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CLOUD - BIBLE WORD STUDY - THERE is more than 1 type of CLOUD - Pre Trib "Pre Tribulation" Rapture Debate

This is not a normal cloud.... Thats why there is more than one meaning....
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Study and Testimony by Todd T Rubick 

If we can understand that the English word in the bible has more than one meaning, we may have a much better chance at getting the denominations to stop being divisive as we learn to trust the Holy Spirit as he guides us in his CLOUD as we learn to become ONE BODY OF CHRIST.

Urgh.......... do you think YHVH - aka GOD aka the ANCIENT OF DAYS aka I AM THAT I AM is enjoying our discussion or is it like when you have a bunch of kids and they just keep annoying and fighting with each other... I did my first bible study with the Strong's Concordance to see what the word "Clouds" means or originally meant in the verses throughout the bible. I was shocked to see that it has more than 5 different meanings, I put them all in the following post... I know you all always make these studies for me, but I think this makes a point to all of us. 

Myron keeps using the english to prove his point. Why is the word clouds used for so many different words in hebrew and greek? Maybe there was not a word that matches the hebrew or greek meaning. So, when you read the verses, remember that if you are up against the Shepherds Chapel bible students, YOU WILL HAVE TO DO YOUR HOMEWORK... I have tried to catch Pastor Arnold in an error for 7 1/2 years now... No luck. He says the shocking truth, shows you how to look it up for your self, and if you have the heart to realize that your religion, denomination or pastor is completely wrong (as happened to me)... 

You have a choice. Is your church, church group, pastor and friends more important or is GOD? He is the word... Not the English word. Imagine the power in changing the words, or mistranslating to hide the truth from all of us. The traditions of man are based on mistranlations used to get us to accept PAGAN GODS and their celebrations. If you step back and take a look... 

Its amazingly genius to use the word to trick the sheep into falling asleep after you talk them into giving you 10% +.... Not all mean too, and before I took a few classes in Hebrew I really didn't get it. "in the beginning" is one word or symbol in Hebrew. Hebrew is a picture language. If you know the pictures, you know the meanings. This study is made because Myron asked if we could use scripture to prove we do not meet Jesus in the Clouds... Its the wrong question. 

What was the word that was used, and what can it mean in English? Check this out and know that knowing the word, how to study it, and having the HOLY SPIRIT TO GUIDE US will give you the power to LEARN THE TRUTH that Sets you FREE... Enjoy, and ask questions if needed... Otherwise, enjoy your debate. -

Clouds - Just because its says clouds, do not assume, its just the clouds in the sky... 

Check this out... caught up together with them in the "clouds" to meet the Lord in the air.


Just the English

1Th 4:17 Then we who are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

with the strongs #

1Th 4:17 Then 1899 we 2249 which 3588 are alive 2198 [and] remain 4035 shall be caught up 726 together 260 with 4862 them 846 in 1722 

the clouds 3507, (That word for clouds is not the clouds in the sky... see below)

to 1519 meet 529 the Lord 2962 in 1519 the air 109: and 2532 so 3779 shall we 2071 0 ever 3842 be 2071 with 4862 the Lord 2962.

Now word 3507......... Lexicon Results

Strong's G3507 - nephelē
νεφέλη
Transliteration
nephelē
Pronunciation
ne-fe'-lā (Key)

Part of Speech
feminine noun
Root Word (Etymology)
From νέφος (G3509)
TDNT Reference
4:902,628
Vines
View Entry
Outline of Biblical Usage
1) a cloud
a) ***************
used of the cloud which led the Israelites in the wilderness

Click for Synonyms

These verses just say the word clouds... its in the bible 49 times. 

Below, I put the same verses in with the Strongs Concordance # which shows you what the original word was... 
Its amazing the same english word can mean so many things.

Deu_4:11 And ye came near and stood under the mountain; and the mountain burned with fire unto the midst of heaven, with darkness, clouds, and thick darkness. 

Jdg_5:4 LORD, when thou wentest out of Seir, when thou marchedst out of the field of Edom, the earth trembled, and the heavens dropped, the clouds also dropped water. 

2Sa_22:12 And he made darkness pavilions round about him, dark waters, and thick clouds of the skies. 

2Sa_23:4 And he shall be as the light of the morning, when the sun riseth, even a morning without clouds; as the tender grass springing out of the earth by clear shining after rain. 

1Ki_18:45 And it came to pass in the mean while, that the heaven was black with clouds and wind, and there was a great rain. And Ahab rode, and went to Jezreel. 

Job_20:6 Though his excellency mount up to the heavens, and his head reach unto the clouds; 

Job_22:14 Thick clouds are a covering to him, that he seeth not; and he walketh in the circuit of heaven. 

Job_26:8 He bindeth up the waters in his thick clouds; and the cloud is not rent under them. 

Job_35:5 Look unto the heavens, and see; and behold the clouds which are higher than thou. 

Job_36:28 Which the clouds do drop and distil upon man abundantly. 

Job_36:29 Also can any understand the spreadings of the clouds, or the noise of his tabernacle? 

Job_36:32 With clouds he covereth the light; and commandeth it not to shine by the cloud that cometh betwixt. 

Job_37:16 Dost thou know the balancings of the clouds, the wondrous works of him which is perfect in knowledge? 

Job_37:21 And now men see not the bright light which is in the clouds: but the wind passeth, and cleanseth them. 

Job_38:34 Canst thou lift up thy voice to the clouds, that abundance of waters may cover thee? 

Job_38:37 Who can number the clouds in wisdom? or who can stay the bottles of heaven, 

Psa_18:11 He made darkness his secret place; his pavilion round about him were dark waters and thick clouds of the skies. 

Psa_18:12 At the brightness that was before him his thick clouds passed, hail stones and coals of fire. 

Psa_36:5 Thy mercy, O LORD, is in the heavens; and thy faithfulness reacheth unto the clouds. 

Psa_57:10 For thy mercy is great unto the heavens, and thy truth unto the clouds. 

Psa_68:34 Ascribe ye strength unto God: his excellency is over Israel, and his strength is in the clouds. 

Psa_77:17 The clouds poured out water: the skies sent out a sound: thine arrows also went abroad. 

Psa_78:23 Though he had commanded the clouds from above, and opened the doors of heaven, 

Psa_97:2 Clouds and darkness are round about him: righteousness and judgment are the habitation of his throne. 

Psa_104:3 Who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters: who maketh the clouds his chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind: 

Psa_108:4 For thy mercy is great above the heavens: and thy truth reacheth unto the clouds. 

Psa_147:8 Who covereth the heaven with clouds, who prepareth rain for the earth, who maketh grass to grow upon the mountains. 

Pro_3:20 By his knowledge the depths are broken up, and the clouds drop down the dew. 

Pro_8:28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep: 

Pro_25:14 Whoso boasteth himself of a false gift is like clouds and wind without rain. 

Ecc_11:3 If the clouds be full of rain, they empty themselves upon the earth: and if the tree fall toward the south, or toward the north, in the place where the tree falleth, there it shall be. 

Ecc_11:4 He that observeth the wind shall not sow; and he that regardeth the clouds shall not reap. 

Ecc_12:2 While the sun, or the light, or the moon, or the stars, be not darkened, nor the clouds return after the rain: 

Isa_5:6 And I will lay it waste: it shall not be pruned, nor digged; but there shall come up briers and thorns: I will also command the clouds that they rain no rain upon it. 

Isa_14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. 

Jer_4:13 Behold, he shall come up as clouds, and his chariots shall be as a whirlwind: his horses are swifter than eagles. Woe unto us! for we are spoiled. 

Dan_7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 

Joe_2:2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations. 

Nah_1:3 The LORD is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all acquit the wicked: the LORD hath his way in the whirlwind and in the storm, and the clouds are the dust of his feet. 

Zep_1:15 That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness, 

Zec_10:1 Ask ye of the LORD rain in the time of the latter rain; so the LORD shall make bright clouds, and give them showers of rain, to every one grass in the field. 

Mat_24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 

Mat_26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. 

Mar_13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 

Mar_14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. 

1Th_4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 

2Pe_2:17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever. 

Jud_1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; 

Rev_1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. 

49 verses found, 49 matches

NOW ADD IN THE STRONGS CONCORDANCE TO SEE THE DIFFERENT MEANINGS OF THE WORD CLOUDS

"clouds"
occurs 49 times in 49 verses in the KJV 
Page 1 / 2 exact matches (Deu 4:11 - Psa 104:3)

Deu 4:11 And ye came near 7126 and stood 5975 under the mountain 2022; and the mountain 2022 burned 1197 with fire 784 unto the midst 3820 of heaven 8064, with darkness 6205, --------clouds 6051, -----------and thick darkness 2822.

Jdg 5:4 LORD 3068, when thou wentest out 3318 of Seir 8165, when thou marchedst out 6805 of the field 7704 of Edom 123, the earth 776 trembled 7493, and the heavens 8064 dropped 5197, the clouds ------5645------- also dropped 5197 water 4325.

2Sa 22:12 And he made 7896 darkness 2822 pavilions 5521 round about 5439 him, dark 2841 waters 4325, [and] thick clouds --------5645 ---------of the skies 7834.

2Sa 23:4 And [he shall be] as the light 216 of the morning 1242, [when] the sun 8121 riseth 2224, [even] a morning 1242 without 3808 -----clouds 5645; -------[as] the tender grass 1877 [springing] out of the earth 776 by clear shining 5051 after rain 4306.

1Ki 18:45 And it came to pass in the mean while 3541, that the heaven 8064 was black 6937 with clouds 5645 and wind 7307, and there was a great 1419 rain 1653. And Ahab 256 rode 7392, and went 3212 to Jezreel 3157.

Job 20:6 Though his excellency 7863 mount up 5927 to the heavens 8064, and his head 7218 reach 5060 unto the clouds 5645;

Job 22:14 Thick clouds 5645 [are] a covering 5643 to him, that he seeth 7200 not; and he walketh 1980 in the circuit 2329 of heaven 8064.

Job 26:8 He bindeth up 6887 the waters 4325 in his thick clouds 5645; and the cloud 6051 is not rent 1234 under them.

Job 35:5 Look 5027 unto the heavens 8064, and see 7200; and behold 7789 the clouds 7834 [which] are higher 1361 than thou.

Job 36:28 Which the clouds 7834 do drop 5140 [and] distil 7491 upon man 120 abundantly 7227.

Job 36:29 Also can [any] understand 995 the spreadings 4666 of the clouds 5645, [or] the noise 8663 of his tabernacle 5521?

Job 36:32 With clouds 3709 he covereth 3680 the light 216; and commandeth 6680 it [not to shine] by [the cloud] that cometh betwixt 6293.

Job 37:16 Dost thou know 3045 the balancings 4657 of the clouds 5645, the wondrous works 4652 of him which is perfect 8549 in knowledge 1843?

Job 37:21 And now [men] see 7200 not the bright 925 light 216 which [is] in the clouds 7834: but the wind 7307 passeth 5674, and cleanseth 2891 them.

Job 38:34 Canst thou lift up 7311 thy voice 6963 to the clouds 5645, that abundance 8229 of waters 4325 may cover 3680 thee?

Job 38:37 Who can number 5608 the clouds 7834 in wisdom 2451? or who can stay 7901 the bottles 5035 of heaven 8064,

Psa 18:11 He made 7896 darkness 2822 his secret place 5643; his pavilion 5521 round about 5439 him [were] dark 2824 waters 4325 [and] thick clouds 5645 of the skies 7834.

Psa 18:12 At the brightness 5051 [that was] before him his thick clouds 5645 passed 5674, hail 1259 [stones] and coals 1513 of fire 784.

Psa 36:5 Thy mercy 2617, O LORD 3068, [is] in the heavens 8064; [and] thy faithfulness 530 [reacheth] unto the clouds 7834.

Psa 57:10 For thy mercy 2617 [is] great 1419 unto the heavens 8064, and thy truth 571 unto the clouds 7834.

Psa 68:34 Ascribe 5414 ye strength 5797 unto God 430: his excellency 1346 [is] over Israel 3478, and his strength 5797 [is] in the clouds 7834.

Psa 77:17 The clouds 5645 poured out 2229 water 4325: the skies 7834 sent out 5414 a sound 6963: thine arrows 2687 also went abroad 1980.

Psa 78:23 Though he had commanded 6680 the clouds 7834 from above 4605, and opened 6605 the doors 1817 of heaven 8064,

Psa 97:2 Clouds 6051 and darkness 6205 [are] round about 5439 him: righteousness 6664 and judgment 4941 [are] the habitation 4349 of his throne 3678.

Psa 104:3 Who layeth the beams 7136 of his chambers 5944 in the waters 4325: who maketh 7760 the clouds 5645 his chariot 7398: who walketh 1980 upon the wings 3671 of the wind 7307:
Continued Search Results
1. (Deu 4:11 — Psa 104:3)
2. (Psa 108:4 — Rev 1:7)

"clouds"
occurs 49 times in 49 verses in the KJV 
Page 2 / 2 exact matches (Psa 108:4 - Rev 1:7)

Psa 108:4 For thy mercy 2617 [is] great 1419 above the heavens 8064: and thy truth 571 [reacheth] unto the clouds 7834.

Psa 147:8 Who covereth 3680 the heaven 8064 with clouds 5645, who prepareth 3559 rain 4306 for the earth 776, who maketh grass 2682 to grow 6779 upon the mountains 2022.

Pro 3:20 By his knowledge 1847 the depths 8415 are broken up 1234, and the clouds 7834 drop down 7491 the dew 2919.

Pro 8:28 When he established 553 the clouds 7834 above 4605: when he strengthened 5810 the fountains 5869 of the deep 8415:

Pro 25:14 Whoso 376 boasteth 1984 himself of a false 8267 gift 4991 [is like] clouds 5387 and wind 7307 without rain 1653.

Ecc 11:3 If the clouds 5645 be full 4390 of rain 1653, they empty 7324 [themselves] upon the earth 776: and if the tree 6086 fall 5307 toward the south 1864, or toward the north 6828, in the place 4725 where the tree 6086 falleth 5307, there it shall be 1933.

Ecc 11:4 He that observeth 8104 the wind 7307 shall not sow 2232; and he that regardeth 7200 the clouds 5645 shall not reap 7114.

Ecc 12:2 While the sun 8121, or the light 216, or the moon 3394, or the stars 3556, be not darkened 2821, nor the clouds 5645 return 7725 after 310 the rain 1653:

Isa 5:6 And I will lay 7896 it waste 1326: it shall not be pruned 2168, nor digged 5737; but there shall come up 5927 briers 8068 and thorns 7898: I will also command 6680 the clouds 5645 that they rain 4305 no rain 4306 upon it.

Isa 14:14 I will ascend 5927 above the heights 1116 of the clouds 5645; I will be like 1819 the most High 5945.
Jer 4:13 Behold, he shall come up 5927 as clouds 6051, and his chariots 4818 [shall be] as a whirlwind 5492: his horses 5483 are swifter 7043 than eagles 5404. Woe 188 unto us! for we are spoiled 7703.

Dan 7:13 I saw 1934 2370 in the night 3916 visions 2376, and, behold 718, [one] like the Son 1247 of man 606 came 858 with 5974 the clouds 6050 of heaven 8065, and came 4291 to 5705 the Ancient 6268 of days 3118, and they brought him near 7127 before 6925 him.

Joe 2:2 A day 3117 of darkness 2822 and of gloominess 653, a day 3117 of clouds 6051 and of thick darkness 6205, as the morning 7837 spread 6566 upon the mountains 2022: a great 7227 people 5971 and a strong 6099; there hath not been 1961 ever 5769 the like, neither shall be any more 3254 after 310 it, [even] to the years 8141 of many 1755 generations 1755.

Nah 1:3 The LORD 3068 [is] slow 750 to anger 639, and great 1419 in power 3581, and will not at all 5352 acquit 5352 [the wicked]: the LORD 3068 hath his way 1870 in the whirlwind 5492 and in the storm 8183, and the clouds 6051 [are] the dust 80 of his feet 7272.

Zep 1:15 That day 3117 [is] a day 3117 of wrath 5678, a day 3117 of trouble 6869 and distress 4691, a day 3117 of wasteness 7722 and desolation 4875, a day 3117 of darkness 2822 and gloominess 653, a day 3117 of clouds 6051 and thick darkness 6205,

Zec 10:1 Ask 7592 ye of the LORD 3068 rain 4306 in the time 6256 of the latter rain 4456; [so] the LORD 3068 shall make 6213 bright clouds 2385, and give 5414 them showers 1653 of rain 4306, to every one 376 grass 6212 in the field 7704.

Mat 24:30 And 2532 then 5119 shall appear 5316 the sign 4592 of the Son 5207 of man 444 in 1722 heaven 3772: and 2532 then 5119 shall 2875 0 all 3956 the tribes 5443 of the earth 1093 mourn 2875, and 2532 they shall see 3700 the Son 5207 of man 444 coming 2064 in 1909 the clouds 3507 of heaven 3772 with 3326 power 1411 and 2532 great 4183 glory 1391.

Mat 26:64 Jesus 2424 saith 3004 unto him 846, Thou 4771 hast said 2036: nevertheless 4133 I say 3004 unto you 5213, Hereafter 737 575 shall ye see 3700 the Son 5207 of man 444 sitting 2521 on 1537 the right hand 1188 of power 1411, and 2532 coming 2064 in 1909 the clouds 3507 of heaven 3772.

Mar 13:26 And 2532 then 5119 shall they see 3700 the Son 5207 of man 444 coming 2064 in 1722 the clouds 3507 with 3326 great 4183 power 1411 and 2532 glory 1391.

Mar 14:62 And 1161 Jesus 2424 said 2036, I 1473 am 1510: and 2532 ye shall see 3700 the Son 5207 of man 444 sitting 2521 on 1537 the right hand 1188 of power 1411, and 2532 coming 2064 in 3326 the clouds 3507 of heaven 3772.

1Th 4:17 Then 1899 we 2249 which 3588 are alive 2198 [and] remain 4035 shall be caught up 726 together 260 with 4862 them 846 in 1722 the clouds 3507, to 1519 meet 529 the Lord 2962 in 1519 the air 109: and 2532 so 3779 shall we 2071 0 ever 3842 be 2071 with 4862 the Lord 2962.

2Pe 2:17 These 3778 are 1526 wells 4077 without water 504, clouds 3507 that are carried 1643 with 5259 a tempest 2978; to whom 3739 the mist 2217 of darkness 4655 is reserved 5083 for 1519 ever 165.

Jud 1:12 These 3778 are 1526 spots 4694 in 1722 your 5216 feasts of charity 26, when they feast 4910 with you 5213, feeding 4165 themselves 1438 without fear 870: clouds 3507 [they are] without water 504, carried about 4064 of 5259 winds 417; trees 1186 whose fruit withereth 5352, without fruit 175, twice 1364 dead 599, plucked up by the roots 1610;

Rev 1:7 Behold 2400, he cometh 2064 with 3326 clouds 3507; and 2532 every 3956 eye 3788 shall see 3700 him 846, and 2532 they [also] which 3748 pierced 1574 him 846: and 2532 all 3956 kindreds 5443 of the earth 1093 shall wail 2875 because 1909 of him 846. Even so 3483, Amen 281.

Deuteronomy 1 verse found 1 match 
Judges 1 verse found 1 match 
2 Samuel 2 verses found 2 matches 
1 Kings 1 verse found 1 match 
Job 11 verses found 11 matches 
Psalms 11 verses found 11 matches 
Proverbs 3 verses found 3 matches 
Ecclesiastes 3 verses found 3 matches 
Isaiah 2 verses found 2 matches 
Jeremiah 1 verse found 1 match 
Daniel 1 verse found 1 match 
Joel 1 verse found 1 match 
Nahum 1 verse found 1 match 
Zephaniah 1 verse found 1 match 
Zechariah 1 verse found 1 match 
Matthew 2 verses found 2 matches 
Mark 2 verses found 2 matches 
1 Thessalonians 1 verse found 1 match 
2 Peter 1 verse found 1 match 
Jude 1 verse found 1 match 
Revelation 1 verse found 1 match

Lexicon Results
Strong's H5387 - nasiy'
נָשִׂיא
Transliteration
nasiy'
Pronunciation
nä·sē' (Key)

Part of Speech
masculine noun
Root Word (Etymology)
From נָשָׂא (H5375)
TWOT Reference
1421b,1421c
Outline of Biblical Usage
1) one lifted up, chief, prince, captain, leader
2) rising mist, vapour

Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 132
AV — prince 96, captain 12, chief 10, ruler 6, vapours 3, governor 1, chief + 05387 1, clouds 1, part 1, prince +05387 1
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Strong's G3507 - nephelē
νεφέλη
Transliteration
nephelē
Pronunciation
ne-fe'-lā (Key)

Part of Speech
feminine noun
Root Word (Etymology)
From νέφος (G3509)
TDNT Reference
4:902,628
Vines
View Entry
Outline of Biblical Usage
1) a cloud
a) used of the cloud which led the Israelites in the wilderness
Click for Synonyms

Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 26
AV — cloud 26
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Strong's H2385 - chaziyz
חָזִיז
Transliteration
chaziyz
Pronunciation
khä·zēz' (Key)

Part of Speech
masculine noun
Root Word (Etymology)
From an unused root meaning to glare
TWOT Reference
635a
Outline of Biblical Usage
1) thunderbolt, lightning flash, lightning, storm, cloud

Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 3
AV — lightning 2, bright clouds 1
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Strong's H6051 - `anan
עָנָן
Transliteration
`anan
Pronunciation
ä·nän' (Key)

Part of Speech
masculine noun
Root Word (Etymology)
From עָנַן (H6049)
TWOT Reference
1655a
Outline of Biblical Usage
1) cloud, cloudy, cloud-mass
a) cloud-mass (of theophanic cloud)
b) cloud

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Strong's H6050 - `anan (Aramaic)
עֲנָן
Transliteration
`anan (Aramaic)
Pronunciation
an·an' (Key)

Part of Speech
masculine noun
Root Word (Etymology)
Corresponding to עָנָן (H6051)
TWOT Reference
2921
Outline of Biblical Usage
1) cloud

Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 1
AV — cloud 1
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Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 87
AV — cloud 81, cloudy 6
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Strong's H5645 - `ab
עָב
Transliteration
`ab
Pronunciation
äv (Key)

Part of Speech
masculine noun
Root Word (Etymology)
From עוּב (H5743)
TWOT Reference
1574a
Outline of Biblical Usage
1) darkness, cloud, thicket
a) dark cloud
b) cloud mass
c) thicket (as refuge)

Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 32
AV — cloud 29, clay 1, thick 1, thickets 1
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Strong's H7834 - shachaq
שַׁחַק
Transliteration
shachaq
Pronunciation
shakh'·ak (Key)

Part of Speech
masculine noun
Root Word (Etymology)
From שָׁחַק (H7833)
TWOT Reference
2367a
Outline of Biblical Usage
1) dust, cloud
a) fine dust
b) (thin) cloud

Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 21
AV — cloud 11, sky 7, heaven 2, small dust 1

I have learned its wise to open your mind to the possibility, most all preachers and churches are a little off... It takes time to translate backwards. Once we are taught when we are young, we assume we understand. Its so obvious... We are told THIS IS THE WORD OF GOD... Yet, its the best english translation that we have where a man named MR STRONG took the time to go back and tell us the words behind the words... I would say that the cloud is like a veil between our dimension and the next... Like reading the bible in english, vs reading the whole message. Good luck on your search Myron! God bless and good night... Remember that falling away question... Is it the holy spirit being taken out of the world, or that GODS KIDS PERISH FOR THEY DID NOT LOVE THE TRUTH, and PERISH.... Those arent the exact words, but you have to love the whole truth more than what we have been taught. I am sure that we will learn more when the two witnesses get here. If you love your way more than GOD who is the original word, as close as we can get, its easy to follow a man, religion or church. The holy spirit in your heart leads you to all the truth you ask for... So drop your shield, we are all on the same team. 99% of the people would love to get out of here in a rapture and watch the fight from the sky. So, to believe the rapture is false and the trick of Satan, you have to accept that and lose the hope that any second now, you may disappear, and leave your clothes on the bed, or in your car, or on your chair... Like Left Behind. On the other side, Jesus said when asked where are the ones that are taken (tares). He says where the eagles fly... (that word means peace eagles or vultures)... Watch the movie SKYLINE and wonder... Are we that are against the rapture against christians that believe, or like me, take the time out of their day and do all we can to try to prove to rapture believers the truth for THEM. We serve our brothers. All of us were mislead at some time and as we mature into perfection aka adulthood and become able to eat the meat of the word, we can see that there is a lot more to the story... THE LIVING WORD - RSTESOT! AMEN (Razor Sharp Two Edged Sword of TRUTH - Rev. 1.15-16 + Heb 4.15 & 16)
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Myron Dafoe PY. The definition I gave was from the E-sword source you gave me. Check it out.
February 18 at 7:36pm · Like
Myron Dafoe What online source did you use for G3507 from thayers.
February 18 at 7:37pm · Like
Myron Dafoe By the way PY. Did you notice the definition that you just gave confirms that nephele means "cloud?"
February 18 at 7:38pm · Like
Myron Dafoe David. Explain "air" please in 1 Thessalonians.
February 18 at 7:39pm · Like
Davionn Price I agree with Matthew Kline on the cloud subject. The cloud of YHVH. What is in the cloud? 

Psalm 104:3 KJV

Who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters: who maketh the clouds his chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind:

Could the Farthers chariot be in the clouds, if so what is his chariot?
February 18 at 7:39pm via mobile · Like
Myron Dafoe Do you all see what you are doing? You have all made assumptions and changed the meaning of a word. You have changed "cloud" or actually in this case "clouds" to mean something totally different. I have proven to you that it means "clouds" ...
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February 18 at 7:42pm · Like
Don Heath Christ is coming to earth so I doubt we'll be floating around up in the sky somewhere.

However, either way, on the ground or floating in the sky, it really doesn't matter.

We will be gathered to Christ at the 7th trump, which is the last ...
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February 18 at 7:42pm · Like · 1
Don Heath Idiom - is an expression, word, or phrase that has a figurative meaning that is comprehended in regard to a common use of that expression that is separate from the literal meaning or definition of the words of which it is made.
February 18 at 7:45pm · Like · 1
Myron Dafoe Actually Don, your definition is incorrect. In Hebrews Paul uses two different words. "Cloud" and "witnesses" are two different words. G3509 is used for cloud(which by the way is not G3507 that is used in Thessalonians for "clouds"), and G3144 is used for witnesses.
February 18 at 7:45pm · Like
Davionn Price I agree with Don Heath rather its in the sky, or on the ground it doesn't change the fact that we gather back to Christ at the 7th trump.
February 18 at 7:53pm via mobile · Like · 1
Don Heath The literal meanings of 3507 and 3509 are basically the same thing. The prime word for 3507 is 3509. They are both translated as cloud or clouds.

So that doesn't change the idiom or how it is used figuratively other than you could possibly see 3507 as being a larger bunch of clouds therefore when used as an idiom 3507 would be a larger group than 3509.
February 18 at 7:55pm · Like · 1
Myron Dafoe Thank you Don for stating that they are both translated as cloud or clouds.
February 18 at 8:17pm · Like
Don Heath Even in English we use that same Greek idiom for cloud or clouds.

If someone told you there were clouds of smoke, clouds of bees, clouds of locusts or clouds of mosquitoes we would understand the figure of speech meaning there's a large group or mass.

Obviously the Greeks used the same idiom with the word cloud or clouds before we even had an English language.
February 18 at 8:20pm · Like · 2
Myron Dafoe Explain why "air" is used in the same verse please.
February 18 at 8:22pm · Like
Jody Carver I think Myron believes he is gonna fly away and his mind is made up. He believes Christ is coming back twice.. He believes his church will not attend the tribulation which is fine, ill more than gladly stay behind b/c I will be delivered up...
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February 18 at 8:27pm · Like · 4
Myron Dafoe I bet my salvation on scripture, thank you. If you believe I can "earn" my salvation back over a 1,000 years, then let me do it. Be blessed.:)
February 18 at 8:35pm · Like · 2
Don Heath ‎Myron Dafoe I thought I explained this before, maybe in another thread.

Air is the Greek word Aer (Greek 109). It means the air that we breathe or breath or respire. It is equivalent to Hebrew word 7307 Ruwach - wind; by resemblance bre...
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February 18 at 8:36pm · Like · 2
Praise Yahshua Myron I don't know why you would risk wanting to fly away after Jesus stated in Matthew 24:23, where He said "If they say I'm here or there believe it NOT".
February 18 at 8:38pm · Like · 3
Myron Dafoe Don. >>>The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon

Strong's Number: 109

Original Word
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February 18 at 8:59pm · Like
Myron Dafoe PY. No one is going to tell me Jesus is here or there. I believe you have a bad understanding of rapture. He takes us in a twinkling of an eye. Nobody tells us where he is and then we decide to follow him. Plus, I am not risking anything. Be blessed.
February 18 at 9:20pm · Like
Praise Yahshua Myron there's a chapter I want you to pay special attention to and that's Jeremiah Chapter 48. You will see verses in 6-9 in particular that Moab doesn't put their trust in GOD and they seeked to "flee" away to save their lives. I will show...
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February 18 at 11:12pm via mobile · Like · 1
Matthew Kline Myron Dafoe you mentioned my name so I will respond the whole clouds and air thing is really kind of trivial the main point is the subject of 2 Thess 2 is the second coming of Christ not a secret rapture to fly away. Don't you want to be here to make a stand against the wicked one you should be ashamed of yourself not wanting stand in the day of battle!!!
February 19 at 5:33am · Like · 2
Myron Dafoe Py. Your reference to Moab is irrelevent to this coversation. Moab didn't trust in God. I do and I hope you do. They trusted in their deeds. I trust in God. And I know that not a hair on my head will be harmed during tribulation because Jesus takes me to heaven first.
February 19 at 5:59am · Like
Myron Dafoe When did I mention your name, Matthew?
February 19 at 6:03am · Like
Matthew Kline sorry Myron it was somebody else but again how do you change the subject of 2 Thess 2:1 to rapture and not second coming?
February 19 at 6:14am · Like · 1
Inga Dubbels Oy vey Myron Dafoe!!! lol
February 19 at 6:15am · Like
Myron Dafoe Matthew. I will go through 2 Thes 2 to see what it means.
February 19 at 6:18am · Like
Myron Dafoe ‎"Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him," verse 1
February 19 at 6:19am · Like
Myron Dafoe Paulis referring to the rapture here.
February 19 at 6:20am · Like
Myron Dafoe So "gathering" is referring to a meeting of Chistians.
February 19 at 6:22am · Like
Myron Dafoe ‎"That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand." verse 2
February 19 at 6:23am · Like
Inga Dubbels I have to add that in i Thes 4:17 where it says " and so shall we ever be with the Lord.", this should be a clue to the Rapture believers that there's not two comings of Jesus, only one spoken of in 2 Thes. 2:1, where it says "and [by] our gathering together unto him," yet another clue that 2 Thes is referring to that same return of Christ ONCE not twice!!
February 19 at 6:25am · Like · 1
Myron Dafoe Some Christians were worried that had missed the rapture. If the day of the Lord(tribulation) was already taking place, then that would mean they missed the rapture.
February 19 at 6:25am · Like
Myron Dafoe Inga. When weare raptured, we will beith Crist forever. We don't leave him again. We do return with him when he returns for the final judgement.
February 19 at 6:26am · Like
Inga Dubbels ‎Myron Dafoe Study harder, that's NOT what the Word tells us.
February 19 at 6:30am · Like · 2
Inga Dubbels II Thes was admittedly written to clarify I Thes because the church of then misunderstood and ran rampant with their "own imagination." Have you read the notes about this? Do you know why there's a 2 Thes? For the same reason as people are believing a falsehood today concerning some "secret sweeping away"
February 19 at 6:32am · Like · 1
Matthew Kline wow myron you better be careful of changing scripture it clearly says coming of our Lord Jesus Christ
February 19 at 6:32am · Like · 1
Myron Dafoe I have studied Inga. Your interpretation is different from what the word says.
February 19 at 6:33am · Like
Inga Dubbels But you know, what will be will be. God sent strong delusion and slumber upon Christians today, why? Because they wanted it! We can go round and round and rounda bout this and the folley-hearted, who follow after their own imagination will still look for an easy way out instead standing strong, reading God's Word and beng prepared to be an Overcomer!!
February 19 at 6:34am · Like · 1
Myron Dafoe Good point Inga. So end this barrageagainst mine and other God trusting people who know he will come for us. You have your beliefs and I have mine. So lets stop going round and round.
February 19 at 6:35am · Like
Inga Dubbels Wrong again Myron Dafoe - The Word plainly tells us that there is only one gathering back to Him and that is at the 7th trump. Now we've shown you in both books the facts and you follow after your own imagination. Now either you will choose to Stand strong in God's Word or you will fall to the delusion. Pray about it. I will pray this seed takes sprout!
February 19 at 6:36am · Like · 3
Myron Dafoe Thank you for the prayers. I have decided debating is unproductive in producing the love of God so I will not debate this subject anymore. I urge you to do the same. Refer to my latest thread please. :)
February 19 at 6:42am · Like
Inga Dubbels ‎Myron Dafoe Warning people about false doctrines and sharing the Word is never a waste of time. From what I've seen you start these discussions then back out or delete the threads when the outcome is not to your liking. Debates and argumen...
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February 19 at 8:02am · Like · 1
Myron Dafoe Inga, sharing opinions are great. Debating for days when neither party is willing to budge is unproductive. I have heard your arguments multiple times and do not agree with them. So lets agree to disagree and do what the Lord wants. Spread his message through love and not accusations or debates. Have a blessed day.
February 19 at 8:07am · Like
Kat Ryan ‎:: You can't spread God's love without revealing the TRUTH. 

So there is no agreeing to disagree when it comes to God's Word. For HIS WORD IS TRUTH. 

John 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was G...
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February 19 at 11:45am · Like · 1
Myron Dafoe I pray you show more love Kat. :)
February 19 at 5:10pm · Like

Todd T Rubick Well... As it often happens, when you ask and pray the answers are given. Right after I posted this, Melanie and I went to a wedding in Downtown Los Angeles at the most amazing (oldest church in LA) church and the Holy Spirit was truly amaz...
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February 20 at 7:05pm · Like · 2
Myron Dafoe ‎__Strongs_____

H6051 `anan aw-nawn'

from H6049;
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February 20 at 9:57pm · Like

Todd T Rubick Its not a real cloud... Its just the closet word... Rain and thunder clouds are controlled by YHVH. The Cloud that led Israel was YHVH manifesting himself to all so they could follow him. Its not a normal cloud. There is not a correct ...
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February 21 at 12:17am · Like · 2

Todd T Rubick If you want it to be a cloud, let it be a cloud... Just telling you what I have learned...
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Garret D. Stout
9 minutes ago
Garret D. Stout
  • Todd,

    Thanks for putting that study up on your site. I really do appreciate it. There is so much in it. The swords are important too. I've been checking them out closely for the past two years. Since just before P.O. 2011.

    I know how Myron is getting that the word is found just once other than in 1 Th 4:17. I see what he's saying, but he is also wrong too. Whenever you see a Strong's number with another number too. It is actually a Hebrew and/or Greek words that are brought together in that language. I didn't know this myself till I got the Green's Interlinear. I do know what Interlinear he uses too. It's Scripture4All. I'll leave a link to it. I didn't want to engage in the conversation till I have all the facts together. But the whole word in the Greek can be found in Mark 13:26, and 1 Thessalonians 4:17. That would be in the way of the Greek words. The thing he misses is the fact that it is part of another Greek word. So I wanted to put together a deep study into this, but time hasn't been too good for me lately. Getting ready to move. I gotta have the right ammo to back HIS Word. And in proper order. The link you provided is a part of the conversation I missed. I do watch the conversations. 

    http://www.scripture4all.org/

    I use this for Hebrew and Greek word searches. Then check it to the Green's Interlinear (4 volume set). Works good together too.

    Thanks again.

    May YAHSHUAH Bless the Latter Rain,
    Gary

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THE CLOUD DISCUSSION in THE RAPTURE MOVEMENT - Cloud in the Bible - Meanings - Strongs Concordance and my words... Feb 18th inspiration at a Wedding in LA.

        • I caught that he uses it in another comment in that same group. The word he was stating at that time was harpagEsometha (for being snatched away) out of the same verse. Which in itself is a word found only once in the Greek as a full word. But is part of another Greek word, again, the same concept as in the word "clouds". People don't realize that some words are joined together in other languages too. Just like a simple word "something" = some thing. That's a bad example, but the same concept.

      example, but the same concept.

  • Todd T Rubick
    19 minutes ago
    Todd T Rubick
    • Its like being in science class, but its just the words that we have always used. Step by step, back to the meanings that open the doors for all to be free. Thanks for the effort. 
      Its all starting to come together... I was trying to get him to undrestand why Our Father would ask us to stand for him at the end and not bail out on all... He couldnt understand it. When I thought the rapture was real, I knew I was staying behind to help the Jews... He wasnt thinking about it like that. Made me remember the Titanic scene. Chuck Smith says he will be 1st in line.

      https://sites.google.com/site/askelijah2243whyhisgodisyhvh/ask-elijah-cloud-means-more-than-you-think---rapture-debate---deuteronomy-1-33---strongs-concordance-bible-study---annan

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        • Yes, when you get into the meanings behind the English word... it brightens up. The same as with the sword in English. The English hides the fact that there are two different swords spoken of in the Greek. One is the machaira and the other is rhomphaia. The very interesting part... is that CHRIST YAHSHUAH'S sword is a rhomphaia, but Always mentioned as a sharp and/or sharp twoedged rhomphaia. Satan has a rhomphaia too!!! But the words sharp and/or twoedged is not mentioned with it. This word when mentioned... I think is very "spiritual". Check out the Greek for Revelation 6:8:

          Revelation 6:8
           And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword(G4501), and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

          This is a rhomphaia!!! and is of lies.

          Check it out. There is so much to it. And there is one area where a mistranslation is. That is Luke 22:36. And all you need to see it is the Strong's. It's so plain to see. Check it out closely. 

          Luke 22:36
          36) ThenG3767 saidG2036 he unto them,G846 
          ButG235 now,G3568 
          he that hathG2192 a purse,G905 
          let him takeG142 it, 
          andG2532 likewiseG3668 his(G2532) scrip:G4082 <(colon here)

          andG2532 he that hathG2192 noG3361 sword, <(check G3361)
          let him sellG4453 hisG848 garment,G2440 
          andG2532 buyG59 one.(G3162) <(a machaira)

          Check it out for yourself. There is also a verse after this into which one of the disciples say there are two swords. I see something interesting here. If you note what Peter does to the servant of the high priest, then what YAHSHUAH does (heals the ear). The meaning of the machaira goes two ways. One into which is the war in oneself (battle with the flesh). Where the machaira is the written Word of Our FATHER and is used to heal (getting rid of the sin - HIS Word cleanses us). The other machaira is a literal sword or the fleshy warring if you see what I mean. Peter chose to use the wrong sword. But for Peter's mistakes (FATHER used him) we learn so much. More than I feel he was given credit in years past. But because of the events transpiring now. Cephas, the other name of Peter into which CHRIST YAHSHUAH would call him. But, the name didn't begin to be used until CHRIST YAHSHUAH rose after three days. Also, who is it that "see's" CHRIST First after the resurrection!!! Cephas!!! This is why I have been so drawn into this study. There is so much more in it too. Cephas would go unto the circumcision... when? I feel that it was meant for the end times. Now. Plus, who tried to walk on water!!! Peter. That even says so much. FATHER is pointing to Peter/Cephas. And I know it's very important.

          The "swords" are important to understand too.

      • Garret D. Stout
        about an hour ago
        Garret D. Stout
        • May YAHSHUAH Bless the Latter Rain,
          Gary

      • Garret D. Stout
        about an hour ago
        Garret D. Stout
        • Isn't it something the verse Rev. 6:8 automatically throws in a smiley with sunglasses on.

      • Todd T Rubick
        a few seconds ago
        Todd T Rubick
        • http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/revelation/6-8.html he other machaira is a literal sword or the fleshy warring if you see what I mean. Peter chose to use the wrong sword. But for Peter's mistakes (FATHER used him) we learn so much. More than I feel he was given credit in years past. But because of the events transpiring now. Cephas, the other name of Peter into which CHRIST YAHSHUAH would call him. But, the name didn't begin to be used until CHRIST YAHSHUAH rose after three days. - ok explain the smiley face from this...

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          And I looked , and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth...

          1. Images for rhomphaia

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          2. Rhomphaia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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            The Rhomphaia was a close combat bladed weapon used by the Thracians as early as 400 BC. Most rhomphaias were polearms, featuring a straight or slightly ...
          3. Rhomphaia - New Testament Greek Lexicon - New American ... www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/nas/rhomphaia.html Greek lexicon based on Thayer's and Smith's Bible Dictionary plus others; this is keyed to the large Kittel and the "Theological Dictionary of the New Testament.
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            Rhomphaia - Description: The Rhomphaia was a close combat bladed weapon used by ... Although the rhomphaia was similar to the Falx, most archaeological ...
          5. Strong's Greek: 4501. ῥομφαία (rhomphaia


              • You can even search the machaira in images too. The image you have of the rhomphaia is the best that I've seen. The one with six of them in the image. 

                Todd,the swords do a lot of talking. If you look at the study, "Seeing the End (Telos) of Our Faith", you'll notice in the chart machaira links back to "habitations" having to do with Simeon and Levi. Check out what I pointed out in it to see for yourself. The rocks and/or stones keep in mind. I can't shake that connection, it's there. From Simon Barjonas / Peter / Cephas - all these names are used for Peter. What made me see this connection was studying about the swords, then Peters names that were used seem to point to the tribe of Simeon. So from the Blessing passed down from Jacob to Simoen and Levi together. Says so much more. You also have to look at what it had to do with (circumcision). And because of this that Simeon and Levi did Jacob would then leave that area and FATHER would at that point change his name to Israel. Remember the stones and what Jacob does. Very cool to see it. That was where I stopped with the study into that area. A selah, so to speak... I'm stopping to take a moment and then go further. 

                I know Pastor Murray has to know about this. The reason I say this is because of what he says to Revelation 6:8 - he called it out as a spiritual sword. Here are the two video's. Watch these in the same order:

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmnbCmD_RLs&feature=channel&list=UL

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                ‎*God's Elect should now be warning the people about the coming of antichrist.....
            • Garret D. Stout
              about an hour ago
              Garret D. Stout
              • I'm not sure, I think I did, but the word "habitations used in Genesis 49:5 is a one time occurrence. 

                H4380
                מכרה
                mekêrâh
                Total KJV Occurrences: 1
                habitations, 1
                Gen_49:5

                Genesis 49:5-7
                5) Simeon and Levi are brethren; instruments of cruelty are in their habitations.
                6) O my soul, come not thou into their secret; unto their assembly, mine honour, be not thou united: for in their anger they slew a man, and in their selfwill they digged down a wall.
                7) Cursed be their anger, for it was fierce; and their wrath, for it was cruel: I will divide them in Jacob, and scatter them in Israel.

                I have a chart I put together for the stages of the locust. It's in PDF form, and different from what some others have. I didn't want to post it maybe I will, but I want to have a closer look at it. I shared it with Karen and Toni Reed. I'd like to share it with you also. If you utilize all the Hebrew words found in the Strong's it seems to fit like a glove. Interestingly, the way that it comes together is as a seed of a locust then it works up in the stages of the life cycle of a locust (instar stages). Do you have an email address I can send it to? I'm gonna take another look at it before posting it publicly. I've had this for a little more than a year if I remember correctly. 

                In CHRIST YAHSHUAH,
                Gary

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