Committee Meeting Notes

2017-04-05 - Community Input Review and Final Recommendation

posted Apr 13, 2017, 6:23 AM by Dave Listman   [ updated Apr 13, 2017, 6:24 AM ]

At this meeting we reviewed the survey data from parents. staff and students, as well as discussed feedback we received while  presenting the information to our community..

The survey data shows that there is not a consensus in our community in regards to this initiative. The community comments identified both strengths and challenges of the plan. Committee members commented on the thoughtful and comprehensive nature of the responses. The results will be shared with our community.

After much discussion as well as a great meal, thank you Rachel McCloskey, administration has decided to move forward with the recommendation as crafted in our previous meetings with some adjustments to address important concerns raised by our community. One adjustment being that we will be allowing drop offs at our elementary schools at 8:40 in the morning. This is our current drop off schedule now. There is a possibility that this could be even earlier. We also have worked out what we hope will be a better schedule for our swim team practices at the YMCA. More to come on this issue.

The School Board Work Session is scheduled for Monday, April 17th, at 7:00 PM. This will be held at the middle school in the auditorium. Our presentation is scheduled for the start of this meeting. The following committee members will be presenting our recommendation. Sachi Patel, Matt Daniels, Dave Listman, Pat Clark, Betty Kucharczuk, Matt McCloskey, Tim Hoffman, Jimmy Conley, Dr. Sanville and myself.

If the recommendation is approved by the Board we will quickly reconvene our committee to discuss the implementation and evaluation of the new start and end times.

I want to thank all of you for your hard work and dedication to this process and to our district and students. You have truly gone the extra mile for our district with your work on this committee.  No matter what happens in regards to the recommendation, your work on the committee is greatly valued and appreciated. You have exemplified what we always strive to do, put the students first in every decision.

Thank you again,


2017-03-01 - Review and Finalize Community Presentation

posted Mar 2, 2017, 6:34 AM by Dave Listman   [ updated Mar 2, 2017, 6:34 AM ]

School Start Time - Committee Recommendations

2017-02-24 - Review Details and Obstacles of Option 3A

posted Feb 26, 2017, 12:02 PM by Dave Listman   [ updated Mar 2, 2017, 6:32 AM ]

Summary of the 2/24/17 Meeting

2017-02-07 - One Option Favored (3A)

posted Feb 13, 2017, 4:17 PM by Dave Listman   [ updated Mar 2, 2017, 6:31 AM ]

Summary of Meeting- 2-8-17

2017-01-17 - In-depth Review of Top Options

posted Feb 1, 2017, 4:17 AM by Dave Listman   [ updated Feb 1, 2017, 4:24 AM ]

Meeting Summary


6:30-9:00 PM


  • Reviewed the information from a district in Massachusetts that went through a similar process

    • Their presentation is in the shared folder

    • Very comprehensive report, and it could be a nice model for us if we move forward with a similar recommendation

  • Presented the powerpoint with the 2 top options but added 3 modifications to the two top options (please see the PP with a complete description of each)

    • Option # 1 – Current schedule

    • Option # 1 –  Current schedule - with added resources

    • Option # 3 – Modified Push

    • Option # 3A – Modified Push - with slight adjustment

    • Option # 3 – Modified Push - with added resources

  • After the presentation and discussion a 6th option was added

    • Option # 3A+ – Modified Push - with slight adjustment and added resources

  • We took some time to further discuss the options and then we selected options based on the following criteria

    • One vote for - Option that you want to go  forward

    • One vote for - Option you can live with

    • One vote for - Option that you can not support

  • The following 3 options stood out as the favorites

    • Option # 1 –  Current schedule - with added resources

    • Option # 3 – Modified Push - with added resources

    • Option # 3A+ – Modified Push - with slight adjustment and added resources

      • This option was by far the favorite

  • A suggestion was made to select again from these three options, leaving the other out. As each option did garner a little support

  • We will do that at the very beginning of our next meeting on Feb. 7th

  • We hope to leave the next meeting with a recommendation

SST Meeting 2017-01-17 - In-Depth Review of Options

2017-01-11 - Committee Begins to Narrow its Focus

posted Jan 23, 2017, 4:20 AM by Dave Listman   [ updated Jan 30, 2017, 10:20 AM by Kim Van der Mooren ]

Committee Preference - Top Two Options


At our meeting on 1/11/17, after another discussion of the pros and cons of each option, the committee selected our preferences on what we feel are the options we would like to consider further. Here was the tally. Each member selected his/her first and second choice.


First Choice

Second Choice

1 Current Schedule



2 Push Model



3 Modified Push



4 Flipped Schedule



5 Merge Schedule



6 Combo Merge



 Click here to review details of the six options considered by the committee.

From the tally it is clear that two options stand out as the favorites. Though not all members were present and we definitely want everyone’s feedback, it does look like we have two strong preferences.

We discussed that option 2,4,5 and 6, though garnering some support, are not seen as viable by the committee.

At our next meeting we will look more closely at both these options, #3 and #1.

Though option # 1 is to keep things the same, there was discussion about having later morning bus pick up times to help with the issues being discussed.

2016-12-15 - Options Evaluations II

posted Jan 17, 2017, 11:21 AM by Dave Listman   [ updated Jan 23, 2017, 4:35 AM ]

During this meeting the committee broke out into smaller groups to finalize their evaluation of the pros and cons of each of the transportation options.

The document below summarizes the conversation and findings

Copy of Dec. 15 - Transportation Options

2016-12-01 - Options Evaluations I

posted Dec 12, 2016, 7:58 AM by Dave Listman   [ updated Feb 22, 2017, 2:33 PM ]

The committee met on December 1st at 6:30.

At this meeting the committee divided into 4 smaller working groups.  

Each of the 4 groups was given an area of concentration and assigned to identify the pros and cons of the 6 current options on each of these areas of concentration 

1 Childcare
2 Athletics
3 Costs/Financial
4 Academics/Activities

The group members of this committee and for the smaller work groups were selected with an eye towards getting broad representation of all community stakeholder groups.  There are folks on the committee from families where both parents work outside the home, elementary school parents and parents of student athletes, to name just a few.  There are also school administrators such as the  athletics director, the football coach and the transportation director to help provide detailed information from their area of expertise.

The next meeting will be Dec 15th at 8:00 in the district office

2016-11-17 - Discussion About Sleep Science

posted Nov 28, 2016, 8:02 AM by Dave Listman   [ updated Jan 23, 2017, 4:23 AM ]

The committee met on November 17th.  Previously they had been asked to either attend or watch the Dr Owen’s Presentation on Sleep Science.  For this meeting the committee members were placed  into fours groups to discuss and reflect on what they had heard, to raise questions and to determine if we are ready to move forward.

To help guide the discussion and reflection the committee was presented with 4 questions

  1. What have you learned about the research?

  2. What is most compelling about the research?

  3. What would you still like to know?  What questions do you have?

  4. Based on the research, are we ready to move forward to investigate options?

Below are highlights from each group’s discussion.  

The consensus was to move forward. Although there are still questions to be answered and obstacles to overcome, we are ready to move forward to investigate options.

The next committee meeting will be Thursday, December 1st.

What have you learned about the research?

Group A –

  • Many correlations, maybe not causation?

  • Chester County driving data vs. national  -  local data may  indicate that drowsy driving was not a local issue

  • Dr. Owens’ 8:30 or nothing comment - We understand that 8:30 is the target, but if we could move start times to 8:00 would we still see a benefit? and would that be worthwhile?

  • Shouldn’t we be addressing other items about the importance of sleep hygiene?

Group B -

  • We have sleep deprived students

  • There are clear safety and health benefits

  • There may be potential academic benefits

  • We all look at the research through unique and varied lenses

Group C –

  • Science behind later start is overwhelmingly supportive

  • Sleep patterns and needs change as kids age

  • Many health benefits of sleep

  • Correlation between increased sleep and decrease in at-risk behavior

  • The later start time will give parents and student the opportunity to choose how the time is spent (sleep, etc.)

Group D –

  • Science is compelling

  • Start times in USA – Bell Curve – UCFSD is at early end

  • Reduced car accidents


What is most compelling about the research?

Group A –

  • Dr. Owens - science aspect

Group B –

  • Health and safety issues for our students

  • Student driving – “Drowsy Drivers”

  • Students’ sleep cycle – Predictable patterns

Group C –

  • Science support

  • Health/wellness benefits

  • AAP, CDC, AMA support of 8:30 start

Group D –

  • Statistically significant – less depression (Edina), greater emotional well-being

  • Quality of sleep – last 1/3 of sleep

  • Fewer counselor visits

  • Students do sleep more with later schedule


What would you still like to know?  What questions do you have?

Group A –

  • Twilight hours?

  • What about middle school students?  At what age does the science have an impact?

  • Do we have a problem?

  • Can we survey sleep patterns at UCFSD?

  • Want to learn more about GPAs and impact

  • Want to learn more about student wellness and making a change

  • Impact on elementary schools

  • What have other schools found?

  • Is there a point in the day that is less productive for elementary kids?

Group B –

  • The number of tardy/car crashes in the area before school

  • Potential benefits for elementary students – lack of research

  • Impact on other districts – effect of change

Group C –

  • Impact of electronics in the bedroom

  • Impact of blue light/screen time on sleep

  • How elementary kids are impacted (minimal research)

  • Why schools who have investigated the change and chose not to switch decided to keep the status quo?

Group D –

  • What do we do about potential earlier dismissals for athletes?

  • Bummer for URA

  • Additional elementary school data?

  • Attendance data for daylight savings time (both ends) switch?

  • Can we find similarly (geographic) sized districts that have changed?

  • TCHS?

  • How many families rely on older children to watch younger ones after school?

  • Total cost to community if Flip?

Based on the research, are we ready to move forward to investigate options?

Group A –

  • Are we ready to move forward?

  • Want to know more about other schools.  Should we look at school day and schedule?

  • What is the problem?

Group B –

  • Yes, we are ready to continue our investigation!

Group C –

  • Yes, we think that we should continue to investigate options

Group D –

  • UCFSD culture is OK with being first

  • If we do make a change, we must keep the AM time sacred.

  • Lights on Athletic fields?

  • Are we ready to move forward?  YES

2016-11-02 - Kick-Off Meeting - Resource and Input Review

posted Nov 5, 2016, 8:32 AM by Dave Listman   [ updated Apr 13, 2017, 6:29 AM ]

The committee met for the first time at in the PES library on Nov 2nd at 6:30.

  • Ken provided an overview of the project, the rationale and background.
  • Ken reiterated the NO DECISIONS HAVE BEEN MADE and that although there is significant research around this national initiative the obstacles to achieve later start times are daunting.
  • The Transportation Department has developed an initial set of transportation options.  These options are put forward as a baseline for further review and discussion.  These are not the only possible options.  The committee can evaluate these options as a baseline and then go on to modify them or create additional options.  Click here to review the options put forward.
  • Ken next took the committee through the resources provided on the School Start Time Committee website (each member of the committee was also provided hard copy of the materials).  Their homework assignment was to review the materials in the book and come to the Judith Owens presentation.
    • Sleep Science Research
    • Information from schools with later start times
    • UCF current practices
    • Transportation options
    • Community feedback
  • The last part of the meeting was Q&A during which time many of the obstacles to shifting schedules were aired
  • The date for the next meeting has not been set, but is planned to occur sometime in November.
Homework assignment:  All committee members should familiarize themselves with the literature provided and should attend (or review online) the Dr. Owens presentation on Nov 7th.

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