Storlie Y-DNA Haplogroup History

Time: Last 400 years

Storlie, Thoen, Hovde, Grimsgaard farms

Every male's Y chromosome, when compared to hundreds of thousands of other men's Y chromosomes, tells a tale. By examining the number of mutations that accumulate in this otherwise highly stable chromosome, we can determine relatively accurately how many generations separate any two men from their common paternal line grandfather. My particular Y chromosome came from my father, who got it from his father, and so on. Thus, it came via a Storlie immigrant to Spring Grove, Minneota from Nes in Hallingdal in Norway. The town of Nesbyen, in Nes, is marked with an A in the top map on the left.
 
The Storlie farm near Nesbyen, is located next to the Thoen farm. When a Norwegian man moved from the farm on which he was born to a new farm, he took on the name of the new farm as his surname. Thus, the Storelie who is my paternal ancestor came from Thoen and was originally named Thoen. His paternal ancestors were Hovdes and Grimsgaards.

Time: 550 Years ago

Devegge-Dunvegan Saga

The Grimsgaards were neighbors to and descendants of the Devegges. Nes legend has it that the Devegges were descendants of "Clemet" and "Bela" Mary McLeod of Dunveggan (marked with an A on the second map on the left). Clemet was born in 1405 and Bela was born about 1415. Clemet was the son of the Earl of Argyll and he had to flee after he had killed a member of the prominent Fraser family in a duel. He moved originally to Harris, where he wished to marry his love Mary Mac Leon. They were prohibited by Mary's mother from marrying because Mary's mother belonged to the Fraser family. They fled to inland Norway, to Nesbyen where they had a family. The people of Nes are descendants of this couple many times over.

"Devegge is a farm in central Nes. In the same area lies the farms Arnegård, Onsgard (Ønsga), Tolleiv Gard (Tøllisga), Havard Gard (Havasga), Olsgard and Grim Gard (Gremsga). It was customary to give names to the garden according to the primary person in context with garden. So where did Devegge come from? Devegge seems to come from the legend of the Scottish couple who came to Nes from the Hebrides as refugees. In the context of a murder story after a duel they had to flee. The young couple were not just anyone. He was a son of the Count of Argyll, while she came from the mighty MacLeod clan with its main seat at Dunvegan Castle, Isle of Skye. Why they went to Norway? There was also mention of Scottish highlands. We shall not here tell the complete legend, but it is interesting why they selected to travel to Norway. If so, then we will see the story in something further context. In the Viking Age Norwegians immigrated to the North of Scotland and all the islands around Scotland. They were dominant in both in Orkney, the Hebrides, and Man. Today all farm names in Orkney have an old Norse origin and in the Hebrides about 50% of the farm names have an old Norse origin. " (Source: http://neshistorielag.org/var-lokalhistorie-2/neshistoria-fram-til-reformasjonen/macleod-dunvegan-devegge/)(Please forgive Google Translate for its many mistakes)Through the centuries, people in Hallingdal spoke of the Count Clement and his wife Belju, who according to tradition was supposed to have run away from Scotland and selected Nes as refuge. It is said that the Lady belonged to the famous MacLeod-the clan that resided at DunveganCastle, and when the couple settled in Nes, they called their new home: Devegge. In the fall of 1967, it was arranged a festive gathering in Edinburgh, where the then-"Chief" of the MacLeod clan. Dame Flora MacLeod of Dunvegan, met with Devegge descendants, and the NORWEGIAN BROADCASTING CORPORATION Television made the program "Scots-Norwegian family meeting of the Hallingdal ". 

The first written source about Devegge legend can be found in Fogdens Wiels description from 1743. After having referred to the old one, magnificent Deveggestua he writes: A count, displaced from the Scotland, named Clemet, ... His lady, named Belju, hedt siges that have built the Church, which is going to be 7 years younger end House, and when the Church's building should be listed as a long time after, and be attributed to the Lady, it seems that the manden at the time must have the weather dead. This shows that they have besiddet good funds, and the story haver no urimelighed, when one observes the strong correspondence where he the weather between the ancient Norwegian and British insuler.»

Several historians have made the interest in the legend or tradition about the Devegge and carried out investigations, but no one has found any evidence that a Scottish count settled here and gave name to the farm. Among others have Rolf Scheen made a part surveys. He has even been in Scotland on the Dunvegan Castle, where the MacLeod clan has resided for many hundreds of years, and he has written to the family historian, The Honoray Canon r. C MacLeod at the Cathedral in Newcastle, and referred to the question him about it on the Scottish side is something that could to solve the riddle of whether or not there was a count Clement from the Scotland that came to Nes. Scheen tells us that "the revered 78-year-old historian" was very interested and were discussing the matter with another Scottish historian, John MacKenzie, which at the time knew more about the West Highlands history and tradition than any other living human.

From the two men, he had the following possible conclusions: "Due to the black did not come to Hebriderne. The killing was very ordinary and the Earl of the Argyll's eldest son killed approximately 1430 a Member of the prominent family Fraser in a duel. He had to flee in order to avoid revenge and first went to Harris, where he fell in love in a young girl, Mary MacLeod. Mary's mother belonged to the Fraser family, so it was forbidden by her parents to allow the marriage. The young Argyll had to leave tilsjøs, but after several years, he was so bold to come back, married Mary-and together they fled to Norway. In order to remain hidden in their new country, they had to take out two new names, and the young Argyll took the name after its patron saint St. Clemen, as the day today has a church dedicated to him in Ramsdale, Harris. Mary made a name for himself based on the Argyllernes family name Cambel (Bella, maybe first Cambella) the House they built they called up after her home, Dunvegan - that name evolved to Devegge.» How to write I mean the Scottish historian.

On the basis of various other information have Scheenfound out that they must have come to Norway around 1440. He further argues that the recent DOE who is supposed to have known the secret about count Clemet and Bella was the Manager, "It Ankerske The House " in the Fred the bear, Frederik Clemetsen which was born in 1791. He is said to have told he descended from count Clement and that his ancestors in more than 300 years alternately had carried the names Clemet and Frederik. Frederik Clemetsen in Fred the Mayor of Halden had his grandfather Frederick Clemetsen of Modum, and in this the district we find the admittedly more farms where these names go.

Once again. It is not unlikely that there came a count Clement from Scotland to Norway around 1440, but it is unlikely that Devegge has something to do with Dunvegan to do. And if it were to have come a Mrs. «Belju» to Devegge around 1440, it is in all sure that she's not built any church. The old stave church in the Nes, which was torn down in the 1860 's, was demonstrably built before due to the Black Plague.
 
Dunvegan Castle
 

R1A1* Y-DNA User Match

Because every Y chromosome tells a tale, I decided to do a user match search that compared my Y chromosome with hundreds of thousands of other Y chromosome. The results quickly brought me back to the old legend. I share a common Y Chromosome haplotype with individuals who claim their descent from the Isle of Skye in Scotland with a time to most recent common ancestor of 12 to 13 generations.
 

Descendants of Isle of Skye

 
While this Dunvegan legend and family trees were interesting to me, it wasn't until after I had my Y chromosome genotyped and started seeing who in the world had the closest Y-DNA match to me that I realized that the legend was plausible and, in fact, a parsimonious explanation for the strange genotypic matchup similiarities with Nes within 12 generations, then the Isle of Skye about 12-18 generations, and then Norway and Viking territories again. Dunvegan castle is located on the Isle of Sky. Yes the Vikings certainly conquered this area, but the time to the most recent common ancestor with members of the Isle of Skye was long after the last Vikings.
 
As more individuals perform the yDNA testing, I will update the results. I am particularly interested in autosomal DNA matches of Nes people with Isle of Skye individuals to see if they show more similarity than those who do not claim ancestry from the Devegges. Now yDNA history.
 

Time: Approximately 1000 years ago

Vikings and the Western Isles

Below are my compiled results from 23andme and genebase. Images and text are primarily from my Genebase results.
 
More distant Y-DNA user matches reveal that those whose Y-DNA is most similar to my particular Y-DNA can trace (within the last 800 years) their paternal line back to Iceland, Norway, and Scotland. TMRCA (Time to Most Recent Common Ancestor) analysis suggests that Storlies (of Nes) share a common Viking-age grandfather with these individuals.
 
 
 
Based on the results of my Y-DNA SNP Test, my Y-DNA Haplogroup is confirmed as Haplogroup R1A1*. 
 
More distant cousins are found in Eastern Europe.(Nes) Storlie very distant R1a Y-DNA cousins are Hindis, found primarily in Northern India. It may be that R1b represented an initial migration into Europe. This was followed by R1a that evolved into a Scandinavian R1A1*. On the other hand, some data published in a scholarly journal concludes that R1A1* evolved in India.
 

Time: approx 2500 Years ago: Hindu Origins of R1A1*

Estimated R1A distribution frequency about 1500 Current Era. (Source: 23andMe) Haplogroup R1a originated in the Near East or present-day Pakistan around 15,000 years ago. After sheltering in the Black Sea region during the Ice Age, men bearing the haplogroup began expanding northward into eastern Europe about 12,000 years ago.

Migration Map of Haplogroup R1a. Simplified migration map showing different haplogroups leading to R1A. Prior to receiving a few mutations in Scandinavia, my paternal line's Y-chromosome traced its way out of Africa roughly following the path above and described below.

About the Haplogroup Migration Map

Researchers are able to plot the migration path of our ancient paternal ancestors by examining the pattern of Y-DNA SNP markers found in "indigenous" populations from around the world. By determining the location where key Y-DNA SNP markers first arose and the approximate time that each Y-DNA SNP marker arose, researchers have been able to successfully plot the ancient migration patterns of man based on the pattern of SNPs found in their Y-DNA. SNP markers are often referred to as "time and date stamps" because each marker can be traced back to a particulartime and place in history. By testing the SNP markers in your own Y-DNA, you can determine your unique pattern of SNP markers. Your Y-DNA SNP markers allow you to confirm your Y-DNA Haplogroup and view the migration patterns of your own paternal ancestors.
Understanding the Haplogroup Migration Map. The Y-DNA Haplogroup migration map shows the place of origin of your paternal ancestors and the subsequent migration pattern of ensuing generations based on the unique pattern of SNPs found in your Y-DNA.

The arrows represent the geographical migration pattern of your paternal ancestors based on the pattern of SNP markers found in your Y-DNA. Each SNP marker that you carry can be traced back to the time and place that the marker first originated. By plotting each positive SNP marker from your Y-DNA SNP Backbone Panel against the time and place that the SNP marker was known to originate, the migration pattern of your ancient paternal ancestors can be determined. The overall migration pattern is determined by connecting each positive Y-DNA SNP marker. Click here to download a copy of the Y-DNA phylogenetic tree which shows in greater detail how each SNP marker in the Y-DNA is associated with various haplogroups.

Click here to explore the phylogenetic tree of human Y-DNA and see how your confirmed Y-DNA haplogroup is connected to other major haplogroups.

As indicated in the Map view, the Y-DNA haplogroups that are ancestral to your confirmed Y-DNA haplogroup appear in the following order:

Haplogroup R1a

Time: approx 10,000 years ago

Place: Eastern Europe

The founder of Haplogroup R1a lived 10,000 years ago in the Eurasian steppes north of the Black and Caspian Seas (the Ukraine or Southern Russia). It is associated with Kurgan culture and reflects an early Indo-European ethnicity. Kurgans were characteristic of Bronze Age nomadic peoples of the steppes, from the Altay Mountains to the Caucasus and Romania.

Today, Haplogroup R1a is found in the Slavic populations of Eastern Europe, Northern Central Asia and India. The highest frequency of this haplogroup is Eastern Europe with highest levels in Poland and Russia. It is also widespread in Turkic speaking populations and eastern European Fino-Ugric and Slavic speakers. 35% of all people in the Czech Republic belong to Haplogroup R1a.

Haplogroup R1a is directly linked to the spread of Indo-European languages, including English, French, German, Russian, Spanish, several Indian languages such as Bengali and Hindi.

Haplogroup R1a is associated with the putative Indo-Aryan invasion, with highest frequency Northern India. Haplogroup R1a can be found in Indians of diverse linguistic and geographic affiliation. It is found at high concentrations in Punjab, but also at a relatively high frequency (26%) in the Chenchu tribe, and is also present in 35% of the Hindi speaking population. (Excerpted verbatim from my Genebase results)

Haplogroup R

Time: approx 30,000 years ago

Place: Europe

Another important branch of Haplogroup P is Haplogroup R. Individuals belonging to Haplogroup R carry the distinct Haplogroup P marker M45, but are further distinguished by an additional marker in their Y-DNA called M173. The presence of the M173 marker is unique to all individuals who descended from this line and can be confirmed with SNP testing.

The man who founded Haplogroup R lived in North West Asia approximately 30,000 years ago. His descendents migrated into Europe and many regions of Europe.

Haplogroup R has several major sub-branches:

  • R1a, which is very common among the Slavic and Scandinavian populations;
  • R1b, which is associated with the Cro-Magnon people of western Europe; and
  • R2, which is found mainly in India. (Excerpted verbatim from my Genebase results)
Haplogroup P

Time: approx 35,000 years ago

Place: Northern Eurasia

Haplogroup P is a branch that stems from Haplogroup K. Individuals belonging to Haplogroup P carry the Y-DNA M9 marker of Haplogroup K, and are further characterized by an additional marker in their Y-DNA called M45. The presence of the M45 marker is unique to all individuals who descended from this line and can be confirmed with SNP testing.

This haplogroup arose approximately 40,000 years ago, north of the Hindu Kush, a mountain range in Afghanistan and northern areas of Pakistan that forms the westernmost extension of the Pamir Mountains. These ancestors migrated north of the Hindu Kush into Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan and southern Siberia.

Today, Haplogroup P is an ancient haplogroup which is seldom found as an undifferentiated Haplogroup (very few people today belong to Haplogroup P, most belong to the major branches which arose from descendents of Haplogroup P, including Haplogroups Q and R). Haplogroup P is significant because it is the direct ancestor of Haplogroups Q and R. Haplogroup Q is the haplogroup of the majority of indigenous peoples of the Americas and Haplogroup R is the founding haplogroup of a majority of Europeans. Haplogroup P can be found in low levels in India, Pakistan, China, and Tibet. (Excerpted verbatim from my Genebase results)


Special Credit to the sites from which I drew this information, sometimes verbatim:

Genebase

23andme

Ancestry.com

Sorenson Molecular Genomics

Family Tree DNA

  
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