmussen died of bullet wounds in the head and back/chest. They led to immediate unconsciousness and imminent death.

10.16 Hallgren: - The family can not bear to be present in court here, but has asked me to say the following: "Henry was a quiet boy. A young man that no one had anything bad to say about. He went to Hadsel high school and would have celebrated autumn graduation time with his sister and friends. It was not to be. Henrik played saxophone in the school band and Melbu, and in the fall he would travel to Romania to play. He got a job at Ica Melbu, and it was intended that he should work there after he got home. He was enrolled in Hadsel AUF for approximately one year ago and served as a faithful treasurer. When Henry first got interested in them, it was his whole heart. Henrik, you will always be in our hearts. Thanks for all you were. Thank you for all you gave. Loving greetings, the family."

10.19 Arntzen: - Thank you. Then we go on to Espen Jørgensen. Can I get the assistance lawyer's name?

10.19 Assists Attorney: - Nils Aga.

10.20 The court now processes the report on Espen Jørgensen (17) from Bodø in Nordland.

10.21 Dyvesveen: - Espen Jørgensen, born 6 June 1994. Espen Jørgensen died at the pump house. The red marker shows where he lay.

10.19 Photographs with the red markings indicate where Espen Jørgensen found.

10.20 Hoff-Olsen shows on the gray doll which gunshot wounds the 17-year-old got. He uses a pair of white sticks that shows where the shots hit.

10.21 Hoff-Olsen: - The investigation of Espen Jørgensen can be summarized as that he was hit by three to four shots. Espen Jørgensen died of bullet wounds in the chest and abdomen. The total damage has resulted in imminent death.

10.22 Lawyer Aga: - Thank you. The family has wanted to convey about Espen, who had been a member of AUF for about one year, he grew and evolved tremendously with the responsibility that was given to him. Espen , or Bob as he is often called by his friends, went to Utøya first time last summer , and he looked forward to his first camp. He looked forward to meeting old friends and making new friends. And not least to meet new girls. He told me on the phone that this had been the best week of his life. He had made plans for the future, in the fall he would have started on the health and social care programme and would work with disadvantaged youth . Caring for others was one of Espen's features. He dreamed a lot. He meant a lot to many of his friends. He wanted everyone to have a good time. He did not spare the good word and have many hugs. On Espen's Facebook page memory, we see that he is painfully missed by many. Music he was very interested in, and he was self-taught on guitar. Just before he went to Utøya, he used his first paycheck to buy his first guitar. This is virtually unused at home. His older sister Camilla, who was only 18 months older, wrote a blog. She wants especially me to take an excerpt from it: "I am only 18 and my little brother is dead. How should we live on with it? My brother was shot in the back three times while he was lying down without being able to defend himself. How should we deal with it? [...] Espen missed is incredibly much. He was simply executed. It's something only from movies. It is impossible to comprehend. Mom, dad and sister remember him in love.

10.28 Arntzen: - Thank you. We now come to Porntip Ardam. We got a new laywer, what is your name?

10.28 Lawyer: - Thor-Erik Andersen.

10.29 Dyvesveen: - Porntip Ardam, born 18 January 1990, came from Oslo . Porntip Ardam died at the pump house. We are now on the lower side of the pump body. Porntip Ardam is one of the six that were right on the pump housing.

10.29 The photographs show where she lay. Dyvesveen tells the court what clothes she wore.

10.30 Hoff-Olsen explains the forensic investigation.

10.30 Hoff-Olsen: - The investigation of Porntip Ardam showed three gunshot wounds. Porntip Ardam died of bullet wounds in the head. These were immediately fatal.

10.31 Lawyer Thor-Erik Andersen - Porntip Ardam, called "Pamela" among friends and family. The family writes: We have lost what we loved. A young girl, sister and family member. She was a family member with a life ahead of her. She would have started studying in Trondheim. She found new joys and new friends. She was a committed girl showing actions. "Pamela" was a particular girl, went their separate ways and were not afraid to make big and tough choices. She should take a year off to do volunteer work in Thailand where she was working for an NGO, she was going to help orphans and street children. She was also engaged as Plan sponsor. Going to Utøya was huge for her and just before the shooting she managed to call a friend and say she was fine and that she loved them. She was mom's best friend and the only thing my mom had when she came to Norway. In Norway she got two sisters. She had a childhood filled with joy and smile, which made her who she was. She had many friends that she showed great dedication, and who showed it to her. She was a young girl with commitment and a strongwill. We miss you so endlessly much.

10.35 The court takes a break until 10.50.

10.53 The defendant is again brought into court.

10.53 Judges arrives.

10.53 Arntzen: - Negotiations continue, and we have now come to Thomas Margido Antonsen. [Lawyer Morten Engesbak presents itself.]

10.54 Margido Thomas Antonsen (16) from Oslo.

10.54 Dyvesveen: - Thomas Margido Antonsen died at the pump house.

10.55 A picture from the lower side of the pump housing shows a square of where he was found.

10.56 Dyvesveen refers to images that court players have been dealt. He explains what Thomas Margido Antonsen wore on 22 July.

10.56 Hoff-Olsen explains the injuries.

10.57 Hoff-Olsen: - Survey shows two gunshot wounds. Thomas Margido Antonsen died of bullet wounds in the head and neck. These have resulted in immediate unconsciousness and imminent death.

10.58 Lawyer Morten Engesbak: - Thomas Margido Antonsen had just finished school at the Bjøråsen school in Romsås. A short month earlier he turned 16. He had a special talent to give speeches. He had held speeches in the area that year, on 17 May. He talked about how good it was to grow up there in Groruddalen and especially the multi-cultural environment. He engaged himself also in the AUF. He fought for inclusion and care. Thomas was a skilled and dedicated boy. He was active and played with floorball, was in the Scouts and was student leader at the school. Thomas was a good brother, a son and a beloved grandson. He was just a good kid.

11.01 The court will now hear the autopsy report of Ismail Haji Ahmed (19) from Hamar. Lawyer is Eivor Øen.

11.01 Dyvesveen also says that Ismail Haji Ahmed died at the pump house. The red marker on a photo showing where he lay.

11.02 Dyvesveen explains more about the images that only judges, defenders, prosecutors, aid lawyers and experts will see.

11.02 Three thumbnails in court binders shows where the dead by the pump house was.

11.03 Hoff-Olsen goes through the forensic investigations.

11.04 Hoff-Olsen: - The investigation shows that Ismail Haji Ahmed suffered one shot. Ismail Haji Ahmed died of gunshot injury in head. It was immediately fatal.

11.04 Lawyer Eivor Øen: - The family tells of Ismail Haji Ahmed, Ismail or "Isma" as he was called by family and friends, came from Somalia to Norway in 2003 with Dad, mother and sister. The family lived at the reception center to be given residence permits and settled in Hamar. He was the youngest of six siblings. He was with some of his family at Utøya and had been there since 2008. He was a member of AUF in 2007 and was then recruited by his brother. His brother was on Utøya with him. In addition to being politically active, he was a contributor to AUF events with a cultural element, where he participated in the Dance Tent at Utøya. He was in Russia in 2011, was planning to study in dance and music and his dream was to create a dance school for those who have interest in it. "Isma" was a popular dance instructor in his home area at the time. He is described as sensitive and with great care for others. He was a man who easily related contacts. He got all family and friends to laugh. He is survived by his mother, father and siblings.

11.08 The court has now come forward Fredrik Lund Schjetne (18) from Eidsvoll in Akershus. The lawyer is Christian Lundin.

11.08 Dyvesveen: - Fredrik Lund Schjetne, born 16 August 1992. He died at the pump house. [show images where the 18-year-old was marked] .

11.09 Again, the court players view the pictures that they've been dealt.

11.09 Dyvesveen explains what clothes the victim was wearing.

11.09 Hoff-Olsen shows on the gray doll where Schjetne was hit.

11.10 Hoff-Olsen: - During the examination of Fredrik Lund Schjetne it was discovered that he suffered one shot. He died of a gunshot wound to the head, and it was immediately fatal.

11.11 Lawyer Christian Lundin: - Honoured court, Frederick's family is present and has asked me to read the following: Fredrik was almost nineteen years, and was the eldest of three brothers and had a family who miss him terribly. He grew up in Jessheim. He was an apprentice chef at the House of Literature in Oslo and lived at home with mom and dad. Although it was long days, Fredrik was not one who complained. Frederick was someone that everyone was proud of. He always helped to and loved a good discussion. He had a big heart and disliked discrimination. He practiced martial arts and was ready to test for his black belt. He was enormously looking forward to the summer of 2011 and to go to camp on Utøya. He had many friends and was even more engaged in the AUF. What we miss is his generous personality, his smile, his sense of security and closeness.

11.14 Hanne Kristine Fridtun is the next victim. [Mette Yvonne Larsen's is the aid lawyer here.]

11.15 Dyvesveen: - Hanne Kristine Fridtun, born 15 August 1991. Hanne Kristine Fridtun died at the pump house. [Showing the red mark on the two pictures where she lay.]

11.14 Hoff-Olsen showing the gunshot wounds Hanne Kristine Fridtun sustained.

11.15 Hoff-Olsen: - Examination of Hanne Kristine Fridtun showed three shots creates. Hanne Kristine Fridtun died of bullet wounds in the head and chest. Head injury has resulted in immediate loss of consciousness and imminent death.

11.16 Lawyer Mette Yvonne Larsen: - Here we see Hanne Kristine Fridtun. She was head of Sogn og Fjordane AUF. The picture is taken from Hornindalsvatn, where she was giving speeches on 17 May last year. She was a sought-after speaker. She was a happy, bubbly girl with lots of friends. She had great care for all, and worked with mentally handicapped and home nursing. She was politically and socially engaged and cared for the elderly and the weak in society. She was also a very good violin player and even though she had many interests, she had time for everyone around him. In Hanne Kristine's Facebook page reads: "Life should not be understood, but seized" family says that until 22 July she did seize life until she was killed. She is survived by parents, brother and a family who miss her terribly.

11.19 Dyvesveen summarizes those killed at the pump house. There are also five persons the court shall review tomorrow, they are also highlighted.

11.21 Judge Arntzen: - Then the court takes a break until 1.

11.22 Breivik is handcuffed, takes a sticky note with him and talks a little with defender Geir Lippestad before being led out of the courtroom.

11.23 After the lunch break three survivors from Utøya will witness. The first witness begins his explanation at 1.

12.58 Breivik defenders Vibeke Hein Bæra, Geir Lippestad and Odd Ivar Grøn is in place in the courtroom after the break.

12.59 Photographers take pictures as the defendant comes back in.

13.00 Breivik looks around the room.

13.00 Prosecutors and legal aid lawyers are also in place.

13.01 The court is in session.

13.01 Judge Arntzen: - Negotiations continue and we shall first take insurance of an interpreter. Can you take a seat in the witness box.

13.02 [The Georgian interpreter emits insurance.] She interprets from Norwegian to Georgian to assure that she will be conscientiously responsible as interpreter.

13.02 The first witness after lunch, Jane Hovland, takes place in the witness box.

13.03 Hovland swears the witness oath. Hovland's counsel is bear Stefansen.

13.04 prosecutor Engh: - I was wondering if you could start by telling yourself what you experienced 22 July while you were on Utøya? So I'm sure to ask you along the way.

13.04 Hovland: - In the beginning, I was in the Great Hall, because we got the information that we had to gather there to get information about what had happened in Oslo. As I sat at the back and they said they was from Oslo and Akershus and those who had friends or family near the bomb could be over and borrow phones. I was left in the Great Hall and called a friend who is from London, but was in Oslo, and heard what happened to her. I talked to her for about five minutes, and while I talked to her, the shooting started. I told him that there was shooting on Utøya and people ran to the window and it started to be chaos.

13.06 Bejer Engh: - How many were there in the great hall?

13.06 Hovland: - There were 50-100 people in the Great Hall then. I ran to see where this was but I went back to the stage. Then people sprinted through the doors.

13.07 Bejer Engh: - At the entrance to the information house?

13.07 Hovland: - Yes. There I saw paintings that were torn down and there was blood on the floor. I do not think there were any that were shot there. I came out of the cafe side. Then I called my mom and told that there were some people who were shooting because someone told me that. I called my mom and said there were three dead people on the ground at the café. I recognized the "Norwegian People's Aid" on the jacket. So I ran to the outhouse.

13.08 Engh asks her to point to a map and see where she ran.

13.09 Hovland: - I ran here [show on map] and so on down. There I met a boy who had a lot of blood on his t-shirt . He says "it's not my blood." I really thought it was nonsense, a bad joke ketchup or something. I thought that that was made up, I did not see that they were shot.

13.10 Hovland: - I did not know they were shot. I had not seen him that shot. I had my mom on the phone. I went on. He runs just after us. We were a gang that runs 20 pieces or something. I saw a boy who was shot in the thigh. There, I told to my mother on the phone. [Narrator who she was]

13.11 Hovland: - I could do some general first aid, because I have been going to the health and social care. So I took off my top and singlet to join him and tied it around to stop bleeding. I got help from a girl came running. I saw that he held his other thigh and was shot there too, so I got another girl to take off her top so we could tie it around there. After a while, 20 minutes or something, Breivik began shooting in this area [pointing to the map]. We heard ambulances come, but Breivik started shooting.

13.13 Hovland: - And a guy stopped us and said we had to leave. So then Hussain stood up and hung around my neck. And then he kept an arm around my neck, so we tried to get out. Herman is his name, the boy who had stopped. Then we went from there along the path by the water. We came across a pretty fast pace. We have met before. I asked about getting our coats, so I could put them over the boy if we had to stop and take a break.

13.15 Engh: - So you saw dead peolpe on the road Kjærlighetsstien?

13.15 Hovland: - No, I saw no dead people there. But we heard shots coming in our direction.

13.16 Hovland: - But here I think we met a lot of people. A great bunch of people. We recognized who they were. We took a break around this place here in the water somewhere, very unclear [show on map]. Then we all put jackets on the ground, but we heard that the shots came from behind us, so we had to move us quickly, and then we came out here somewhere eventually. And there we stopped up and put down jackets and left him there. So we were unsure if we should go down to the water or not. While we were discussing it, I saw Marthe Smith, she stood at the edge of the forest with half her head covered in blood, in training gear, and was holding her head. Then I saw that Hussain had brought the other four, so when I went over to her. She said she was shot in the head, but I just talked to her as I speak now really. So I said, "Come, will you join me over here."

13.18 - She was with me. So we went over around here, the rock tent, it is an open tent, but it was the only place I found there and then. I could not take her with me far. She was conscious, so I put her down on some of the jackets I had with me. I laid her on the ground. I said to her, "If anyone comes in the tent, then you have to play dead." There was another boy who was inside. I'm really not sure. He was fourteen or fifteen years and had a mobile phone with him. I was very afraid that Breivik would hear that he got a message, hear vibrations or that he could track anything digitally. I was mad at him and he put it away eventually. We sat in the tent for a while. I did not know what happened to her head.

13.19 Bejer Engh: - Did you touch her?

13.19 Hovland: - She had to move her hands to show that she was conscious.

13.19 Bejer Engh: - Did you found out where she was shot?

13.20 Hovland: - Yes, I knew she was conscious. She said she saw a girl dead, another girl who had been shot in the head.

13.20 Engh asks if she moved her hand, and Hovland confirms that she did.

13.20 Hovland: - No. So I went to the Norwegian People's Aid tent at the School House. I thought it was very scary to go into the tent and I took the first bandage I could find for dressing and stuff. I went back to the girl and tried to secure the bandage around her head. I told her when I got back "now it's fine, it is probably safe already".

13.21 - Also I was there a long time and heard footsteps outside the tent. I heard shooting. I tried to think where the shots came from. For each shot, I thought now one of us might fall. I thought: If there is a long pause, then he might be arrested. We heard helicopters and sirens. I called the hospital and asked what I should do. I called the hospital and tried to speak out about what had happend. I knew I had to talk quietly and give clear messages. There is a girl who is shot in the head. They were high latency to respond and had few answers. After a while, so I went out of the tent to see if it had come ambulances across the island. I knew I was not going to trust the police if I saw it. I saw Breivik stand here [show on a map where he stood]. I saw a "police officer" in uniform. I'm not sure if he had something on his head. I saw that he was Norwegian and he had either no hair or light hair. [Describes what Breivik was wearing and had with him, weapons etc.] He stood and peered out over the water, he did not shoot when I looked at him. I stood and watched him for a while, I do not know how long. He did not talk on the phone, he just stood and looked out over the water.

13.23 Engh: - What were your thoughts?

13.23 Hovland: - I thought that "I have to see him, I have to know what he looks like. I will see him and testify against him. I know that many have fallen on this island, and I knew there had to be a lot of injuries and that he had killed someone because of so many shots that had fallen. So I thought I'd see him, if he got away from the island, so I would know what he looked like. So I went back into the tent and said that he is out there, just be quiet, if he comes here, then you are dead, you should just close your eyes and pretend. And we heard shots and stuff. But I thought he was going to move here and that way [show on map] but he didn't, he was just on this side of the island. We heard footsteps, he was in the area for quite some time.

13.24 Engh: - But you saw him?

13.24 Hovland: - I did not see him, but Marte has seen his legs through the tent door, and we heard footsteps outside the tent, on the heather and such.

13.24 Engh: - You heard footsteps outside the tent?

13.24 Hovland: - Yes, we heard footsteps in the heather.

13.25 Engh: - But we have not seen the tent. Was it a doorway, or was it open?

13.25 Hovland: - It was open, it was like a party tent with benches. Large opening.

13.25 Engh: - You could see straight out?

13.25 Hovland: - Yes.

13.25 Engh: - And there you saw his legs?

13.25 Hovland: - Yes, Marte did. But we heard the footsteps were very close. You heard that they were quiet, he did not run. You heard very specifically that they ran or walked quietly. I noticed that he was in a hurry. After a while there was a policeman.

13.26 Engh: - What did you do?

13.26 Hovland: - I did not think too much. I studied him very much. I said nothing. I thought "what do I say, what do I say." I thought, "please", Marthe lying on the ground. She is the mini tent. So he yells he's a policeman, but I thought "he is not law enforcement, but there is nothing we can do." He asks if the girl is conscious. I had to trust him. I say she is conscious. Then he said that I should make sure she's okay. I said, "Now we're saved, the police are here." Then a few minutes later two policemen came in with another man. Also they said that [a guy] was shot in the back. [Explains who it was that was shot]. They said we had to put something under the head of the boy, but we had nothing there. I said they therefore had to put him in my lap. I felt the blood flowed from him and down my thighs. Five minutes or something like that until we were taken out. We were driven with the van, which was on the island, down to the dock. Then the police got with us in the car. Police were posted outside the tent at all times then, they did not know how many perpetrators there were on the island. I think they secured the island. So we arrived at the pier, where there were civilian ships and transported us to the campsite on the land side. I remember I said, "Where are my friends?" I saw blood everywhere and got no reply. I fell along the pier with asthma attacks. After a while, I was transported to Sundvollen hotel where I got air and asthma medicine. Inside the hotel, I found my friends. After a few hours my mother and those from Kristiansand.

13.28 Engh: - And you watched and helped the boy and then Marte. How were you afterwards?

13.28 Hovland: - Both ok. There have been many hard days that demand a lot of energy, the energy that I really have not. I have had very good help from my friends. But I slept much of the day and slept poorly at night. [ Hovland talks about the problems she experienced after 22 July as sleep problems and mood swings. ] I appreciate things, but I've lost a lot of confidence in everyday life. You have a restlessness in the body that you never had before. You also lose a lot of joy in life. Joy that you opt out of. You choose to accept it, but you can not bear it.

13.29 Engh asks if she's ready to go to school. Hovland says she has been trying to get the school day organized.

13.29 Hovland tells of good friends she lost on Utøya.

13.29 Hovland: - Torjusdatter Blattmann was a good friend from the AUF, but I have many friends and Utøya from Kristiansand. You do not lose their best friends.

13.29 Engh has no further questions.

13.29 Judge Arntzen: - Does anyone have any questions?

13.30 Geir Lippestad: - No, you have explained you exhaustively.

13.30 Lawyer Bjorn Stefanussen: - I thought you could say something about your plans for the future. Did you have any plans, and what do you think the chances are of completing them?

13.30 Hovland: - The plan was to become an elementary school teacher. I am in the 3rd year, but my energy level is very low. It does not look like I can work as a teacher unless my energy level increases significantly.

13.31 Hovland says she looks at it as a difficult time and pondersd to the court if she can manage to complete the plans.

13.31 Judge Arntzen thanks the witness for attending.

13.31 Janne Hovland finished her testimony and will leave the hall. There is also a wary exchange for some of the policemen who guard Breivik. He is constantly surrounded by three police officers. They are not armed.

13.32 Next witness will take place in the witness box. This is Lars Henrik Rytter Øberg.

13.33 Øberg swears to tell the truth. Judge Arntzen asks if he was in Russia, which the witness confirms smiling. He is wearing Russian jeans. [The aid lawyer is Richard Steinholt.]

13.33 Prosecutor Engh: - Can you tell me what you remember from that day?

13.34 Øberg: - I was sitting in the canteen building with other AUF-member of Oslo and Akershus and gathered information from the bomb attack in Oslo. We began to hear the bang. I thought there was something wrong with the electrical system or something like that. People are starting to run out of the building. There is confusion. I end up in the small hall. I see a friend who is laying down which is about to be run over. [Explain who this is]. I help her up. We pass an old ramp that is about to rot.

13.35 Prosecutor Bejer Engh: - How many were in the café?

13.36 Øberg: - I can not say for sure, but I would guess 30-40 people.

13.36 Engh asks him to show on a map where he ran.

13.37 [Explains which way they ran out of the house.]

13.37 Øberg: - [He shows all the way on the map.] It stops here. And then northward up here, and then down through some thorn bushes down here. And the ramp is just about here, I believe. And so we came to a little open area like that here, I believe [pointing to the map]. And there I meet and Pamela in a small group of people who take care of Ina Libakk, who was shot up at the main building. And there's a lot of blood and a bit chaotic atmosphere. Then we proceed to the pump house, I am a little unsure where that is. [Shown on the map.]

13.38 The court is shown a picture of the pump house.

13.39 Øberg: - There, yes. [A picture of the pump house, taken from the water, comes on the screen.] Yes. We come down on the right side of the picture here, it's a cliff. We run the trail down here. And follow Kjærlighetsstien here [shows image]. Before we climb down the cliff to the pump house here, it was mostly maybe 30 people here. So there were some who left eventually, so when we were maybe 20 people about 30 people there at most. So Pamela and I are there, and it is then I notice that she has been shot. She has a wound below the knee, but it's probably one ricochet, it's a pretty shallow wound.

13.41 Bejer Engh: - Did she know when it had happened?

13.41 Øberg: - No, but I suppose it was in Little Hall. It has emerged subsequently that the reason is that she was shot in Little Hall and she then fell. So we stood simply by the pump house where we comforted and supported each other.

13.41 Bejer Engh: - When there were 20 people there?

13.42 Øberg: - Yes, 20, but I cannot be sure. There I recognize Frederick and Havard Vederhus. Havard sitting there in pain after a fall or jump. We are there for quite a while. [Showing the picture that they are against the wall of the pump house onto the water] I do not know how long we were down there. But after a long period we heard a new type of weapon, and had seen someone that came the main road which can be seen as far from the pump housing. Then there came a new sound from a gun. I consoled the people and said, "Now it is safe here." Ten to fifteen minutes of this, I hear a voice that I guess is around here [shows image] talking to someone who has been hiding on the left in the picture here [shows the photo again]. In the interview, I said that it was [Lars Henrik Rytter Øberg mentions two names].

13.44 - The person standing here says he is from the police and asks if there are several waterfronts. It is pointed towards the pump house and against us. He says, "Just wait down there, there will be a boat to pick us up." It was rumored that the perpetrator was dressed as a policeman. One of the people asked if he has proof that he is a policeman. He answers. "Wait now, so this is good." Everyone is relieved and settles down with this. [Showing the map where he was]. It is a few seconds before I hear a bang. Then I see the brand of shots. I see a girl who is in the water, who apparently is shot. [Describes this in detail]. I see someone who jumps in the water, but we who stood up to the pump house were quite paralyzed. The perpetrator comes down the left side of the pump housing. I am looking straight at the perpetrator.

13.46 Øberg: - He stands at the corner for a few seconds, and I stand and look straight at him. And I can see he has blue eyes and shaven cheeks, and is a fairly tall person, it seems like it. After a few seconds, then the first shot starts. I just do not remember much of the first firefight. Soon afterwards, or, I do not know, but ... When I come to myself, at least, I lie here with a girl over me. I hear no shots right then and almost on instinct I push the girl off me, travel up and run out towards the water here. Then I jump out, diving instinctively and keep myself submerged for a while before I have to get up for air. When I see the perpetrator up here [shows image]. And I see that he raises the weapon against me. But for whatever reason, may have been a sound or anything, I do not know, then the perpetrator turns back here, to those who had been shot. Then I use the opportunity to swim a little further out.

13.49 Øberg: - The perpetrator goes towards a guy and shoots him. Then I swim further out and hear a bang behind me. When I have come far enough and comfortable with the perpetrator can not shoot me, I see my friend's sweater lying there . I realize that most people down there were not alive. I saw him back up on Kjærlighetsstien and watched while he went when he comes to a turn. where there is a person who is hiding behind a tree. Perpetrator shoots the person again. [Øberg does not know if this person was hit] Furthermore, I see him go further along Kjærlighetsstien. I see a good friend of mine just below a rock wall where the perpetrator goes wide. I am considering to notify that he is there. But in that I see him then I think that he can see me too. I see him passing by, and I swim toward the west, away from the island. I play football and am in OK shape and realizedn only later that it is too far. I then got to me that there was an air vent out there and swam towards it ... and after a while was picked up later.

13.52 Engh - You explained that the defendant comes down on the corner of pump house. When you heard him speak, did you see him?

13.52 Øberg: - No, I did not.

13.52 Engh: - How would you describe his voice?

13.52 Øberg: - It was a soldier's voice. He speaks to you like an associate with Oslo police would, Oslo dialect anyway.

13.52 Engh: - Do you remember anything about his tone?

13.53 Øberg: - Quiet tone. When I see him down here, so he seems calm. No comments or anything while he's down there. It is a difficult face to read. It was like a stone face, as it was said in the days afterwards. No clear expression.

13.53 Engh: - How long did you see him?

13.53 Øberg: - It felt pretty long, but it was probably a matter of seconds. When he aimed the gun at me when I was in the water , I saw the same face towards me.

13.54 Engh: - But you say he comes around the corner, how many... Are there still 20 people there then?

13.54 Øberg: - Yes, around 20.

13.54 Engh: - About the girl you got draped over you, did you know if she had been shot?

13.54 Øberg: - I believe so. Because I have not heard anything about it in retrospect, I unfortunately believe that she was killed.

13.54 Engh: - What about someone else who can be shot there?

13.54 Øberg: - Yes, or that girl in the water, I did not when she was shot, but I saw that she was shot.

13.55 Engh: - But what about those at the pump house, when he hit that?

13.55 Øberg: - No, it is unclear just moments after the shooting started, and there are several people in front of me too. And who does and does not get hit, that I do not know.

13.55 Engh: - There were people in front of you then?

13.55 Øberg: - Yes, 7-8.

13.55 Engh: - And then when you stand up, then throw yourself into the water and run ...

13.55 Øberg: - Yes, or swim.

13.56 Engh: - Yes, swim. You stop and look back and see him as you described the place that the offender pointed the gun at you. Do you have any idea why he did not shoot at you then?

13.56 Øberg: - It's something I've wondered for a long time. I thought it must have been a sound or something, something behind him which distracted him.

13.56 Engh: - Do you think he was loading?

13.57 Øberg: - I did not know that he has loaded the weapon, but I would assume that once he was down here so the shots came quite quickly, so I think he loaded at a time.

13.57 Engh: - In your interview you said that he had to reload your gun, you remember it today?

13.57 Øberg: - Yes, I think he charged the weapon, but I can not say with absolute certainty if he did.

13.57 Engh: - But after he turns away from you, see you when he shoots at those who are still behind the pump house?

13.58 Øberg: - I'm on my way further out then and really have no great need to see it, but I hear a few shots behind and that it is against them.

13.58 Engh: - You hear a shot, but you can see that he is right at the pump house?

13.58 Øberg: - I think you see that he is near there.

13.58 [Bejer Engh read from questioning on this subject. Øberg said he saw several being executed.]

13.58 Øberg: - I said it in the interview. It could probably be that I saw something, but I can not say I saw this.

13.59 [Bejer Engh wondering about a certain girl he thinks he has seen and he saw that she spoke with the perpetrator]

13.59 Øberg: - I have no specific idea about who this is.

13.59 Engh: - But you do not know if it was she who talked with the defendant?

13.59 Øberg: - No, I do not.

13.59 Engh: - I see you're healthy, so it's a good sign. How has it been otherwise?

13.59 Øberg: - It's been up and down. I am still active in the AUF.

14.00 Engh: - Can you summarize what you have left in life?

14.00 Øberg: - It has been a bit up and down. There have been football and school and local councils, school boards and a lot of things. I have it so easy that I can have it. There were heavy days. 1 May was a difficult day. One of my friends would have been 18 years then. I was in Trondheim to visit her grave there. I will miss those who are gone and care for those who are left.

14.01 Engh has no more questions, but Holden asks him to go back to the period before Breivik arrived at the pump house.

14.01 Holden: - A step back to before Breivik arrived at the pump house. I understand that you were a little unsure of how long you were there before Breivik arrived.

14.01 Øberg: - I got a text message at 18.12. Four or five minutes after this comes Breivik.

14.01 Holden: - To estimate?

14.01 Øberg: - An hour then perhaps?

14.02 Holden: - How was it being near the pump house? Can you describe the atmosphere at the pump house before Breivik arrived?

14.02 Øberg: - This sounds strange enough, but it was a very good. We were with friends who took care of each other and distracted each other with talk of favourite food and talked with each other.

14.02 Holden: - Did you know what was going on?

14.03 Øberg: - Someone had seen something, but I had no idea about it. I realized that there were some who went around with guns, but I did not see the connection with the bomb in Oslo. I thought it had something to do with right-wing extremism [explaining that he thought it might be to with people with regard to].

14.03 Holden: - Did you have any contact, spoke to some of the people that you knew where the pump house?

14.03 Øberg: - Both Pamela, Fredrik and Havard were killed, it was above all the people I talked to. With [Havard] Vederhus it was the sort of a kind of short "hi" and that there was more there. And it was good to see Havard there, it gave an added sense of security. Havard was the sort of .. He was a real good guy, then, and gave a sense of security. Frederick was a good friend who was caring and taking care of people there too. Pamela, I had gotten to know a few weeks earlier at a birthday celebration and we had good contact. And we talked about how this was going to be okay, really, that was it. And that people had to put phones on silent.

14.04 Holden: - She had been shot earlier and you told about the wound. How did she do?

14.04 Øberg: - She said it hurt, but she was determined that there was nothing that would prevent her from anything. She refused to get help down the slope.

14.04 Holden has no further questions.

14.04 Judge Arntzen: - Do the defenders have any questions?

14.05 Lippestad: - I will return to what you explained when Breivik arrived at the trail. Do you remember anything about the tone of voice and intonation, based on the statement he said that?

14.05 Øberg: - I remember he was pretty straightforward and quiet. Almost as I speak now and no loud volume. It was straightforward.

14.05 Lippestad: - Did you at any point hear any tone of voice from him that was loud?

14.05 Øberg: - No, not that I can say with certainty.

14.05 Lippestad: - No cry or howl?

14.06 Øberg: - No.

14.06 Lippestad: - Did you hear something of a joyful exclamation or he was quiet all the time?

14.06 Øberg: - The way I saw him, he was calm. I saw him, and there was no outbreak. It was a stone face that I mentioned earlier.

14.06 Judge Arntzen: - Does the counsel have any questions?

14.06 Lawyer Steinholt: - Can you say more about what has been going on with you?

14.06 Øberg: - I'm fine. I go a little at half power.

14.07 Steinholt: - Have your moods gone up or down?

14.07 Øberg: - I am in the strange situation that went up for Christmas and quite smoothly down after Christmas. It balances itself.

14.07 Steinholt: - What can you say about the future plans?

14.07 Øberg: - I have a little hope to get into law school, but it looks bad with the grades I have now. There are both political science and social studies left to collect points on. [The witness goes on to say about his involvement in the council in Hobart]. I was among those who got the most seats, 11 seats. The municipal council is full of great people, even from FRP. I also have my dad there.

14.08 Steinholt: - Yes, I want to ask you a bit about her girlfriend, like you said, 1 May had been a heavy day, and she had, should have had, her birthday?

14.08 Øberg: - Yes, she was supposed to have been 18 years on 1 May. Very nice girl. She wrote my name on a wall at Utøya and we drank coffee together and she was very nice.

14.09 Steinholt: - What was her name?

14.09 Øberg: - Gizem Dogan. She was found near Skolestua. 1 May, so I took the plane to Russia and took the plane up to Trondheim and had some friends and family who drove me to the cemetery. Tried to find her grave. And after a few hours, so I found it and wrote a greeting on the back of the Russian card and put it back there.

14.09 Arntzen: - Have the experts any questions?

14.09 [The experts say they do not have it]

14.10 Arntzen: - Many thanks for your attendance, then we are done here.

14.10 Øberg: - It was great to be there.

14.10 Arntzen: - I see that the next witness is summoned at 14.40.

14.10 Holden: - Next witness is in place.

14.10 Arntzen: - Then we take a break until 14:30.

14.31 Breivik is in place in the courtroom again.

14.31 He sits a row further back as he did when autopsy reports were reviewed. This is done to create some longer distance between the survivors to testify, and the defendant.

14.31 The judges come into the courtroom.

14.32 Arntzen: - Proceedings continue. We may call one last witness and it is Muhammad Abdul Rahman Mohammed.

14.33 He's taking place in the witness box.

14.33 Witness oath taken.

14.33 Arntzen: - Be so good prosecutor.

14.34 prosecutor Engh: - Can you start by saying what you experienced on Utøya last year? Can you tell about July 22?

14.35 Muhammad - It started when we were told that there was an explosion in Oslo and we would gather in the hall. I sat right in the room with some friends and waited on network TV. I hear something that sounds like a nail gun. Then I and a friend go to the window and look out. I see a guard, I have no idea how old he is. I saw nothing more. He lay on his back. I see the cop who comes ambling along. I thought that he has a message about what is happening and that he should make a routine check. I saw a girl running towards him. [Describes Breivik shoots her]. She cried out, "What happened in Oslo?" In retrospect, I have heard a lot about it, but that's what I heard then. I stand at the window with a friend. He's standing next to me shouted, "What are you doing?"

14.37 - And I forgot one thing, after he shot her, so he went over to her and kicked her. Or it looked like he kicked her and took out a small gun that he had, and shot her very closely. I first thought it was a gas gun, I did not register for me really. She lay on the ground. And then my buddy who is next to me cries "what are you doing" very loudly. When we hear lots of screaming behind us in the crowd. He turns around. I'm not quite sure, but I think he hit the windows. Then I fell down and crawled away. And then I smell gas or something similar, I thought it was gas, there was a strange smell. So I run to the long time and thought to run out the front door. And while running towards there, I see a person I know, he was a chef, he runs inward and closes the two big doors again. It was an army that was in front of me, and they start to run towards me. When I think of right away that there are several people who are here.

14.39 - And I saw no way out here [pointing at image right] There was screaming and chaos it was just so... Then we heard some shots inside. I knew it was time because I heard an echo. Then everyone started running towards the dining room. Then, all trapped in time.

14.40 Engh: - Can you remember how many there were there then?

14.40 Muhammad - There were quite a few. It may have been from 20 to 60 I was pinned up against the wall face. I try to get out, and finally I manage it. When I see many people who fall. I try to help them up. When I hear that there are several shots inside and I see people running towards the end is here [shows image]. There was mass chaos. I'm trying to see if there is anything high up where I can hide. The thoughts in my head tell me that it is not safe. I think that I must go down to the water and swim across. I had seen this page, the closest mainland on a map on the way over. When I jump on the dining table and come to a window, I kicked it and jumped down. It was perhaps two to three feet down. I run across a skate ramp. I see the pump house and considered hiding there, but it was open there. I walked along the path here [show on map], eventually I met a colleague because he has referred me to the AUF. There are some dark moments where I do not remember what we talked about. But I took the phone and tried to call 112. I did not come through, it was just closed.

14.43 Muhammad: - It was not even registered in the log. I do not remember if my girlfriend called me or I called her. I come in contact with my girlfriend and say she must notify the police. I try to call the ambulance and fire department. I come through and make contact with them. I'm thinking about going to the water, but I think that there is more to this, and there are certainly some by boat, which is part of this. Suddenly NN was gone. I do not know where he went. I met two close friends of mine [who say this]. They stayed in Bolsjevika. We were sitting under a tree or a hole. I remember that we saw plenty of people who went to the Stoltenberg. I thought maybe we should go there, that there was a boat or something. There are some dark moments, I can not remember what was said or done or the order of everything that happened. I remember a few tears. We had two stones in his hand.

14.45 Bejer Engh: - What would you do about it?

14.45 Muhammad: - We should defend ourselves or something. I do not know. I did not think much then, it went so fast. Also we were scolded some, so when we got rocks. And when I hear him approaching. And when we look away. We were many.

14.45 Engh points on the map, to Stoltenberget: - Then you stood right here, where the arrow is?

14.46 Muhammad: - Right there. There are many who begin to swim, and I see people throwing planks into the water and starts to swim while they stay on them. And then we see a boat starts to paddle into the water, a white boat. A short time later, they were perhaps halfway between the mainland and the island, and then we hear some shots and we hear that they hit the ship. I do not know how many shots it was, but I heard there were more than one or two. .

14.47 Engh: - Do culprits then?

14.47 Muhammad - No, I did not see the defendant, but I hear shots and see that they hit the ship. Considered many times if I was going into the water or not. Finally I came to the conclusion that I could go into the water with clothes, but I take off my sweater. I thought, well, maybe, to keep warm or something.

14.47 Engh: - How was the water temperature?

14.48 Muhammad: - It was very cold. Then I went into the water and tried to swim.

14.48 Engh: - How many do you think were there then?

14.48 Muhammad: - First, it was maybe 30, but some began to swim, and eventually so we were maybe 15, max 20.

14.48 Engh: - And the two friends?

14.49 Muhammad: - They were there and they said to me "swim," but they knew I was bad to swim, so they were left on the land. I went into the water and try to swim, being tired after maybe five feet. Trying to swim back, but it goes very slowly. I'm cold, I'm stressed, I try to take off my pants and t-shirt under water. It goes very slowly. I want to return, and when I see someone who keeps guard who was wearing raincoat. I suddenly notice that he runs straight into the water. He did not take their clothes off. I thought "there must be something here." I stand in the water to the knees. And when I see the head of the accused.

14.50 Engh: - Where do you see him?

14.50 Muhammad: - I see him somewhere here [pointing to the map]. It has since I have been with me that there were many trees there. I see two of my friends and many have started to go away over there [pointing to the map again]. He turned to them, but I do not know who he was aiming at. Then there are three others sitting here [pointing to the map], not just over the water, but by a large rock. Then I have the water up to my chin. I wave to them that they have to run that way [show on map] because he has his back to them and is firing many shots. I do not know who he was shooting at. I do not remember much of it, but what I remember is that the defendant turns. Then I completely panic and begin to shout, "Run!" So there were lots of clothes over the three who sat tight there [shows image] He starts to shoot from where he stood down from there.

14.52 Engh: - How long is the distance?

14.52 Muhammad: - I do not know, but he faces them. He hit the ring and slowly comes down. He goes down there [Shows on map] very slowly. While I'm standing with the water up to my chin, and I see him coming around here. I did not know what kind of weapon it was. He points his gun at the first and will not shoot from afar. He shoots first. The rifle is maybe 10 inches away from them he shoots.

14.53 - I think he shot them in the head. I think he's run out of shots. So it takes a few seconds, so he takes out the gun. I think I remember that he was referring to the head at all. He stands still as close. One says, "Please, please do not do this." [Describes how Breivik had his weapons. Describes he switches weapons]

14.55 Engh: - He shifts a weapon after shooting the first?

14.55 Muhammad: - Yes. I think that now it's my turn. I get some flashbacks of things that have happened to me earlier in life. I see my parents seeing me die. He is about to change magazine. While changing magazine on the rifle... this goes very fast ... I know I'm a bad diver from the past, so I try to swim. I noticed that there were some plants that grow under water. I'm trying to get hold of them and pull myself under. I hear a strange noise under water and think, "Now he shoots at me". I stand with water up to my chin. I see he's still there and totally panic. Taking on the plants and pulling me down.

14.56 Engh ask how far it was between him and the perpetrator then.

14.57 Muhammad - Maybe 7-8 meters.

14.57 - I think I bumped into a stone. I think I got shot in the knee, but I was not. Then I heard the same sound again. And the second time I was under water, so I was a little longer than the first time. I ran to speak, I'm not quite sure, but I think I spoke to 39. Then I come up again, and I see his back. He walks away from me. And it does not take long before he disappears, it's a rock there.

14.58 Engh: - But the sound you hear under water, you get the feeling that he shoots at you?

14.58 Muhammad: - I get a sense of it, yes. I hear a strange sound, and there and then I think he shoots me. Then I come up and when he is gone, I hear a loud scream and a shot of someone screaming very loud. I'm not sure if I hear him first and cries afterwards or cry first, then shot afterwards. But there was a scream anyway. A dark cry.

14.59 Engh: - It was a dark cry?

14.59 Muhammad: - Yes, a high, dark scream. Then I go back up. I was very cold. It felt like I was there for several hours. I go up and try to keep track of where he is. Then I see his back and he shoots the two or six people. There are more than two.

14.59 Engh: - Where is it exactly that they are?

15.00 Muhammad: - [Mohammed Abdul Rahman show it on the map. In questioning Muhammad said that there were six to seven people. ] I have heard that two of my friends who ran zig-zag.

15.00 Engh: - Did you recognize anyone else except your mates?

15.01 Muhammad: - [Mohammed Abdul Rahman says that it is possible he recognizes a person as he looked at the land side] When I see those that are close together. I'm terrified, I have not seen any dead people before. I am looking for a pulse, there was no pulse. I've never seen dead people there. None of them had a pulse. I go back into the water. It was simply hopeless. When I look further out, there are several that are picked up by boat. I start waving my purple pants. Then I think he (the operator) sees us, and when the boat comes towards us and picks up the first that was far out. So there were three of them hiding here [show on map]. They see him (the operator) is heading towards us. And we try to keep warm. They see that I'm cold. It does not take long before he (the operator) is with us. Then we all got into the boat. Then we drove to the campsite. The only thing I remember is him running the boat, "If you go further forward in the boat, it goes faster." When we get there, he says: "Now you are safe." I ask to take a shower. We get some kind of blankets and towels.

15.03 Engh: - When you see the defendant go ahead and shoot around Bolsjevika , do you have any idea what time it is?

15.04 Muhammad: - I had my watch on and looked at it quite often, because I thought we both would soon get help from the police. I think it's at 18:00.

15.04 Engh: - In the interview, you said near 18.10.

15.04 Muhammad: - Close to 18.00.

15.04 Engh: - You say that you look and you see a girl that goes up to the defendant. How far away from her is the defendant?

15.05 Muhammad: - She runs from the scene and he comes across. I think it is five feet. It's not far away. [Muhammad repeats to Engh that the first shot he heard was very close, there was a maximum of ten centimeters. Describes what Breivik does and he shoots]

15.05 Engh: - You said earlier that you are standing in the water, so you say you get flashbacks to anything you've experienced before. What was it?

15.06 Muhammad: - When I was very small in my home country ...

15.06 Engh: - Where are you from?

15.06 Muhammad: - North of Iraq. And I was in school and then a bomb exploded while I sat in the classroom and many of my classmates died. And then I saw your parents, how bad they had it at funerals and the like. And then I thought at the time, that now it is my turn, and now it's my parents turn to see me that way.

15.06 Engh: - How old were you then?

15.07 Muhammad: - I was 7 or 6.

15.07 Engh: - The three that you describe, that you see being killed by Bolsjevika. They are not moving, the deceased to the mainland, but two of those who were found there, it was a girl and a boy. Is that true with what you remember or what?

15.07 Muhammad - Could be. There were mixed.

15.07 Engh: - So you come to the mainland. What happens then?

15.08 Muhammad: - Being welcomed by some people who are at the campsite. I remember I got some blankets or towels. I stood only in boxers. So I asked for a shower, and I heard of a man "just go to the white house." And I was actually a bit skeptical because I thought maybe there is someone there too, to take rest. But when I arrived there I saw a few others I recognized, and I knew that I met in the shower block. I tried to shower, but it was not enough. I was so cold. He tapped into the tub and lay down for five to ten minutes. Then the thoughts came. I imagined that a man comes and shoots. I thought that I must wake up now and I have to get up. When I get enough clothes, I borrow the phone. I remember calling my parents and my brother and I say that I am safe. After that, we got plenty of towels and gave them to the others. We met many people who came and froze, we handed out and were transported to Sundvolden.

15.09 Engh: - Did you lose someone close friends on Utøya ?

15.09 Muhammad: - I lost my best friend. Ismail was my best friend.

15.09 Engh: - He died at the pump house?

15.10 Muhammad: - Yes.

15.10 Engh: - Did you have any contact with him after this started on Utøya?

15.10 Muhammad: - We talked in the hall and a host of others. After that I'm not him.

15.10 Engh: - How has it been since 22 July?

15.10 Muhammad: - It's not very... I go to school, but it is not very good there.

15.10 Engh: - Do you get any help?

15.10 Muhammad: - I get help, yes.

15.11 Engh: - Would you like to say something about how you feel?

15.11 Muhammad: - I think I am over it.

15.11 Geir Lippestad has no more questions for the witness.

15.12 Anders Behring Breivik: - I have a comment. It concerned the explanation. I have not touched anyone of the island apart from Berntsen, with whom I shook hands. For the other thing. The iPod I rather did not use on Utøya. I had planned to use it if I was paralyzed myself on the island, but I was not. I have not used it at all.

15.13 The court is adjourned for today.

15.13 Some of the audience sighed lightly when the defendant would again point out something to the witness's testimony.

15.13 On Friday the court shall review the 12 autopsy reports. Then Eivind Rindal and Munir Jaber testify what they experienced at Utøya.