How MCI doctors medical education
Dinesh C. Sharma New Delhi, July 10, 2009 Comment Buzz up! Share Facebook!Digg it!Newsvine!Reddit!Del.icio.us!Technorati!StumbleUpon!RSS Feed
“Inspector Raj” at the Medical Council of India (MCI), which is supposed to regulate medical colleges in the country, has reached its nadir. In cases that establish the blatant abuse of power and violation of rules, the council recently allowed “altering” of inspection reports of two medical colleges.
The two cases clearly show how MCI”s bosses can have inspection reports tailor made to suit their vested interests. They also highlight the whimsical manner in which the council functions, sometimes ignoring its own rules and regulations to suit a particular situation. While deciding on the compliance aspects of the two medical colleges, the executive committee of the MCI took decisions based on letters submitted by one inspector, instead of full inspection reports submitted by teams of three inspectors each.
This violated several Supreme Court directives which said that the MCI Act and Regulations are “mandatory and binding”. Inspection reports are the crux of the council”s functioning. Recognition and derecognition of medical colleges or the increase in the number of seats are based on them. The first case relates to Sree Balaji Medical College and Hospital, Chennai, which hit the headlines recently for allegedly charging huge capitation fee. An investigation by MAIL TODAY into inspections carried out by the MCI for processing the college”s application to increase the number of seats from 100 to 150 has revealed that the inspection process has been completely subverted. Two most important criteria for increasing the MBBS intake of an existing medical college are its strength of teaching faculty and bed occupancy in the hospital attached to it. An inspection carried out at Sree Balaji Medical College and Hospital in April by MCI inspectors found a shortage of 28.4 per cent in teaching faculty and 45 per cent gap in bed occupancy. This was way above the MCI norms which say that faculty shortage should be below 5 per cent and hospital bed occupancy should be 80 per cent.
Sree Balaji then sent a compliance report claiming that most of the faculty members had gone to attend the funeral of a faculty member”s husband. The death had occurred on the day of the inspection. The bed occupancy, it said, was low because patients had got themselves discharged to attend a local festival on the day of the inspection. On May 13, the MCI wrote to three of its inspectors to carry out an inspection to verify these claims. It was carried out promptly two days later, on May 15. In the inspection the shortage of teaching staff fell dramatically to 0.4 per cent (from 28.4 per cent in April) and bed occupancy rose to 80 per cent (from 45 per cent in April), meeting the MCI”s criteria. The subsequent developments were equally dramatic. The inspectors ” Dr Sunil Agarwal, Dr H. Sivaprasad and Dr MCR Vyas ” wrote a report datelined Chennai on May 15.
But the report was not submitted to the MCI office right away. As per the diary entries, it was submitted on May 29. In this report — a copy of which is in possession of Mail Today — crucial details relating to hospital beds and staff strength are filled up by hand. These pages bear the signature of only one inspector, Vyas. Only the handwritten covering letter and the last page of the report carry signatures of all three inspectors. The other pages are initialled by Vyas alone. According to a directive of the health ministry, each page of an inspection report must be signed by all three inspectors. The report was circulated among members of the MCI”s executive committee. A meeting on this issue had been scheduled for June 10 and 11. Meanwhile, Vyas had a change of heart. Almost as an afterthought, he wrote a “letter” to the MCI on June 2, saying that as many as 19 faculty members did not have the requisite experience and hence did not fulfil other MCI norms. They should, therefore, not be counted as Sree Balaji”s teaching staff. One does not know how Vyas got these details when he did not carry out any fresh inspection. But, the shortage of teaching faculty shot up to ” more than 5 per cent” from 0.4 per cent in three days. In effect, the medical college had once again failed to meet MCI norms. Even though Vyas had sent a “letter” ” not an inspection report as required under MCI rules ” which was not signed by the other inspectors, the executive committee in its meeting on June 10 and 11 promptly accepted it. It then recommended to the health ministry on June 14 that Sree Balaji”s application for increasing MBBS intake from 100 to 150 be rejected. “This is completely against rules because the executive committee is supposed to take a decision based on the report of inspectors and not on the basis of a mere letter by only one inspector. It clearly shows inspection reports can be manipulated,” a top MCI official said on the condition of anonymity. “The letter is illegal and it was post dated. There is no diary entry for it.” The somersault by the MCI on Sree Balaji was actually prompted by the media glare on the college for allegedly demanding capitation fee for medical seats. In such a situation, the MCI did not want to be seen as favouring the college by increasing its MBBS intake.
The second glaring example of “Inspector Raj” is that of Bhaskar Medical College, Hyderabad, which had applied for renewal of permission for admission of a fifth batch of students. An inspection carried out by three inspectors ” Dr Sushma Vashisht, Dr A. R. Parikh and Dr Pradeep Garg ” on May 22 found that the shortage of teaching staff was 4.67 per cent. This qualified the college for renewal. Again, as was done by Vyas in the case of Sree Balaji, Vashisht wrote a “letter” on June 5 saying the report of the May 22 inspection had “inadvertently missed out” details of 19 teachers who could not be accepted as members of teaching faculty for lack of requi- site experience. Therefore, the shortage of staff in the college now stood at 8. 18 per cent (it was 4.67 per cent in the report submitted on June 5). It is surprising that Vashisht wrote the letter on June 5 — the same day she submitted the inspection report of May 22. Once again, as in the Sree Balaji case, the executive committee chose to act on Vashisht”s letter — which was signed by her alone — and not the inspection report of May 22 which was signed by three inspectors. Based on this letter, the council decided not to renew the permission for admission of the fifth batch of Bhaskar Medical College students.
“We don”t know want happened between the submission of the positive report of May 22 and the letter of June 5 which turned the inspection result to negative. But the way this happened raises suspicion,” said an official. The MCI inspectors concerned refused to comment on the issue saying it was an internal matter of the council. In response to queries posed earlier, MCI president Dr Ketan Desai had maintained that there was nothing wrong with the functioning of the council and that he had been cleared of all corruption charges by the judiciary. Mail Today had earlier reported how Desai maintains a vice-like grip on the inspection process and other functions of the council. Current Rating | Bad 1 2 3 4 5 (Click star to rate article) Good (2 votes) Post comments on this story Comment: Name : Place : E-mail : Display E-mail Id: Yes No Enter the Code Shown: Posted by: sonali shimla | July 20, 2009 | 20:11 IST An eye opener article. Govt should scrap MCI immediately and some other authority like UGC should be entrusted this job as suggested by HRD minister
SC slams med colleges on hiking capitation seats Dhananjay Mahapatra, TNN 9 July 2009, 01:17am IST Print Email Discuss Bookmark/Share Save Comment Text Size: | NEW DELHI:
The Supreme Court on Wednesday gave vent to its outrage on private medical and dental colleges subverting merit by diverting state quota seats to the management quota in order to charge stiff capitation fees from students. “Every year, this is happening. We know how these tricks are played on students every year,” said a Bench comprising Chief Justice K G Balakrishnan and Justices P Sathasivam and J M Panchal as it proposed to initiate contempt proceedings against three private medical and dental colleges in Madhya Pradesh.
The outburst against the state of affairs in private medical colleges – which many parents say charge astronomical figures like Rs 25 lakh a seat – reflects issues raised by a recent TOI-Times Now expose on a capitation fee scam in two professional institutions in Tamil Nadu. The observation against the Madhya Pradesh colleges came after the state government and students said that despite a clear direction from the SC on May 27 to these medical and dental colleges, they had refused to admit applicants despite their figuring in the merit list of the state conducted common entrance test (CET). The private colleges had sought to hike the number of capitation seats by misappropriating the state quota. Appearing for the students, senior advocate Indu Malhotra told the Bench that the SC had split the seats into 50:50 for the state and the management after leaving out 15% of the total seats for management to fill under NRI quota. Senior advocate Ravishanker Prasad said the three colleges — Modern Dental College and Research Centre, Indore; R D Gardi Medical College, Ujjain and People’s College of Dental Science and Research Centre, Bhopal — had filled up all the seats taking them as management quota and left nothing for those students who had cleared CET. “This is a clear overreach of the SC’s orders,” he said.
A furious CJI asked senior advocate A M Singhvi whether his client college had scrupulously adhered to the May 27 order of the SC. Singhvi, supported by other senior advocates, tried to pacify the CJI by arguing that earlier apex court orders wanted the colleges to complete the admissions by May 25 and because of this the seats were filled up. But the CJI wanted a clear answer. “Did you (the colleges) scrupulously adhere to the May 27 order of the Supreme Court?” The Bench then passed the order saying the three colleges were alleged to have admitted students to more than their entitlement, that is 50% of the seats. “This is apparently in clear violation of the May 27 order of this court.
All three colleges will file their specific affidavits stating whether or not they have complied with the Supreme Court’s May 27 order,” the Bench said and posted the matter for further hearing on July 16. firstname.lastname@example.org Permalink Posted on: Fri, Aug 28 2009 9:08 AM
By aimdda MCI scrapped, single council for medical education SEETHALAKSHMI S, TNN 28 August 2009, 12:22am IST Print Email Discuss Bookmark/Share Save Comment Text Size: | BANGALORE:
In a complete overhaul aimed at cleansing the medical education system in the country, a task force of the Union health ministry has Related videos More Videos » decided to scrap all regulatory bodies, including the Medical Council of India, Dental Council of India, Pharmacy Council and the Nursing Council, sources revealed. ( Watch Video ) There will instead be a single regulatory body – National Council for Human Resources in Health – which will oversee seven departments related to medicine, nursing, dentistry, rehabilitation and physiotherapy, pharmacy, public health/hospital management and allied health sciences, sources involved in the revamp process said on Thursday.
The move now needs a formal government notification. This will not only perform the regulatory functions but also carry out assessment and accreditation of medical and health institutions across the country. Simply put, the council will coordinate the entire gamut of medical and health education in India. This will include drafting courses and the period of study, including practical training, subjects of examination and standards of proficiency, conditions for admissions to courses, provide guidelines on curriculum planning, monitoring and overseeing implementation of UG/PG courses with flexibility for local specific modules. “Medical education today is dictated by bank balance and caste. The existing councils, besides being unwieldy, have failed to provide a synergistic approach. There is an urgent need for innovation in health-related education. It is unfortunate that medical seats are auctioned in front of students today. This is the best surgical solution for cleansing the system,” a source told TOI.
The report which was discussed with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on August 26, 2009 by the task force states: “Professional councils such as the MCI/ Nursing and Pharmacy Councils have been set up to regulate the practice of their respective professions, including education. However, many of these councils have drawn criticism from all sections of society and got judicial censure on several occasions.” The council will be constituted as an autonomous body independent of government controls with adequate power, including quasi-judicial. Private medical colleges also place a heavy burden of fees on students and their admissions procedures are not transparent.
The curricula of medical schools both public and private are not designed for producing `social physicians’, the report said. Sources said the Centre will now take this move to all the states before implementing it. On its part, the Union health ministry has already readied a draft bill titled The National Council for Human Resources in Health Draft Bill, 2009. NATIONAL EXIT TEST Though all central and state universities shall conduct their own examinations and award degrees, the national council will conduct national-level exit examinations to standardise UG/PG medical and allied health courses. This screening examination shall be mandatory for students who have successfully completed UG from a foreign institution that is not recognised by the council. With this, the National Board of Examinations (NBE) shall be archived.
- DNB PG Doctors of the National Board of Examinations.
Executive Director, National Board of Examinations.
Extremely low pass out rate:
Pass results of DNB final examination for the award of D.N.B. degree for various specialities over the last 7 years, have hardly been more than 15 – 25%.
Candidates appearing for DNB final exam reach that stage through three proper channels.
Channel 1 – DNB primary candidates – Candidates who clear the DNB CET administered by the Board after MBBS degree and then completing 3 years of training in Board recognised training hospitals and institutions.
Channel 2 – DNB secondary candidates – Candidates who have completed a post graduate diploma and after 2 years of extra training in Board recognised hospitals and institutions.
Channel 3 – Candidates who have completed MD/MS from other Indian universities – appear directly for the final exam.
Thus, 75 – 85 % of the candidates appearing for the final exam after clearing the screening stage of the board and completing appropriate recognised training fail to pass the final DNB exam, which means either the screening test and the training are not up to the standards or the exam pattern is outdated and doesn’t test the candidates acquired skills properly. In this case the latter appears to be true as many candidates are able to pass reputed foreign exams like the royal college exams during their period of DNB training, but fail to clear the DNB final exams.
The reason stated is that the DNB final exams rarely depicts the published board syllabus and the exam pattern is largely descriptive, outdated and scientifically invalid. The dates of the theory and practical parts of the exam are not published in due time for the candidates to prepare effectively for the exams. This along with the long waiting period between the theory exam and the publishing of the results makes the candidates anxious and reduces the performance during the practical exam which follows very shortly after the publishing of the theory results. The practical exams are conducted erratically with no fixed dates and venues. There are numerous instances, where practical exam venues were cancelled and few unfortunate instances, where practical exam results were cancelled after the conducting of exams forcing the candidates to reappear for the exam. This is adding up to the misery of the already stressed exam going candidates leading to a suboptimal performance by the candidates.
The outdated exam pattern and the extremely low pass out rate has made the board lose it’s credibility as a convener of uniform International standards to medical education in India.
We the undersigned request you to take necessary steps to:
Make the exam more scientific and test the acquired skills of the trainees in a subjective way.
In this era of information and technology, the National Board website is never up to date to provide required information to the candidates at the right time. The national board website is filled with contradictory statements and erroneous information. The website goes down when many candidates login to the site during times of publishing of results and downloading application forms.
The National board has failed to capitulate on the power of the internet to provide information to the trainees, manage their registration, applications for exams, delivery of the results and collection of fees for various services.
We the undersigned request you to take necessary steps to:
Employ dedicated personnel to update and manage the national board website and keep it as error free as possible.
The Board has given permission to the recognised hospitals and institutes to collect a maximum fees of Rs. 50,000. (Tuition Fees Rs.15, 000 + Library Fees Rs. 5, 000 + Six Monthly Appraisal Fees Rs.10, 000 + Accommodation Charges Rs.10, 000 + Guest Lecture and Seminar Fees Rs.10, 000 ) It is a common occurrence that the institutes either charge the trainees more or fail to provide the trainees with facilities that they are charged for.
The board has directed the recognised hospitals and institutes in Dec 2006 to pay DNB trainees a stipend equivalent to that of the respective State Govt. administered institutes MD/MS/DM/MCh trainees. The minimum stipend to be paid for the DNB trainees in broad speciality is 10,000; 11,000 and 12,000 respectively for years 1 to 3. The super speciality trainees are paid 14,000; 15,000 and 16,000 respectively for years 1 to 3. If the State Govt. stipend is higher, the recognised institutes should pay the “higher” stipend according to the board and if the State Govt. stipend is lower, then the board’s minimum recommendation should be implemented. Many institutes have failed to provide the trainees with the stipend in the board recommended format.
With inflation lingering around 8 – 10 % per annum and the board not specifying a percentage increase in the stipend for the trainees, they are underpaid with every passing year.
We the undersigned request you to take necessary steps to:
Monitor if the recognised hospitals and institutes collect the fees and pay stipend to the trainees in the recommended format.
In spite of the National Board which is governed by the Ministry of Health, Government of India issuing couple of G.O’s since 1994 regarding the equivalence of the DNB degree in par with that of the MD/MS/DM/MCh issued by other Indian universities, the MCI fails to recognise the holders of DNB degree as equal to MD/MS/DM/MCh for appointment as teachers. The MCI requirement for DNB holders for appointment as teachers is that they should complete extra 1 year of training in a recognised medical college for broad speciality and 2 years of training in super speciality.
This requirement is unnecessary, discriminatory and undermines the core values on which the National Board was found: to provide a bench mark standard to Indian medical education, meeting international standards. It is disappointing to note that MCI, by imposing this additional requirement has failed miserably to contribute towards the standardisation and improvement of medical education in India, which would directly improve the health care of all the citizens of India.
We the undersigned request you to take necessary steps to:
Issue clear and definitive directives to the MCI to provide equal status to DNB degree holders in par with that of holders of MD/MS/DM/MCh in all aspects including appointment as teachers.
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Dr. K. P. Saha, “All the above demands are perfect and should be fulfilled as soon as possible.”
challa sivasankar reddy
Dr. Karhade, “The above demands are perfectly rational and should be given a thought and an immediate action.”
dr chaturesh tripathi, “right step!unlike MDs here even if you manage to pass theory after many attempts you are not sure you will get through in practicals in given three attempts. your study and experence does’nt count here. “
Dr.Nimish Agarwal, “IT is a very good & positive step but how and when is it going to be put forward”
dr kiran, “This is a very essential step.. how actually this petition going to be put forward”
dr manoj shirure, “all points raised are right. perticularly about its status as compare to MD MS”
DR BHUPINDER SINGH GUJRAL, “THERE SHOULD BE MULTIPLE CHOICE QUESTIONS AS IS THE APPROACH FOLLOWED BY MANY OTHER INTERNATIONAL EXAMS.THIS WILL ENSURE FAIRNESS AND JUSTICE.PLEASE MAKE EXAMINATION MORE TRANSPARENT AND SCIENTIFIC.”
Dr.Robin Cintury, “yes!its correct there must be consideration as India is not a place to look for carrier for those who do hard work but only for those who have money with political back up”
Dr. Amol Madave
dr.deepak, “yes I fully agree and support the above issues and also change the dnb award to MD/MS.”
dr swati dwivedi, “i fully support d petition….especialy4 better results n saalary”
rajbal, “i completely agree with the above petition and appreciate the person who started this movement”
Dr.Ismail Malik, “my suggestion to the board is . PLEASE CHANGE THE DEGREE AWARDED AS , M.S/M.D( SPECIALITY)NBE .NOT AS DNB(SPECIALITY).PEOPLE STILL CONSIDER THIS DNB AS diploma degree and inferior to MASTERS “
Dr Robin Abraham, “I totally support the above petition. Robin Abraham”
dr rabiya bano, “change the ways of haphazard functioning of nbe. how the same examiners give 100% result in MD/MS/DM/MCh”
dr md shadab, “nbe should ensure 90%-100% pass in theory & 90%-85% pass in practicals. nbe should understand the futility of preventing so many highly qualified doctors in a country like India from serving the people.”
rishu garg, “pls consider over problems as soon possible..”
dr phad, “DNB AUTHORITIES MUST KEEP STANDARDS THAT DNB DEGREE DESERVES.WE NEED A GODFATHER TO RAISE THESE ISSUES IN THE ASSEMBLY.I PERSONALLY SUPPORTS THIS PETITION. “
Dr.Asit C, “INSPITE OF A GAZETTE NOTIFICATION THERE IS NO CHANGE ITH THE ADMINISTRATORS OF MEDICAL COLLEGES”
dr indu verma, “MCI / NBE = please equate DNB and MD or SCRAP NBE.”
dnbdoctors.com, “Lets make it pan india movement”
Nithin, “I fully suppourt the above said… it is long time we acted..”
dr s h khan, “Ministry of health and Govt of India — Give DNB doctors due recognition as teachers, direct the MCI — otherwise dissolve the NBE & release these doctors from their plight to an uncertain future.”
Dr. Prajakta Tungare, “I fully support the above said and hope it does not fall on deaf ears.”
dr.vitthal patel, “I completely agree to whatever is said in the petition, and would like to congratulate the person who started this movement. “
dr ravi kumar, “please increase the passing rate of dnb final exam at par with M.D/M.S exam conducted by the university to reduce harrassment to students and increase the number of specialist doctors in india.”
dr avika kanathia, “I strongly support the above said.request your kind attention to it.thank you.”
GAURAV GARG, “i fully agree with the points put up here. we need to change the present senerio..”
priyanka, “on one hand we say india is a developing country but on other hand we restrict the growth of good and competent health personnels who add to the welfare of this country..pls judge it rationally and opine ..”
dr manish gupta, “all points made above are right and Govt. of India should take steps to make DNB and MD/MS euivalent in teaching Hospitals and at al levels.”
dr.athar , “i m a beginner and want to gather as much as information as i can . so all my seniors plz do help me, to sail through my carreer. thanks”
Annie , “pls do the needful”
Dr.p.srinivas reddy, “why they are taking too much time for giving results,it is just killing the time and interest of the students which indirectly will kill students.”
Dr.Venugopal, ” One thing i would like to remind to all those who are responsible for creating these struggling situations for the future youngsters is that they will not have a peaceful death. “
dr aarti kapoor, “i am one of the victim”
Dr. Nirav Desai
dr shobhna, ” if the dnb board fails eighty percent of students then why allowing dnb course in every second hospital not fulfilling the criterion”
harpreet, “i have failed twicw might be third time so what next i can do to pass “
DR.MANISH NAIR, “i agree that a lot has to be done to improve the DNB curriculam include the Exam pattern.”
hemanth kumar, “mci does not consider dnb holders as assistant proff even after one year post dnb and even after govt of india order with regard to equalence”
raviranganath, “i agree”
rajendra dnyandeo jangle, “I have passed dnb primary… After reading the petition, I think its hard time to come in my life.And I am ready for it.”
Rajesh Vijayan, “DNB office telephone line is never availabeits always”u r in Q please wait”finally the person who answers doesnt know english. More academic programmes.to know exactly what is required of the candidates”
Dr Amit Agrawal, “dnb also recommended about working hours butmost of the institutes donot follow them, most institutes make dnbs work much more than recommended time and no extra payments or leaves are given against the extra work done. “
Dr Mayur k Dhake., “To my hard working collegues, stay united success is assured. “
Dr Prasanna Kumar S, “MCI is acting like crazy they arre very mean in not equating DNB with MD/ MS “
dr.ambujavalli, “ya i agree yours views”
drjoyal shah, ” Exam pattern has to be changed to more mcQ sort of thing so that there can be no bias results as was the case this time in 2008. “
Dr. Kedar Kulkarni., “I fully agree. Presently I am victim of the superspeciality final theory exam of December 2008″
Dr Gaurav Singh
Dr.siddartha palli, “YES I FULLY AGREE WITH THE PETITION,AND SUPPORT IT.THERE IS NO TRANSPERENCY IN SELECTIONS IN SOME HOSPITALS.STUDENTS UNDERGO LOT OF HARD WORK ,STRESS AND SPEND PRIME TIME TO COMPLETE THEIR UG AND DIPLOMAS “
Dr Akshay Kumar Saxena, “I fully agree with all that has been written and said here and sincerely hope that some highere regulatory authority comes and does something.”
Dr.Anuj gupta, “I STRONGLY SUPPORT THIS plus i demand a same yard stic-i.e. COMMON EXAMINATION SYSTEM FOR PASSING DEGREE OF DNB & MD/MS TRAINEES (kaun kitnae pani mai hai) (like in US USMLE is mandatory for foreign & their own candidate)”
DR RAJESH GAYAKWAD
ramcharan reddy, “Please make the examination system more transparent,scrutiny all the institutes who run DNB, check them from collecting a hefty capitation fee, increse the pass rate of the exams to a minimum of 50% and get the results declared early”
dr.trapti, “fully agree”
Dr mistun banerjee, “I strongly support the petition”
dr prateek goyal, “i agree,specially the final result of few branches (ortho,anaesthesia)is hardly 10 % it shd be 50% for all branches essentially.”
faquih m arshad
dr pragati arora, “ya i m do agree with u all.dnb passing % should improve at least 60%..”
dr.sunil kumar, “for improving the passing percentage internal assessment should be the strong criteria of at least 25%.”
DR. SANAP NARAYAN, “I agree with the issues that national board should pay attention to improve quality and resolve problems. I support to forum to go ahead to wakeup board about issues. I appeal to join forum in strong numbers.”Everybody should fight for right!”"
Ram Narayan, “This petition reflects the burning issues to be managed by the DNB board, so that the undue suffering of DNB candidates can be attended.”
Amit Kr , “i think DNB board is useless.they are creating only hurdles in producing specialist doctors in India and things are getting worst every year.god knows when things will improve.wish u all the best for your efforts.”
dr rahul talele, “i lend mine full suppport… goo dwork by the forum keep it up.!!! “
Dr.Sailendra Chakravarthy, “Lets fight for this righteous march. All DNBs should unite and show the country the right direction.”
Dr Delphina Paul
s.visagan, “yes.i do agree and hope things will get better in near future.”
dr pradeep kumar jha, “it is high time improve pass percentage to atleast 75%.”
dr kumar rahul
nidhi, “i hope this petition will help.i appreciate this work i m doing dnb medicine,please be united for this cause,if time needs we will be on road for rallyinf&fighting for this.”
Rajeena, “This is really a good work , who has taken the initiative, And this will be the right place where some one can clear his/her doupts Thanks for all who support this and make this sucess.”
Daga Sachin, “DNB exit exam for superspecility should be conducted twice in year”
MANOJ KUMAR, “I appreciate the efforts of the forum.thanks “
Mohan, “Bangalore Medical College fails to recognise DNB as equivalent to MD, even after the gazette. Poor administrative knowledge, non inclusive and non progressive ideas.., such human beings should be eradicated as Mr. Smith said in ‘The Matrix’”
Ajeet Kumar Verma, “DNB is one of the toughst exams of India. But candidate do not get recognition even after passing the course. your efforts are wanted from long time and now has seen the light of the day. Iappreciate youe recommondations.”
Dr. Abhay I Jain, “Its the feelings and anguish of the DNB students taht this petition speaks. i lend my full support to the movement”
Dr. D K Tripathy
Abhishek, “doing a good work guys. keep it up”
Martin.G, “Nice petition.Any change in any system needs united relentless fight.Together we will move mountains. LETS MAKE THINGS BETTER.”
T.Mahesh, ” i really appreciate the revolutionist; as many are sugessting court of law intervention is needed to stop all disputes; my support is your stength.”
raghavendra c v
DEEPA EASOW, “IN SPITE OF A NOTIFICATION COMING IN THE GAZETTE OF INDIA THE MCI DOES NOT ACCEPT THAT DNB IS EQUIVALENT TO MD.I HOPE THAT SOMETHING IS DONE TO END THIS STATE OF AFFAIRS SOON!”
Dr.Riju R, “All of us sjould try and ask the concerned ministry to take up the issue in parliament and pass an ammendment. Only then the MCI will accept such a sittuation. “
dr shantanu mishra, “Time has arrived that we all take some decisive steps in this direction as our future hinges on them.i completely support this petition”
arpita gangwani, “make the NBE website more useful bu adding last 10 years question banks and tips regarding writing theory papers “
Dr. Smita Gautam, “Dr. Smita Gautam. this is really needed.. kindly update ..”
DR.PA.D.R.N.REDDY., “The passing percentage is low after 3 years of hard work. why?”
Dr.Smita, “I completely support this petition. People have started getting worried of passing finals even before filling up primary forms… thats rediculous. “
Dr. Puneet Maheshwari, “please update the status of this petition….what is the current status of this….how far have we reached in our aim….best of luck to all”
dr sarika, “we all are in support with this petition.”
Dr. Amit Choudhari
Dr.P.Thirunavukkarasu, “I support this venture full heartedly Hope this comes a success”
riddhi vardhan, “may god help us !!!!!!”
dr sandeep rai, “Issue clear and definitive directives to the MCI to provide equal status to DNB degree holders in par with that of holders of MD/MS/DM/MCh in all aspects including appointment as teachers.”
Dr. Gurupreet Singh Bhui, “i don’t know really, why passing rate of DNB is so low, but i think we will improve it.”
rajeev agarwal, “LRT US ALL FIGHT TO END THIS UNJUST DISCRIMINATION BY THE MCI.”
Nishant Kumar Shukla, “I have to choose a branch of my choice for a pg diploma, which might will depend on my statistical chances of clearing dnb broad speciality in that subjet.. pitiable but it is so.. Someone Help the system”
meghanath, “hope for a positive prospect for us”
KUMUDINI PATHAK, “i don’t know why the passing rate is so low I hope it will improve”
Dr RAJESH SWARNAKAR, “Lets unite”
Rizwan ahamed m n , “please do the needful sir , “
Dr.Karthiraj, “good effort….. hope all dnb students will join this initiative for our well being…. “
dr niraj kumar, “passing percentage must be increased.”
dr s adinarayanan DA; DNB, “when are you going to send this this is great if it can be achieved “
Dr Kiran Nerkar
nanu, “Despite many orders of GOI regarding the equivalence of the DNB degree at par with that of the MD/DM for appointment as teachers MCI fails to recognise this and imposes discriminatory requirement to complete extra 1/2 year of research. Is MCI above GOI?”
Raghav, “Take necessary steps to -Issue clear and definitive directives to the MCI to provide equal status to DNB degree holders in par with that of holders of MD/MS/DM/MCh in all aspects including appointment as teachers.”
dr. aashish pathak
Dr.Jigar Mehta, “”i strongly support this petition congrats to the person who started this “”
dr anubhav naik
Dr.B.Mahash Kumaar, “There is no protracted teaching sessions for DNB candidates as like in medical colleges ; Can anything be done for it”
dr.vinayak k patki
DivyashreeK.R, “Please let us know the thestatus of MCI recognition and requirements for the same.”
Dr Vikram, “I concur.”
sabin roy, “hope and pray that our wishes come true and this effort make a huge difference and natuional board should understand that exams are conducted to pass students and not on only purpose to fail students”
Dr Shiji Thomas Varghese, “Sir, hope this prayer to you, to open your eyes to the misery, we suffer, after being known as PG trainees,and not completing the course,will certainly be answered.Most of us are 30 and above and have families to take care of. “
Dr. Virendra Agrawal, “Kindly answer my petition as soon as posssible. In anticipation that the needful will be done. Thanking you in advance.”
dr.parveen, “i support this completely as many people hesitate to join dnb because of low pass percentage. kindly consider our requests.”
tenzin famo bodh
dr snehal, “i suport it fully”
pragish, “i fully support this petition”
dr vivekkareer dnb radiology final year resident, “good move”
Dr.Balasubramanian.N.T.R., “I strongly agree with the facts listed in the petition Dr.Balasubramanian.N.T.R”
dr abhishek pande, “hope the authority wil take necessary actionn to solve above problems as soon as possible”
dr.aashaylkekatpure, “i strongly support you all”
dr.krishna mahathi , “All the facts stated here should be considered seriously”
dr.puneet kumar, ” i m with all of u to maintain our dnb dignity and will fight for our rights as per the unanimous decisions of we all. “
mohammed rafi, “i approve with the above said words”
sangeetha, “i strongly support this petition”
Hemavathi.D, “i completely support the petition.I am doing DNB in family medine and the board is conducting only yearly exams which has discourage many students to takeup this course.so i kindly request the concerned authority to take this issue seriously . “
ashvinee khair, “I completely support the petition!STOP HARASSING STUDENTS!Institues should stop takin undue advantage of students”
Dr Alok, “I fully support this petition as i am looking forward to DNB for pursuing my pg but these disparities n uncertainities forces me to think against it..to stop brain drain from our country n to improve our healthcare system..these changes r a must.”
Dr. Gautam Sharma, “i Fully support these issues.”
Dr.M.K.Gayasuddin, “i have joined DNB- FAMILY MEDICINE now iam worried because many of my dnb fellow students have left the course iam worried about my future with dnb.”
Dr V Sunil, “I agree with the above petition. Let there be a clear criteria for entry and exit exams, in terms of theory and practical skills to be attained.”
Dr Sandhya Seshadri, “Stop exploitation of DNB candidates.Please do have some consideration over us doctors who dedicate our life for the wellbeing of humanity.Allow us to make progress and serve people better.”
Jyoti Jain, “Such a low pass rate is very discouraging after three years of hardwork. “
Dr Madhumati Varma, “DNB want money only to reduce passing %.We should pass petition that after 2 attempt of final theory exam or after fix no. of attempt exam free of cost or candidate declaire pass.these will reduce exploitation of student of appearing in final exam “
DR Madhumati Varma, “I think DNB want money in sence of repited exam not more then that.”
Dr Manish Guota, “I support the petition whole heartedly, reform in the system of examination, as it takes around > 6months for a candidate to pass the exams!!”
Dr.Manu.G.N., “I personally feel that if this trend of pass percentage continues the no of PGs dropping out of DNB will increase”
Dr Mohamed Haroon Rashid, “Yes, I do agree, and support the petition”
rahul gupta, “It is very unfortunate that despite competetion and hard work DNB candidates face harrasment and discriminATION”
Dr.Sathya Prakash.M, “The idea of any educational system is to facilitate the process of learning and by which passing.But it appears the hidden agenda of DNB board and its panel of examiners is to hinder this process.Whole system is quite atrocious! “
dr.premnivas, “passing percentage should be more”
devendra pratap singh
dr syed kamaluddin ahmed, “it takes so much of hardwork and effort to clear dnb exam & after clearing it its rediculous to hear that mci does not recognise it.govt should do somthing so that dnb degree holders are not insulted like this”
dr reny kamboj, “please stop discriminatory and biased rules and regulations of mci and consider all intellectuals equally.”
dr.amaradeep g, “The passing percentage should be more lenient.congrats to the person who started this “
Dr Ashok kumar, “”PRACTICAL CENTER SHOUD BE SO ALLOTTED THAT THERE SHOULDN’T BE NY LANGUAGE PROBLEM”
Dr Sandeep Kulkarni, “‘EXAMS IN DERMATOLOGY AND VENEREOLOGY SHOULD BE CARRIED OUT TWICE IN A YEAR’”
dr prathima, “DNB radiotherapy exams must be conducted every 6 months.The passing percentage should be more lenient.”
indu k nair
Kumar Parth, “Feeling comfortable to hear,that a lot of dnb candidates are with me.Together we will do it.We will prove our self the best.I am with you all”
dr sakshi manchanda, “good effort. hope the national board wakes up! also raise the issue of holding the practical exam in same region”
dr abdullah soud, “very-very good effort.”
Dr Shitalkumar Surana
dr varun pratap singh, “I prefer if add to increase the passing percentage equal to any medical college reults”
dr amit agrawal
dr muzaffar mujahid, “main akela hi chala tha janibe manzil magar log sath aate gaye aur karwan banta gaya….. it is heartening to see this website.it is a place where from we can raise our voice..good luck to all of my dnb bratheran.”
dr.r.syed, “gud effort”
Dr.Padmesh, “The tussle between the MCI and the National Board is ultimately making us the scapegoats. These problems invariably have a detrimental effect on our morale.. “
dr. mayur patil
DR. RAHUL KEWAL KUMAR, “the persons who are in the top posts of NBE are not responsible persons, they have nothing to do whatsoever with what the problems students are facing.i don’t think this will do anything as they r mindless & shameless persons.”
praveen, “congrats to the person who introduce this n i hope this will definitely help us …”
kartikeya kohli, “Govt. should streamline healthcare delivery system in the country by granting respectful treatment to DNB Trainees by providing them congenial working environment,parity in salary with other post graduate doctors and a realistic Examination system.”
girish agrawal, “dnb primary candidate should be given more passing percentage.exam in each faculty should be conducted atleast twice in a year or else a candidate at the age of 30-31 has to face i year loss and great amount of frustation and mental harrasment.”
Dr K Rukmini
Dr. Kalpana R Kulkarni, “Wish to join the venture unitedly…”
DR AMIT ANAND, “FIRST OF ALL CONGRATULATION FOR SUCH A WONDERFUL EFFORT TO BRING ALL THE DNB TRAINEES ON ONE PLATEFORM. I FULLY SUPPORT THE PETITION. “
rohini chopra, “lets hope for the best”
raghavendra .p, “To DNB directors the pass percentage in general medecine exams are very discouraging, stressfull and traumatic to our life and career. kindly look into the policy and help us.”
Devagouda, “It is the time for concerned higher officers to think about the life of doctors, they join for sake of service to humanity come out with intensity to take revange on society.”
Dr Sandeep Amale, “Stop this sadism.its better 2 stop this illusiv degree”
trupti, “i fully support this noble cause.the official need to look into the matter for giving such poor results and ofcourse the long duration to declare such horrible results.early annoucement will give the candidate enough time to prepare their next attempt.”
Jayesh Modi, “Resepected Dr. Dr. Anbumani Ramadoss as you are the first well qualified and doctor as a health minister. So, kindly see to this issues. Thanks. “
balaji, “I appeciate the effect taken by our doctors, lots need to be corrected with regards to DNB (course, exam, mci recognition)”
deepak , “please look into our plight as it is seriusly affecting our life physically as well as mentally.”
sanjay, “mci is making dnb useless by lowering the moral of dnb”
Dr.Pushkar Anand, “great work!!!..i just hope this helps the doctors”
himanshu narang, “there is not a singlr medical exam where there is no precribed sylabbus and above all 10% result in our ortho proves that 90% people appearing in exams are useless inspite of so much effort. “
dr balamurali n p, “I appreciate the enormous amount of effort you guys are putting for the cause.”
DR Sudhakar Vaidya, “Please do it /It is a good work with a cause.”
Dr Ashish Pathak
abhishek kumar, “im doing dnb radiology from holy spirit mumbai.im trying to collect people on this point. we are also fighting on these point from our management. nice step on national level.we are with u.abhishek”
Jayakumar Menon, “I would like to request the honourable health minister to desisist from lamenting deficiency of doctors and their migration. Its the product of senseless policies or the utter lack of it at the top level like these..”
dr_manish, “any medical stream is like a ocean, dnb should realise it, 3 years is not enough for their set of papers………. salary is of course not upto the expectation ,what we put in as a effort…..”
Anil Kumar M N , “many innocent DNB degree holders, without reason are undergoing misery because of the differences between MCI and DNB. Oh GOD, resque us. “
Preetish Bhavsar, “i agree with all the above points”
GAURAV RAJENDER, “please give me your contact nos”
Dr Narendra Tajne, “DNB Board cant play with our future…. its not a GAME… v r struggling hard to accomplish our carrier and they must value our efforts…..”
dr. akhilesh, “even conducting 2 theory paper ona day and finishing things in just two days that too with no guidelines on syllabus in itself is inhuman. and they need 3 months to declare the result for which they test in just two days….”
Dr Rajesh A. G.
K Bhat, “DNB is a premier and exacting degree it is in the interest of all stakeholders : students ; the board ;the ministry;(and general society) to make it procedurally more simple,robust,more transparent and less time consuming.”
govind, “we have filed the case . come forward to help us . visit rebel columns in orkut”
DR HAYAT, “why is it always that dnb students are not granted the same facilities by the authorities like grant of pf and yearly bonus.”
DR SUHAAS PATIL, “Pl also make a mention regarding biannually examination for the superspeciality students.”
Dr Varun Gupta, “I fully agree with the afforementioned facts& sincerely hope the H’ble health minister & the top echelons in the NBE look into this grave matter,concerning the fate of DNB candidates,& save them unnecessary botheration & heartache”
Dr.Arunkumar.S, “The above petition depicts the pain that many of the DNB candidates are going through. Kindly both DNB board members & MCI people should work together to resole this issue and not politicize it”
srivatsa gopal vyasarayani, “my sincere wishes for a speedy answer to our problems. i wonder every morning as to why i am doing my dnb when i have thousands of chances elsewhere. warm regards srivatsa.”
Arindam Sarkar, “I am an MBBS student looking forward to a DNB / MD. I strongly support this petition.”
heena kazi, “Very Good work !!! Keep it up ..”
ELVIS, “WHAT ABOUT FILING AN RTI ( right to information ) regarding marks of those who pass n fail, showing answer sheets, discrepancy in pass rate in dff subjects…there r RTI GRADUATES IN MUMBAI WHO CAN DRAFT THE APPLICATION NICELY.”
Feroz Khan, “Keep up the good work and let me know if there is any union or group sort of thing like mard for DNB”
amit kocheta, “come join this mission – all dnbs “
Dr. Onkar Singh, “the attitude of DNB board is so frustrating that it is just wasting the national resorces,time of examinees,the money involved,efforts & social as well as family isolation n neglect that a DNB student has to go through…. “
KimKardashIan, “Hi webmaster. Nice Work!”
Dr Ravneet, “please save the doctors”
Dr. Jimit N. Vadgama
DR HARNAM SINGH MADAN, “i appreciate the effort you are putting in, please keep posting the latest developments .” “
bhavya, “i appreciate the effort you are putting in, please keep posting the latest developments .”
dr prabhakar korada, “Many MDs & MSs whose registration is refused by MCI are being allowed as teachers by the MCI, wheras DNBs with valid registration with MCI are being discriminated. This is hypocrisy”
dr indrayani phadke, “please provide information and dvd’s regarding thesis and special topics in psyciatry.”
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dr dhairya pandit, “some how we should get media attention”
DR. RAVI ANAND, “intimate me latest news”
BHASKER SINGH, “we should put this matter in court also,so that court could order to incease results FROM THIS TIME.,plz do not wait.if just one month salary can improve result 4 forever is not bad.”
dr aradhana singh, “we all can meet minister while meeting in MAMC from 22 to 29 sep as low pass rate is compelling us to leave preparation after certain time if we don,t do it aggrasively nobody will care.”
dr. mariyam bohra, “i agree with the demands”
Basanth Kumar K, “I cannot understand how the government cannot bring about a change in the MCI constitution. Hope this petition brings about some change.”
Chitra Sarma, “good job!”
swasti, “Keep up all the good work. My wishes…”
Anup Dokania, “1 copy should be forwded to Dr.A.P.J.Abdul Kalam n to prof Yashpal.they can really help us.stdnts r suffring a chronic depresion, frustrn just bcoz of this DNB.media coverage shud b tried.also the 4papers should b spaced by 2-3 days gap.”
rimple aggarwal, “i agree with u…..”
dr.amol sm, “nat board authorities has to be sued fr conducting such a haphazardeous exam & giving low results in spite of candidates proving their calibre during 6 monthly assessment as approved by nat board by thier own appraisers.”
Anjani Kumar Kundal, “superspeciality exams should be conducted twice a year, and well within the stipulated time period of three years”
dr pankaj goel, “i appreciate and support this endeavor. the fight for right against might must go on “
Dr. Anup Rathi, “I am facing the problem of getting a job in medical college as Lecturer and persons who are junior to me and have less experience are getting job just because they have MD certificate. “
saurabh vatss, “we should stay united and should actively fight for our right. “
Dr amit jain
PRASHANT SHUKLA, “HUM HO GE KAMYB EK DIN”
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dr.balachandar, “be unite and fight for our rights it is the right time to fight it is very bad that if we fail,we have to wait for one year to reappear it is a disaster board should think about it and review this “
dr s mishra, “its high time for authority to listen to our demand and take action accordingly.”
dr preeti vijay, “I support this petition.most of the institutes do not fulfill the requirement of library and accomadation for which they r paid “
dr.s.munawar raja, “It is disheartening that my friends who did MS in surgery , i have to work under them as senior reslut just because ou result is pending. if the present policy i think i will lose this dec exam of 2008″
Dr. manish Chomal, “Exams of Radiotherapy should be counducted 6 monthly instead of yearly (as all other broad specialities)”
aditya malladi, “i fully support.when is the submission of the petition. how many have signed?”
dr.balaji, “i support this and if necessary steps are taken dnb ll b an enjoyable course rather than a frustrating one”
DR MANGESH KHANDAVE, “DNB Pediatrics results are also too low(less than 10%Aftr writing satisfactory answers.Few question always there which are much beyond the syllabus.DNB is the most frustating episode of my life”
NADEEM NIYAZ JAN, “our demands are genuine and should be considered for our better future”
Rajesh jain, “Exam should be conducted six monthly rather than yearly for the branch of radiotherapy. Also the passing result should be similar to MD/MS exams.”
ANSHUL KUMAR BHATNAGAR, “The exam is held yearly only for Radiotherapy among all broad specialities. Why should this discrimination occur? kindly consider our case at an earliest.”
IRFAN BASHIR, “kindly consider our case at an earliest.”
Ran Singh, “things r not properly issued in our interest. a board giving a result less than 5 % should seriously think and evaluate itself whether such board should exist and spoil the life of rest of 95% people . “
ANAND MISHRA, “only writing such comments s not enough,its high time that we shd unite 2 improve our DNB RESULT..”
RAVI, “There should be mention about association/union need for those who are Joining course.Board should collect student association fee along with tution fee.Board should coordinate in creating all India association.”
aditya narayan das, “I support this petition and pray to god for positive outcome “
dr vikas chawla, “well its good petition to start with… but i should be realised by the senior doctors who cheque the papers or take the practicals that only after a relevant degree a candidate can show his talent and not before it…”
veena patil, “I feel the DNB is meant to fail the candidates n yes the bonus is 3 yrs of free labour to the instt”
ASHISH SARAOGI, “most of the time institutes don’t follow dnb instructions regarding classes. there should be more days permission for attending cme.no. of cme conducted by dnb should increase with compulsory permission from institute. “
Dr.viplab, “good start..i would discourage any undergraduate form joining dnb..we are just fodder to run corporate hospitals”
Dr Alok Tiwary, “it is really sad that passing rate is lo.It has not improved over years and board had not taken any steps to do something about it. “
Dr Ashish, “just to add: we thougt we were doctors, but thanks to the Board and our own institutions, we like bonded labourers..”
vijay uppal, “This issue is of paramount importance, affects the well being of millions of our country men whose medical care is not even basic.The authorities should address this rather than be bickering over the control of AIIMS”
mohit, “its very bad on part of dnb board and they r playing with lives of doctors.they should change their attitude…..”
DR HRUTVIJ BHATT, “for god sake let us know what dnb pepole expects from us and why results are so low . it is not possible that 90 % pepole appearing in exams are dumb”
gaurav shukla, “dnb results r very poor. dnb has become NIGHTMARE FOR STUDENTS.DUE TO SUCH POOR RESULTSTUDENTS DO NOT HOPE TO QUALIFY DNB EVEN BEFORE APPEARING TO EXAMS STUDENTS FEEL THAT THYE WILLNOT B ABLE TO CLEAR EXAM.THE RESULTS SHOULD B IMROVED.”
dr.balasubramanian.k, “a good effort please update me on the result of this petition as i m planning to join a dnb course”
venkata subba reddy E R, “very good petition…”
dr Tejinder Singh, “june 2008 theory result is horrible………. only 19 candidates of anaesthesiology passed out of 364 appeared”
Dr anshumali misra, “test every body on the same scale and then if we are not able to compete against MD/MS it is our fault else it lies wiyh the system.”
Shyam Dhake, “results in june 2008 are more poor. if board has to pass only 5 % of students then they should not give aadmission to so many students. they should improve result up to 50% atleast.”
Dr. Shashikant Y, “My main complaint is regarding passing rate. Please bring more transparency in examination pattern and evaluation. “
dr rahul kumar gupta
Partho Bakshi, “My Hospital lost its Accredidation which came to my knowledge after spending 2 yrs DNB when I didnt receive my reg no inspite of the fact that we repeatedly mailed called&faxed DNB to know d reason y but it was callous slow&gave no information”
dr. avinash. m. katur, “a dnb candidate has to slog at his/her institute working and then preparing for his studies and exams as most of the institutes select them for helping themselves only with meagre or no stipend. we also like to kow our marks on the net or by post.”
DR.LOGANATHAN R PILLAI, “kdfj ojr ewpeu]wpe utpoiyuq-45n95nbil,nb’l bpior irn urt[yq9uyi 0erihpv gm v”
Sudipta Das, “The saddistic atitude of the board regarding pass rate has to be changed”
Dr Dhiraj Gupta, “DNB degree has the potential to become the benchmark..it just needs political will and a strong appeal..may be meeting the health minister.”
Dr Tushar Malavade, “This is true…”
Ravi, “Apart from petetion like this,i would like any legal opinion/action from this forum i.e. let us register a association like Junior Doctors association Nationwide and fight the issues.Any one interested can be a general body now and decide future course.”
DR AMIT K SINGH, “this issue should have been raised much earlier.I really doubt that the board will take any action to improve /upgrade itself.But,still i look forward and appeal to the NBE to take immediate action to rectify these errors.”
dr sandeep kumar jain, “thanks for raised issue”
dr M rama chandra reddy, “plz conduct common councilling for admissions in to dnb board specialities or else many instutes are collectin captation fee “
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dr gian, “i fully support this initiative and we should also file a joint petition in supreme court if we have got necessary ground for that.”
Dr. Ananth Mohan Pai, “Well drafted petition. Hope it serves its purpose.”
dr b. rajshekhar, “i did dnb from tertiary referral govt. hosp.,with all necessary infrastructure for pg course. govt. has to decide whether it wants doctors to serve poor people. if yes; it is the govt’s responsibilty to see to it that dnb is recognized”
Sandeep Moolchandani, “In view of the strenuous and demanding nature of our profession atleast some efforts should be made on the part of the government to make the medical profession more productive with respect to both doctor and his performance towards the patients…”
dr rina rani, “it’s rediculus & inhuman.may god bless those who,having a secured job think this,who is thinking of surviving in terms basic facilities in life & cursing their fate joining dnb,which has ruined their life”
dr vishal atriwal
Sumanth K P, “Results are very very late, it is very frustrating if you wont clear theory exams, and there is no much time to prepare for next exams. We have no hint when the theory results will come.”
dr abhay, “i think dnb board r doing trapping bussines.”
dr prerna kukreti, “DNB is a mockery of heath ministry,at one end they give it international recognition,but on other hand sorry state of is this that its recognition in india itself is fallacious.its high time either govt scrap it or gives DNB due status”
dr gian chand, “i feel all above written regardly is totally and necessary action should be taken immediately “
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Dr Ankush Suresh Pathare, “to ensure that this is take note of u have to put this in media ….newspapers and other media .”
vkumar, “good job!”
pooja gogia, “i agree with you”
DR NARAHARI M G
Gurunandini Achar, “a great work which i hope will be a great help to all DNB trainees”
varun k singh
DR. ABID AHMED, “its high time for affirmative action for without it the whole system will collapse ….”
Dr.K.KRISHNA PRASAD, “Very Relevant Petition. Unity is the Strength”
s.khader basha, “100%nice reseach.plece do see this happens”
dr vibhav parghi
pradeep kumar c n, “this petition is very good. if it goes well its a confidence booster for those entering the course in the future…”
Dr Gaurav Porwal
DR ANKHIPATA ROY, “i support the petition nd waiting for a positive outcome”
dr mradula gupta
gopal, “MCI has demoted DNB people from professor to tutor post.this is a serious issue. even after 3 years u will not be promoted.”
Dr. Madhuri Garg, “i really liked the petition and wud like to offer my help in all the possible ways.”
Dr Sushma Sharma
gvn bhoopati, “this is a very nice effort to bring out various deficiencies in dnb format so that at least the following batches need not suffer like us.”
sunil, “Finally someone has taken the desired steps to raise the level of DNB. Most of the DNB doctors wanted to do something like that but everybody waited for someone else,but now I think that each of us will wholeheartedly support each other”
VINOTH.D, “yes it is true”
dr ashish, “thanks alot for raising issues…”
dr manisha jain
ashish, “make mandatory , in theory paper atleast 50 % mcqs . “
nishant sahay, “Let not the DNB training be a tool for private hospitals to exploit doctors. These hospitals take the most out of the candidates and pay the least specified. “
Dr. Lipi Chakrabarty, “Improvise DNB or cancel the degree lest none be duped into false security for time being .”
Steve Paul, “trul said .DNB pass are like persons who swam across the sea only to be offered a towel at the shore”
Dr Daipayan Ghosh, “the email system does not work at all… somtimes even the front desk people at Ansari Nagar office, which is supposed to be student’s facilitation centre do not know of important changes…such as the thesis fees etc. “
dr shabana, “we dont get even a single reply even if we make a thousand queries…does the exists at all…??!!”
dr.hanumant lohar, “we will fight together”
dr.sunil varma, “i think health minister should shut down this institution immediately after clearing oll previous pendind results. “
Dr.Vishakha jain, “absolutely true…………lets go ahead with it!”
drmonicaagarwal, ” DNB is highly frustrating and play with the careers of hundreds of students. It seem a way of money making for the board putting lot of financial, emotional constraint on the student. necessary action should soon be taken to rectify it”
dr maya, “in support of the petition”
dr animesh kumar gupta, “come on we r with u”
Arunkumar, “Hope people take it in the right way & help us out”
amit, “this is a good effort”
amit tyagi, “lets make it possible….lets make them hear our voices in tandem…let’s unite to stand once again for a good cause.”
dr richa sharma
Dr. Amitabh C Sen, “hope we not fighting with deaf ears…………..!”
Kaustubh J Chavan
kolluru kausik, “there is no proper criteria for declaring results for both dnb 1 and 2.on what basis they pass us the screening test. let dnb gets self realization about their useless moves and also mci.”
Ravi Chandra J B
dr.arunadevi, “now that the govt. is planning to recognise foriegn postgraduate degrees why not ours to be regognised by MCI?”
dr vishal, “i fully support the cause. gr8 idea.”
Dr Parin Lalwani, “being declared unsuccessful(10-15%), landing with no JOB withot PG degree harrassed and frustrated. No concern of NBE except charging fees. DNB students are better than MD/MS.I strogly support the efforts pout by you all.”
dr.v.chakravarthi, “dr.v.chakravarthi- iam working in deccan college of medical sciences, hyderabad, since 2005,march,still college administration and MCI treating me as senior resident but not as assistant professor, please hlep me”
Dr Niket Attarde, “MCI recognizes foreign degrees so why this callous attitude towards an Indian degree.its a good draft and hope gets our point through.”
dr shreeshail v benakanal, “It is a punishment to wait for the results of final DNB for 4 months, kindly give early results. “
dr vaishali N hegde, “excellent draft .kindly add health ministers newspaper cuttings Times of India on 22-07-08 recognising foreign degrees for teaching UGS why not indian degree DNB”
Dr Nitin Bajpai, “the passing rate of MCI recognised institutions is approx 70-80% but passing rate of DNB students is 10-15% which means the training are not up to the standards. “
dr sunil pai
anshuman singh, ” we have committed a sin for entering the dnb course we are in the purgatory so bear the pain and make the lords happy by failing time and again.we are the untouchables. “
dr preeti gupta, “please do justice for the efforts given by the students to pass dnb.”
SIVASUBRAMANIAN`, “theory exam pattern has to be changed. 30-60% can be objective with or without negative markings.”
SANJIVINI GUPTA, “i have also faced all these problems. The pass rate is really low. “
dr dinesh pandey
Dr Srinivas Kosgi, “Draft is excellent.I request to add Govt to quash 1 year research + 3 years tutor experience.”
DR. PREMITHA. R
Dr.Deepa.R , “I strongly support the petition & hope that immediate action will be taken to provide justice to all DNB degree holders in all Medical Colleges for appointment as teachers. “
Dr.CKV.Sirisha, “It is a well drafted petition.”
Dr shridhar lakhe, “i am supporting this petion, i agree with the all the problems enlisted,i strongly support you, thanks for the good move.”
Dr. Usha Badhe, “i totally agree with the petition.would like to add that the board should mention the updated syllabus with correct reference books, especially in the field of family medicine..”
seetarama rao mamidi, “good work – my sincere support to the cause”
nagesh, “its high time to increase the pass percentage in DNB final exam.its a must to recognige the true potential of the candidates “
dr santhosh jacob, “hi this is good work ,any support you need we will all be together”
Dr Sundar RamanathanD, “Is it NOT shameful for the National Board to be reminded of it’s responsiblities by the Postgraduates.”
dr.anil sakhar, “its time to fight.we will find out who is playing dirty politics in mci”
dr rahul, “good start.DNB is one of its kind-time taken in the whole process of exam even if u clear in 1st attempt is a minimmum of 4 to 6 mth. have u ever heard of such a sincere board in any part of this globe.which also have high claims of its standards.”
kumar hemant, “We shud unite 2 fight,hwvr,we should refrain from carrying out any personalised attack by name on any1 without any evidence against anybody.Our fight is for the DNB degree which we deserve than anybody else,”
DR.ANUJ TYAGI, “Good move yar “
dr anant, “its just criminal “
krishna nair, “very bad v hav to fight”
Dr.NIRANJAY KUMAR, “LETS FIGHT TOGETHER, WE CAN BRING REVOLUTION”
dr vikalp vashishtha, “”I am supporting this ,petition ,all our demands are resonable .It’s Time to fight for right…” I am supporting this ,petition ,all our demands are resonable .It’s Time to fight for right…” “
Dr.Nilesh, “I am supporting this ,petition ,all our demands are resonable .It’s Time to fight for right…”
Dr Nizamuddin, “excellent work guys . we are with you. “LETS FIGHT FOR OUR RIGHTS….. “”
rajiv tungare, “Wake up and take immediate action.”
sudhir gupta, “i do agree with the points mentioned above here n i am in full support .”
santhosh kumar s, “good start, thanks for the effort friend. “
dr pradeep kedar
Dr.R.J.Mohan Rao.Atyam, “To make us the best doctors, provide us the best you have. “
Dr.Manoj Patel, “Very good move.I would like to add one thing that the Institution often threat the candidate in form of closing the speciality.What should be do in that case?If the speciality closed down in midway what are the arrangements for the candidate?”
Dr.Nishant, “i just want to add that admissions should be comething like centralised to dnb to curb the malpractices……i totally agree with the petition”
DR VAIBHAV BORSE
Dr Manish Khanale, “come on we r with u”
roushan, “this is a good move.i strongly support u.”
JAC CORDIS, “THIS IS BECAUSE OF THE MISMANAGEMENT BY TOP OFFICIALS INCLUDING VICE PRESIDENTS DR. S BHARDWAJ AND JOINT DIRECTORS DR. BIPIN BATRA AND DR. ANURAG AGARWAL. THEY TAKE MONEY FOR ACCREDATION, FOR MCI SCREENING TEST AND WHAT NOT.”
DrManohar, “http://dnbpg.com/index.php/topic,285.msg464/topicseen.html#msg464 PLEASE CONTRIBUTE IF YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING TOWARDS OUR COMMON CAUSE!”
prabuddha jyoti das, “we need a more cooperative and transparent board……a lot needs to be changed…the pass percentage is too low… “
dr. riddhis khushal maru, “i strongly support u. “
dr. rajeev kumar
ruchi, “i completely support this movement..the exam n result duration should definitely decrease n with an increase in the pass percentage..i hope dnb takes some quick n effective action towards these problems”
dr.eshi, “kudos for taking up these issues.pass rate is really a concern.prolonged gap between theory exam and result is a very testing time.timely conduction of 6 mnthly appraisals should be strictly followed.”
dr swapnil , “pls conduct family medicine final exam 6 mnthly like other subjects n pls arrange for periodic inspection of accredited institutes.”
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ALL INDIA MD DOCTORS ASSOCIATION-AIMDDA
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Memorandum of Association:
Memorandum of Association:
We ,the allopathic MD/MS doctors/DNB doctors educated in India or abroad in various fields of medicine hereby resolve in the interests of improving the sciences of medicine and allied medical sciences in national interest as here under-
● We will help mankind in general and indian public in particular in assisting in natural or man made calamities, and work for disaster prevention and preparedness.
● It shall approve the syllabi of various sub-sciences periodically and decide eligibility criteria’s for speciality and superspeciality teachers and advise the MCI, DCI, NCI and UGC in consultations with other doctor institutions appropriately. MD,MS,DNB doctors will have the primary right to practice branches of medicine and surgery and diagnostic sciences and will have the first right to prescribe standards and regulate medical education system.
● We shall come together annually to elect a Presidents, Vice Presidents, and other office bearers of this association to serve the cause of medical community ,who will give regular guidance and solve the burning academic problems of the association members in general and other problems as per bye-laws.
● The annual general body will decide and approve plans of expenditure, and chart out course of development for a period of next one year.
● In the interests of maintaining medical standards in the country, the association resolves to disallow MSc, PhDs who happen to be inadequately trained ,or at times totally not trained in basics of Medicine or surgical or gynecological or diagnostic medical sciences hence called as non medical teachers to act as syllabus setters or gain entry into the academic administration of medical universities or other universities established in private sector as Registrar Examination and similar posts.
● The association shall not allow MSc persons to act as head of laboratories as the diagnosticians, as the association contests their ability to do a proper differential workup or diagnosis and has serious doubts about their clinical and diagnostic knowledge hitherto untested by proper examination system as exists for MD/MS/DNB.
● In the interests of maintaining medical standards in the country, the association resolves to disallow MSc, PhDs who are not trained in basics of Laboratory medicine, and are not trained appropriately enough to act as diagnosticians or medical teachers or postgraduate examiners to MD/MS/DNB examinations /BDS examinations or guidance to MDS or MDS examination or ICMR studentships, as has been happening in the new age universities of India.
● Association shall safe guard the interests of diagnostic laboratories and shall seek to set up and guard appropriate laboratory standards in interests of the Indian people, as improperly trained persons cannot be allowed to gain access to or perform patient treatment, management or diagnostic workups or diagnostic medical reporting.
● It will offer consultancy to various universities or colleges or institutions who seek consultation/advice and specialist doctors of this association shall be encouraged to attend programmes for continuous professional advance and get necessary certifications as to enable these doctors to be at par with best of the doctors/faculty in the world.
● The association in its regular meets at various locations not restricted to urban areas of India, focus on various issues relevant to medical practice.
● We will help organize specialist doctors and formulate current medical opinions and conduct relevant seminars, CMEs, symposia’s in this regard.
● We will act as professional guardians of MD /MS/DNB/Medical diploma doctors regarding their professional rights and represent Doctors at various levels in India and abroad.
● Will seek institutional membership of international association like World medical academy and other international bodies.
● We will participate in syllabus forming of various faculties under MCI,DCI,NCI guidelines.
● We shall resolve at our regular meetings to form appropriate bodies/wings to regulate/organize or upgrade working conditions in various branches of medical sciences.
● For the purpose of regular medical advances, we will resolve to establish, periodically, institutes or training facilities to conduct training or research to help our MD, MS, and DNB, Medical diplomas to attain professional competence and excellence and conduct regular examinations under international and national supervision.
● We will take appropriate, timely steps in implementing measures with help of various fellow medical associations in national interest and international health concern.
● The association shall seek to regulate the quality of medical teachers in India by representing to Medical and other councils in India and abroad and reform the system in accordance with the broad wishes of the MD/MS/DNB fraternity felt needs. It shall take up with appropriate courts, governments and councils in this endeavor.
● Present pathetic working conditions and non medical teacher encouragement /appeasement have been noted by the association seriously and the association will not allow unqualified teachers to pollute the age old system of medical education just to proliferate the number of medical institutions.
● We shall partner with indian medical association, Indian dental association, association of medical biochemists of india, indian nursing association, association of physicians of india and every other medical physician surgical or gynecological association of national standing in bettering the causes of medical education in general and creation of a disease controlled india in particular, with rational drug use and use of appropriate medical technology of the time.
● We will also partner with research associations of relevance like department of Indian council of medical research to enhance focus on research activities with relevance to society and prevent copycat research in pre-para clinical sciences which is now neither bringing glory to these departments nor has alleviated the suffering of millions of the ailing Indians or has done justice to amount of resources spent to write a copycat paper or dissertation work for MD and especially PhD.
● At the end of 50 years of existence of this association the association should have fostered path breaking inter departmental research work and should have produced Nobel prize winners in medicine, physiology or biochemical pathology and other medical sciences, since we note that public money has gone to drains since past 50 years post independence from indian governments and medical/ dental colleges/hospitals. Lack of proper focus in developing centers of medical competence and excellence and lack of proper funding to the proper medical MD in doing quality research has failed the cause of medical research in india and we plan to identify, prevent such event.
● The association is anti quackery in Clinical sciences or in practice of laboratory services. Inadequately qualified persons shall not certify lab reports as per Indian High courts.
● This association realizes the excellent contributions of the IMA,QPMPA,IDA,API,IAP ,AMBI and other professional bodies in assisting the cause of MD/MS/DNB /Medical diploma holders across India. But IMA, QPMPA have their own vision and spheres of working and cater to a different group of allopathic physicians in that they serve the cause of MBBS graduates.
● We plan to serve the Postgraduates of India in particular since, growing number of postgraduates and PG aspirants desire a lot from Indian medical setups. We will, remaining in IMA,and QPMPA and other previous parent bodies, strive for the cause of Doctors.
● Multi pronged approach which shall supplement, complement actions of IMA, QPMPA, IDA, API, IAP, AMBI and other professional bodies like IMC,DCI,NCI, should get a better reach to Indian public.
● The association will act as a broad based body of specialist doctors in India and will encourage the growth of nascent fields of medical sciences like metabolic medicine ,interventional radiology etc.
Posted by: aimdda on: August 26, 2009
It is ruinous to do what should not be done
Posted by: aimdda on: July 24, 2009