Buyers guide

Buying a Vienna Horn

Buying your first Vienna horn is something of a journey into the unknown for most horn players.
Assuming that you are a competent double horn player you will be equipped to try the horn out, but may be unsure of what to expect.  
Outside of Austria, the Vienna horn seems shrouded in mystery. Here is some advice that should help!


Playing the Vienna horn

Moving from a double horn to a Vienna horn you should find the horn better than the F side of a double horn.  The particular design of the Vienna horns benefits from good use of air, and confidence in attack.  It may take a while to master this, and perhaps the advice of a good teacher.  Practice driving lots of air into the horn.  This will result in a good tone, and greater accuracy at all dynamics. Be prepared to use an aggressive tongue action to control the beginning and even the end of the note. 

This is really important, the Austrian horn playing style is (in my opinion) related to the techniques needed to get the best out of the Austrian horns. Try thinking in terms of a switch and a power supply; where the air pressure and flow is the power supply, and the tongue and lips are the switch. The optimum power is needed for each note to function nicely. If the air is not correct for a particular note, it is impossible to compensate for this through increased lip work!

Ensure that your hand position is adjusted, so that your hand is further out of the bell than a typical double horn position; Vienna horn bells, typically, do not need much pitch adjustment from the right hand.

Whilst these factors also affect double horns, you will need to adjust a little when you switch to a Vienna horn.

Get your air right, and everything else will follow.

New Vienna horns

I would suggest consideration of Brassego, Haagston, Jungwirth, and Yamaha Vienna Horns, 
and Breslmair, Romera, and Windhager Vienna horn mouthpieces.

The crook and the mouthpiece

The crook is rather like a detachable leader pipe on a double horn.  Different crooks can change the character of a horn dramatically.  Always check that the horn and crook fit together correctly.  Check that the combination play at the correct pitch (440/442 Hz is the modern standard).  Occasionally you will find that used horn/crook combinations are extremely sharp or flat.  Whilst it is usually possible to fix this with modifications to the tuning slide, it is a somewhat simpler to start with a horn that operates at the required pitch.

The mouthpiece dimensions differ from the double horn.  A deeper funnel cup is often used, and the backbore may be more parallel. Whilst a standard double horn mouthpiece will usually fit, the best sound seems to come from a mouthpiece designed for Vienna Horn. 

A Romera V23 with a rim of your choice (Romera make a comprehensive range) would be a good starting point.

Typical Romera mouthpiece

25V23 Trompa Vienesa

If you are in Vienna, an appointment with Franz Windhager would allow you to be guided through his range of cups and rims.

The Breslmair Model Roland Berger B1, is a reference mouthpiece that some players use on their Vienna and Double horns.


Alois Mayer - Brassego & Haagston Vienna Horn maker

Andreas Jungwirth - Vienna Horn maker

Yamaha - Vienna Horn maker

Toni Romera - Romera Brass

Franz Windhager - mouthpiece maker

Breslmiair - mouthpiece maker


Used horns

Occasionally used Vienna horns are seen.  Rather like used cars, each horn should be judged on its own merits.  Vienna horns are not mass produced, and each one can be slightly different.

Bad horns

Not every horn made using a Viennese wrap has the potential to be used by the Vienna Philharmonic orchestra.  Some makes of horn vary from sample to sample to a significant degree; there are bad Vienna horns on the market (new and used), and a novice horn player may believe the fault is with their playing; do not make this mistake.  A good Vienna horn is better than the F slide of a double horn, high register accuracy is achievable, albeit a bit scary at first. If important notes cannot be sounded, then think very carefully before buying the horn. (alternative fingering may help).  

Price (a rough guide)

A top quality, new Vienna horn, will cost between €5000 and €6300 (euros).

A quality used horn in good working order will generally cost between €2000 and €4000 (euros).  

Old horns in need of servicing or restoration, and collectible horns in poor condition may only cost a fraction of the above to purchase.  Only after repairs will you really know if these horns can work well.