..fortsat fra del 1 ...

http://timworstall.typepad.com/timworstall/2008/03/oxy-silver.html:
"Dr. Beck tested the above three forms of silver for penetrability of living tissue. He found that all forms of colloidal and ionic silver had a 5% to 6% effectiveness for penetrating the cell membrane. When he tested the 2,000 ppm water-soluble Silver, he was astonished to see a 100% penetration!      

Important Note:
OXY-Silver does not build up in your body, unlike most colloidal silver products. Ordinary colloidal silver must be broken down by the liver and digestive system. Our water-soluble (gaseous state) silver particles never reach your liver because they are small enough to penetrate directly into the tissues!"

http://www.worldimagenaturals.com/products/minerals/:
"Silver Mineral Supplement is in the crystalline (absorbable) form found in plants. It is water-soluble and does not build up in the body like colloidal silver can. Colloidal silver particles are too large for the body to use and discharge."

http://altered-state.com/index2.htm?/healing/info.htm [colloidal silver]:
"This article continues with an important warning about the detoxifying effects of consuming a colloidal silver supplement: "If your body is extremely ill or toxic, do not be in a hurry to clear up everything at once. If pathogens are killed off too quickly, the body's five eliminatory channels (liver, kidneys, skin, lungs, and bowel) may be temporarily overloaded, causing flu-like conditions, headache, extreme fatigue, dizziness, nausea or aching muscles."


http://sortlifeout.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=405:
"Colloidal Silver Maker by Zappertek £94.95 including pair of rods"

http://sortlifeout.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=45_41&products_id=406:
"Colloidal Silver Replacement Silver Rods ( 1 pair ) £12.95
The silver is 1.5mm wire and it is 99.99% pure (as pure as can get) The silver is from a silver exchange in the city so it is bona fide real. Approx 9cm long.
Q. So, how do you know when they need replacing??

A. When the silver goes into the water it slowly will make one rod shorter than the other, you can change them over and it will then start coming of that rod. Over years the rods will become 8cm then 7cm, 6cm etc. when they are too short to go into the water then they need replacing. I don't know anyone as yet who has used them so much that they have had to replace them. We do sell the extra rods and people like to buy a spare just in case. Some take them abroad for example and want to always have a spare pair."

http://www.electronichealing.co.uk/cesta.htm:
"To make colloidal silver with your CESta, you will need the Colloidal Silver Making Kit (patch cord, silver rods, silver rod holder, plastic spacer and sessions). The CESta provides a constant current output with a maximum of 1.5 milliamps.  As a result, it offers a very simple procedure to make high quality colloidal silver.
Cesta CES Machine £249 inc. VAT
Colloidal Silver Making Kit £75 inc. VAT    
Colloidal Silver Replacement Rods £20 inc. VAT"

http://www.the-natural-choice.co.uk/Silver-Smart-Colloidal-Silver-Maker.html:
"Silver Smart Colloidal Silver Maker £197.77  incl. VAT 15%
...With the Silver Smart, the concentration of the silver colloid can be set between 10ppm (parts per million) and 30ppm.
Since this unit measures and displays the water resistance (in micro Siemens), it can also independently be used as a water resistance meter. This is useful to know how light or how mineralized tap or bottled water is, and to check the functionality of a water filter."
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohm%27s_law:
"While the old term for electrical conductance, the mho (the inverse of the resistance unit ohm), is still used, a new name, the siemens, was adopted in 1971, honoring Ernst Werner von Siemens. The siemens is preferred in formal papers."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siemens_%28unit%29:
"The siemens (symbol: S) is the SI derived unit of electric conductance. It is equal to inverse ohm.., and was previously called the mho."]

[om Conductivity/Resistance]:
"Conductivity (electrolytic)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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The conductivity (or specific conductance) of an electrolyte solution is a measure of its ability to conduct electricity. The SI unit of conductivity is Siemens per metre (S/m).

Conductivity measurements are used routinely in many industrial and environmental applications as a fast, inexpensive and reliable way of measuring the ionic content in a solution.[1] For example, the measurement of product conductivity is a typical way to monitor and continuously trend the performance of the water purification systems.

In many cases, conductivity is linked directly to the total dissolved solids (T.D.S.). High quality deionized water has a conductivity of about 5.5 µS/m, typical drinking water in the range of 5-50 mS/m, while sea water about 5 S/m[2] (i.e., sea water's conductivity is one million times higher than deionized water).

Conductivity is traditionally determined by measuring the AC resistance of the solution between two electrodes. Dilute solutions follow Kohlrausch's Laws of concentration dependence and additivity of ionic contributions. Onsager gave a theoretical explanation of Kohlrausch's law by extending Debye–Hückel theory.

Units

The SI unit of conductivity is S/m and, unless otherwise qualified, it refers to 25 °C (standard temperature). Often encountered in industry is the traditional unit of µS/cm. The values in µS/cm are higher than those in µS/m by a factor of 100. Occasionally a unit of "EC" (electrical conductivity) is found on scales of instruments: 1 EC = 1 µS/cm. Sometimes encountered is so-called mho (reciprocal of ohm): 1 mho/m = 1 S/m.

The commonly used standard cell has a width of 1 cm, and thus for very pure water in equilibrium with air would have a resistance of about 106 ohm, known as a megaohm. Ultra-pur
e water could achieve 18 megaohms or more. Thus in the past megaohm-cm was used (= µS/cm), sometimes abbreviated to "megaohm".[3] Sometimes, a conductivity is given just in "microSiemens" (omitting the distance term in the unit). While this is an error, it can often be assumed to be equal to the traditional µS/cm. The typical conversion of conductivity to the total dissolved solids is done assuming that the solid is sodium chloride: 1 µS/m is then an equivalent of about 60 mg of NaCl per kg of water.

Molar conductivity has the SI unit S m2 mol-1. Older publications use the unit O-1 cm2 mol-1.

Definitions

Resistance, R, is proportional to the distance, l, between the electrodes and is inversely proportional to the cross-sectional area of the sample, A. Writing ? (rho) for the specific resistance (or resistivity),

    R=\frac{ l}{A}\rho. "

http://store.tuberosestore.com/hipapernime.html:
"If you want to test your water for usability prior to making colloidal silver, this is the unit for you. It will read microsiemens (uS/cm) which is a measure of conductivity. If your water measures less than 2 uS it is acceptable for CS production. As an additional benefit, this instrument can closely relate the reading to parts per million (PPM) of ionic/colloidal silver after you have produced it.

If the water was pure to start with, this meter will read colloidal silver directly in ppm by applying a correction factor. We have tested our colloidal silver for ppm using the atomic absorption method and this meter reads those samples within a close percent of the laboratory results.
$99.00"

http://colloidalsilvermaster.com/tds_meter.htm:
"TDS METER
OUTSTANDING PARTS PER MILLION TESTER
TDS1
Total Dissolved Solids Tester
by Hanna Instruments
Reads TDS Up To 999 PPM
Great For Testing The
PPM's Of Ionic Mineral Solutions!

As well as testing Hydroponics Solutions, RO/DI Water,
Metal Halide and High pressure sodium
US Dollars $45.00 includes free shipping to Canada & USA"

http://colloidalsilvermaster.com/instructions.htm#Specifications [interessant produkt, men det er svært at finde detaljer om DC versionen]:
"A PWT [pure water test] meter (by Hanna Instruments etc.) measures conductivity, this data is then interpolated to reflect the parts per million. Although there is no inexpensive device that directly measures ppm, we have found that this method is a very reliable method to approximate the ppm. It is accurate to within 2 percent full scale. The interpolation of the conductivity to PPM translates to approximately less than 1 PPM full scale regarding accuracy.

..In particular metals that fall into the category of elements know as the transitional group, (such as silver) are very anomalous, in that, they have attributes that are drastically different when in the atomic or sub-micron colloidal state, than when crystallized into the common metallic form. Science is not in agreement about where the line is drawn between one state and another, science is in search of ways to quantify with accuracy at what point colloidal silver clusters are considered metallic.

Our difficulty at the moment is to attempt to give the reader an understanding of why we have chosen the process that we use. We have reason to believe that that a wide range of particle sizes should be considered. Apparently nano-clusters of silver have electrons are actively in motion on the surface of the particle, this causes the particles to attract water molecules which result in changes to the water its self, such as a reduction in surface tension, and the potential for structuring of the water molecules. The human body requires a reduced surface tension of water in order to absorb nutrients and expel waste. The water that surrounds cells has a surface tension of approximately 45 dynes. Unfortunately tap water is normally about 70 dynes, that means the body has to reduce the surface tension of the water in order for it to be used effectively to feed and cleanse the cells.

Our first goal is to create a dispersion that has a reduced surface tension, which is noted to be a phenomena of particles smaller than the normal metallic state."
 

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=400059472644&ssPageName=ADME:X:eRTM:DE:1123:
"Silbergenerator Kolloidales Silber colloidal silver
3mm Elektroden + Alucase + Timer gratis
..Preis:    EUR [75 + 9 for shipping, se email til ego:
Hallo,
die Begrenzung erfolgt über Widerstand.
 
Polarität können Sie durch vertauschen der Elektroden erreichen.
 
Preisvorschlag wenn Sie direkt per Email kaufen ist 75 Euro (+9 Euro Versand)
 
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Fa. Zapper&Co Unternehmergesellschaft]

Zusätzlich sorgt die Kombination aus qualitativ hochwertigem Schalttransformator und im Silbergenerator integrierte Strombegrenzung für einen minimalen Stromfluss.
Der Silbergenerator arbeitet konstant im µA - Bereich, was sehr kleine Silberkolloide zur folge hat.

Den µA-Bereich gewährleistet dieser Silbergenerator durch die Versorgung jeder Funktion mit einem eigenem Stromkreis. Somit haben Sie keine stromziehenden Nebenbauteile im Produktionsstromkreis.
Wie z.B. LEDs (mA-Bereich 1000 Fach!)"

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220478835534&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT:
"'2CV-TIBETsxs'® Turbo (ohne Silberstaebe)
           inclusive zwei 9-Volt Batterien, Anleitung (dt./ engl./ franz)
              und  auf Wunsch  mit einer Pocket Pump-Sprayflasche
           kann  als Turbo mit  3, 4 oder 6 Silberstaeben bestueckt werden 
                         und funktioniert -  je nach Zahl der eingesetzten Staebe : 
              als  Turbo (3x6)  TRIPOD                Lite Turbo  3 Staebe
       .. als Turbo (4x6)   QUAD             Full Turbo  4 Staebe
    .. als Turbo (6x6)  SIXFOOT     POWER Turbo  6 Staebe
EUR 29,00   
Versand:    EUR 7,00 Deutsche Post

Silberstaebe,  bei Bedarf:
Jeder Silberstab .99999  ( Silberelektrode 99,999% !!)  kostet € 9.-

[email:
hallo Nikolaj
vielen Dank für die email und das Interesse an meinem Generator.
1.Der Generator ist strombegrenzt mit einem elektrischen Widerstand, zum Schutz gegen Kurzschluss.
  Ein weiterer natürlicher Widerstand ist die Verwendung von destilliertem und entmineralisiertem Wasser,
 da fliessen am Anfang  bei 1-5 microSiemens gerade mal 0,3 mA.
2. Es ist nicht möglich, die Polarität an den Elektroden zu wechseln.
   Dies ist auch nicht nötig, da die Ionen im Sechseck (beim Turbo 6x6) zirkulieren und somit multipolar agieren.
3. Ein Rabatt ist nicht vorgesehen,
   aber ich habe bis jetzt immer den Preis etwas nach unten abgerundet und den versicherten Versand übernommen. 
Mit vielen Grüssen Steffen]"

http://www.mediverse.de/shop/index.php/cat/c39_Units-for-home-production.html:
"SilverMaster Easy
Small, affordable yet excellent unit for creating colloidal silver. only 69.90 EUR
SilverMaster
Create better colloidal silver with 2 modes of operation, one with AC squared wave voltage 149.99 EUR"

http://www.mediverse.de/shop/index.php/cat/c25_SOTA-Products.html:
"Silver Pulser Lite
Our new SP Lite is specifically designed for high reliability and an un-heard-of LOW price. It is simply a low cost version of the Silver Pulser. 129.00 EUR

Sota Silver Pulser and Bio Stimulator
The Silver Pulser is a dual function unit 1) Bio-Stimulator and 2) Ionic/Colloidal Silver Generator with Constant-Current. Bio-Stimulator translates to Beck Zapper in this case. 214.99 EUR"

http://sotainstruments.com/original/documents/faqs.html:
"How do I make Ionic/Colloidal Silver using the Constant Current method?
This method is very simple. Using either a Constant Current Adapter or a unit that has constant current circuitry simply immerse about 75% of the silver wires in 2 cups of room temperature distilled water in a glass jar. Let the unit run for 1½ to 2 hours to produce Ionic/Colloidal Silver in the 5 PPM range. With Constant Current it is not necessary to heat the water to increase conductivity.

(What is the difference between The Zapper, Silver Pulser and Magnetic Pulser?
The Zapper operates on a different technology than the Silver Pulser and/or Magnetic Pulser units.
The Zapper is based on frequency.
The Silver Pulser and/or Magnetic Pulser technology are based on micro-currents of electricity (Silver Pulser) and a variant magnetic field (Magnetic Pulser).)"

http://www.elixa.com/silver/silverpulser.htm [samme sota silver pulser - bare $215 i stedet for EURO 215]:
"ZBB5  Silver Pulser      $215.  (reg $245 with AC Adapter)   (includes Priority Mail shipping in US and Canada)  Includes one pair .9999 silver electrodes, and AC adapter. 9 volt battery included."

http://www.medical-supply-uk.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=71:
"Colloidal Silver Pulser Lite £99.99"

http://www.electronichealing.co.uk/products/silver_pulser.htm:
"Silver Pulser Ionic Colloidal Silver Generator
    £169 inc. VAT"

http://www.cytodoc.co.uk/silver-pulser.htm:
"Sota Silver Pulser
Our Price: £ 149.00
Product is in Stock"

http://www.macromedical.co.uk/index.html?odp=koszykPlatnosc&grp=27&grpM=:
"OZONE WATER MICRO GENERATOR+SILVER PULSER Two devices with full equipment. In set £67 off!
Gross total: £299,00
Weight total: 1500,00 g

Way of shipping:
Way of payment:
Subtotal: £332,89 [inkl. shipping]"

http://www.mediverse.de/shop/product_info.php/info/p90_SilverMaster-Easy.html:
"brownglasbottle 10ml
These brown glass spraybottles with atomizer are, actually, a must, if you:
- Produce your own colloidal silver
- possess a Tens device or
- have an Ozonisator.
2.00 EUR"

http://educate-yourself.org/cs/csgendesc.shtml:
"The Deluxe Colloidal Silver Generator

    By Ken Adachi <Editor>
    http://educate-yourself.org/cs/csgendesc.shtml

    Colloidal Silver (CS) is produced by an electrolysis process.  The making of colloidal silver requires 2 silver electrodes to be placed in a glass container of water and the appropriate electric current applied. The vast majority of CS generators being offered today use batteries in a series wired arrangement which supply DC voltage and current. With battery voltage potential applied, the water acts as a conductive medium as tiny particles of silver sinter off one of the silver electrodes and go into the water. Ideally, the silver particles should remain suspended in the water as a colloid solution due to the positive electric charge on each silver particle which allows the particles to repel each other and remain suspended."

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/silverdatawebsite/message/3622:
"Since I have received several requests about my choice for a good CS
generator, I will state my preferences. Keep in mind that these are
my recommendations, not those of anybody else. I am not a
scientist but a simple alternative medicine researcher/enthusiast.

I started out over 10 years ago using three 9-volt batteries and
two .9999 silver wires. I then progressed through the Silver
Pulser, Colloid Master, SilverGen SG6, Silver Puppy and lastly,
SilverGen SG7. All of these units have their pluses and minuses but
I was after one thing at first....clear CS, good Tyndall and the
ability to make 3-20ppm. Of course, speed and ease of use is
important.

I have experimented with all sorts of production methods including
heating the water, mechanical stirrers, thermal and magnetic
stirrers, "bubbler" stirrers. I have compared/contrasted low ppm (3-
5)with high (20-30 ppm) and its effects on the few health problems
that I have encountered as well as the many other uses of CS. To
detail all this would be a really long exercise which I will have to
save for a future time. Let it suffice to say that if I had to pick
my favorite units, I have three.

My first choice for small batches (6-32oz) of 3-12ppm of quality CS
would be the Silver Puppy (www.silverpuppy.com). Coyote's units are
top notch, easy to use, utilize thermal or magnetic stirring (both
are great), relatively inexpensive and produce pretty consistent
batches of clear to pale yellow CS with excellent Tyndall. Of
course his units have many more features but go to his website to
learn more. There is also lots of good info on his site, at least
when I last checked (many months ago?). Using various techniques,
directions are given for obtaining higher ppm. I have gone as high
as 50ppm and still had clear CS.

My second choice for small batches would be the SilverGen SG6
(www.silvergen.com). This unit uses a mechanical stirrer which
produces pretty consistent, high quality batches of 3-12 ppm CS.
Higher ppm are also possible with this unit using different
procedures.

The unit I use for greater quantities (and my favorite unit) is the
SilverGen SG7 (www.silvergen.com). Yes this unit is expensive but
considering that it can produce 5 gallons of crystal clear 22ppm CS
in 8 hours makes it pay for itself in no time. I have never made a
bad batch with this unit. It is also the easiest to use.....simply
fill the bucket with 5 gallons of good distilled water, put
the "bubbler" in the bottom, place the huge silver electrode
assembly across the top, plug everything in and let it run. You can
adjust the ppm but I usually crank it up and let it run fo about 8
hours. I always get 20-22 ppm crystal clear CS which stays clear
after storing for months in clear, clean, Mason canning jars. The CS
is so clear that you wonder if the unit is working, but when you
shine a red laser through it you see the great tyndall. Then you
check with a Hannah meter and see that it went from .5-.9ppm
(distilled water) to 22 ppm and you know this stuff is good!

Like I said, I have not been to the above websites in awhile but I
would bet that they have essentially the same info and units.

Yes, I know, that the reading from the Hannah TDS meter may not
directly relate to exact silver ppm, but it is the easiset reference
point to use with which to compare batches and CS generators.
..Mike"

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/silverdatawebsite/message/3625:
"> Hi Mike:
>
> I agree with your assessment on the CS generators that are
available for the
> home brewer. There's some great advice there.
>
> I would like to state that I now no longer personally recommend
the
> production of EIS above 12 or 13 PPM. Even with the best home
generators,
> one makes quality sacrifices. Increased agglomeration occurs, and
it is
> most likely that one is actually producing other compounds as
well. This
> may not ALWAYS happen, but if checks and balances aren't in place,
I believe
> it is better to go with the product I know is of the highest
possible
> quality.
>
> For everyone who enjoys taking production a little bit further:
>
> To be certain of quality and to get a better estimate of PPM:
>
> 1. Consider a Hanna PWT over a TDS meter. The instrument is far
more
> accurate. Plus, calibration of Silvergen products for PPM
estimates were
> done with a Hanna PWT.
>
> 2. Measure the starting PH of the water, and the starting
conductivity.
> Try to use a distilled water that has a PH close to 7.0, and a
distilled
> water that reads 0.3 uS ( ...try not to use a distilled water that
reads
> above 0.9 ).
>
> 3. Colloidal and ionic silver have no or very, very little effect
on PH.
> Therefore, if you are starting out with a distilled water with a
PH level of
> 7.0, and you end up with a product with a PH level of 5.5 ( very
common with
> those who use the HVAC method ), then you likely have at least a 5-
15 PPM
> 'contamination' of undesireable compounds in your brew. In some
cases, we
> know that the contimation is nitrogen, which means that there is a
> probability
>
> As far as the ion vs. colloid issue, one won't get away with
blanket
> statements unsupported by real science -- not on this list.
Silver ions are
> far more effect than silver particles, always have been and always
will be.
> However, ions are very, very quick to react ( which is what makes
them so
> effective ), so there are some benefits to negatively charged
clusters of
> particles with a high zeta potential. They may have 'access' to
tissues
> that repel positive ions. They may reach areas of the body intact
that ions
> rarely do.
>
> The quality of the particulate content of a isolated silver
product can only
> be determined by SEM or TEM. AAS and other 'more fancy'
technologies fail
> drastically to fully characterize a colloid. There is absolutely
a definate
> relationship between the actual effectiveness of an EIS product,
and the
> particle dispersion. No matter how 'tiny' the particles are
according to
> AAS, if the particle dispersion is poor, then the product is not
that
> impressive at killing pathogens, which likely means that in the
body it is
> far less oligodynamic.
>
> Even so, have no fear: Production of CS using the Silvergen SG6
or the SG-7
> ( or the silverpuppy for that matter ) results in a product that
is about
> 85% ionic and 15% particulate.
>
> In other words, there are plenty of ions and particles-- enough so
that
> should it should make everyone happy.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Jason"

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/4COLLOIDALSILVER/message/261 [Ode]:
"Eyeballs are even less well calibrated than a meter. TE is a "guess"
Far too many factors affect TE for that to be any sort of gauge on its own."

http://www.silvergen.com/shop/:
"SG7 Pro Electrode Assembly
Electrode assembly for use with the SG7 Pro generator. This assembly will produce several thousand gallons of CS depending on the strength. [OK, de producerer altså tilsyneladende min. 10.000 liter]"

http://www.silvergen.com/links_resources.htm:
"Does Colloidal Silver Stay In Your System?

Do you wonder what happens to CS when you drink it.  Here's the answer.   "Colloidal Silver.  Where does it go when you drink it?  How long does it stay there?"  This paper was written by Roger Altman.

IONIC VS COLLOIDAL

Here's some more information on whether ionic or particulate (colloidal) is more efficacious and whether the ionic portion is neutralized before entering the bloodstream.  This is from the silver list.  Ivan is a respected researcher and lives in New Zealand.

"Well, I was bound to comment on the ionic vs elemental colloid thread
eventually...

Firstly the idea that silver ions precipitate out in the alimentary
tract, and never make it to the blood stream, is pure speculation.
This theory is most eloquently proposed by Purest Colloids who market
a product of high elemental colloid percentage.

However the theory, I believe, is pretty much debunked by an article
which is (ironically) found on the Purest Colloids sister web site:
http://www.silver-colloids.com/Papers/AltmanStudy.PDF
NOTE:  This is the study shown above.

This study was written by Roger Altman (who used to grace this list
with his not inconsiderable presence) and details the elimination vs
ingestion of what would be a high ionic percentage CS. He found that
pretty much what is ingested is what comes out, and that a high
percentage comes out in the urine. Now these ions did not get into the
urine by precipitating out and not getting into the blood stream,
obviously the blood stream is exactly where they ended up.

The fact that a high percentage of ingested ions emerged in the urine
also suggests that little is bound in the tissues (at least in this
case) which further suggests that in order to develop argyria, a large
amount of silver must be consumed, and/or specific (and unusual?)
circumstances are present, such as deficiencies in vitamin E and/or
selenium (or perhaps overdose of selenium, as suggested by some
research).

What the fate of silver ions in the blood before elimination is moot,
however my own observations would suggest that they are at least as
effective as elemental colloids in controlling infection... so don't
throw away your 9v battery generator just yet!
Ivan." "

http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/cpr21/Home-brew-SG7-Nano-size.pdf
[!!! Interessant - De har fået lavet en Malvern partikel størrelses test - lige som Silverpuppyen - så er det bare at sammenligne!! Hvis de altså har brygget en reel omgang CS på SG7'eren!!]

http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/cpr21/cpr_21.html [og de har også testet Ion/partikel-andelene for CS fra SG7]:
"Percent Ionic: 98.6%
Percent Particles: 1.4%"

http://silvermedicine.org/classification-colloidal-silver.html:
"While determining the total concentration of silver as measured in parts per million is important, it is also important to determine the amount of ionic silver vs. particulate silver. Furthermore, determining the average particle sizing and particle dispersion is of paramount importance when gauging isolated silver quality.

Transmission Electron Microscopy ( TEM )

Transmission electron microscopy is an affordable and extremely revealing test procedure. While there are those who state that TEM is not an ideal scientific instrument for classifying colloidal silver, we beg to differ [Jason er uenig med Ken/Silverpuppy!!]. There is a direct correlation between particle dispersion characteristics and the antimicrobial properties of colloidal silver. With two products of equal concentration, the characteristics may be completely different, and these differences will not be revealed by other testing methods, even those done with extremely advanced equipment (such as with an HHPS or PCS)."

http://silver-medicine.org/about-silver.html:
"We coined the term "EIS" in order to help distinguish the difference between different silver formulations available on the market. Generally speaking, EIS products are more effective, more advanced, and safer to use than other products.

Electrically Isolated Silver ( EIS ) refers to silver formulations containing only silver ions ( Ag+ ) and minute silver particles ( with a zeta potential ), suspended ( or dissolved ) in pure distilled water ( H2O ). EIS is usually crystal clear, displays a tyndall effect, and has a silver concentration between 3 and 26 PPM."

http://www.silverlungs.com/online_store.html
http://silverlungs.com/breathe.html:
"Breathing a silver solution is the fastest delivery method into the system. Nebulizing completely bypasses the time involved for absorption through the digestive system which also reduces the interaction of the silver ions with other contents in the stomach.

Nebulized silver ions are highly-active when delivered through the lungs and provide a much greater potency vs. oral ingestion. This is clearly the most effective method of administration for targeting the respiratory system for respiratory infections. Oral ingestion of colloidal silver is the least effective method of addressing respiratory ailments and is better suited for the digestive system.

The medical-grade nebulizer we offer is virtually silent based on the "ultrasonic" technology it incorporates. Ultrasonic water particulation is the most superior method of generating water particles as small as 1.5 microns in diameter allowing them to easily reach the smallest areas of the lungs.
   
Nasal Administration - The most effective way of delivering silver to the sinus cavities.

Respiratory Administration - The best method of distributing the silver directly to the inner lining of the lungs and into the bloodstream.

Oral Administration - This is the simplest and most common method and is the path of choice for targeting the entire digestive system.

Ear and Eye Administration - Applying drops of ionic silver to the eyes and ears is the most direct method for ear and eye ailments.

External/Topical Administration - The best choice for external wounds such as burns, cuts, scrapes, lesions, etc. External (topical) use also includes administration for the eyes and ears."

http://www.silvergen.com/cancer_and_silver.htm
http://www.silvergen.com/links_resources.htm
http://www.silvergen.com/shop/ [hmm, silvergen har tilsyneladende ikke produkter, der kører på batterier]

http://www.silvergen.com/sg7pro.htm:
"We do NOT recommend filtering.  It can cause agglomeration if you use an improper filter."

http://www.silvergen.com/informat.htm:
"One way to prevent this is to quickly separate the ions from each other so they do not share an electron ring.  It is done by stirring the water to disperse them.  This can be done by mechanical stirring, thermal heating or bubbling air through the water.  All these methods will do the job but there are some drawbacks to thermal and bubbling methods.  Thermal stirring works best in lower volumes of water.  It is not advisable to use any heat system that warms the water too much since that will contribute to an increase in particle size.  As an example it is alright to use a small wattage light bulb under the production vessel but it would not be appropriate to use a larger volume container and place it on a hotplate because the water would become too warm before the process was complete.  There would be a preponderance of large colloids and the water would most likely turn yellow colored from the large particles.  If the particles grow large enough to reflect light, yellow will be the first color seen.

..We use mechanical stirring because it does not introduce any contaminants and is completely controllable instead of relying on variables such as water temperature and/or quality of air being pumped.  We use an electric motor in the SG6 Auto and a submersible pump in the SG7 Pro.

..Our generators are NOT battery operated.  They work off regular house current and have electronic circuitry which allows our units to make ionic/colloidal silver which is uniform in particle size and is consistent."

http://www.silvermedicine.org/products.html
"The SG7 Pro by SilverGen is the only high capacity colloidal silver generator that we've seen that produces a product with the minute silver particles dispersed properly throughout the solution and does not display signs of extreme agglomeration."

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/silverdatawebsite/message/848:
"Silvergen generators produce a higher particulate silver than say Silverpuppy's
generators. Both produce quality products when used to specs. That's why it is
a good idea to see a TEM of a product, as the process of TEM analysis closely
mirrors (as close as possible) what will be happening in the body. The two
elements that are critical are the size of the particles in the product, and the
distribution ie dispersion of the silver.
..Jason"

http://shop.toolsforhealing.com/SilverGen_SG7_Pro_p/sg-sg7pro.htm:
"SilverGen SG7 Pro High Speed Colloidal Silver Maker Sale Price: $684.00"

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/silverdatawebsite/message/3535:
"I never hesitate to recommend an SG7 Pro to those who want to make a
> lot of
> [EIS] CS fast without killing themselves with high voltage. [a safe and
> effective setup]
>
> Ode

>..Ken,
>
>All I can say is vigorous stirring with the SG7 and high current density
>(electrodes are very close together) produces ionic content as high as
>98.8 % and a very faint Tyndall. (very small colloids). No sparklers or
>fuzzzies. Rapid water movement is what works for me. The surface is seen
>to be in constant movement or roiling "Definition "agitated vigorously;
>in a state of turbulence"
>
>Trem
>www.silvergen.com"

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/silverdatawebsite/message/3112:
"In silverdatawebsite@yahoogroups.com, Jason E <research@s...> wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>
> Most people fail when experimenting with reverse polarity, and give up
> using this method. Trem of Silvergen, with the SG-7, did an excellent
> job making reverse polarity work. I'm not sure if Trem just sat down
> and did it, or if he experimented with the timing and electrode
> configurations to find an ideal system for his machine."

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/silverdatawebsite/message/1686:
"Re: Re: [silvermedicine.org] micro-particle CS

Hi Langsley. Thanks for looking up the silver edge web site. I did not
have time to do that when I wrote, but am reading it now. Because I have
not actually made a CS generator I don't know exactly what I'm looking at in
the pix, but, like you, I would need to see something to back up what they
say. Because they didn't say anything about tests on their own CS in the
letter, that's why I asked on the list if anyone knew anything about it.
Just because one company says they know something doesn't mean it's true, if
they have no back-up data. Granted, not every company is big enough to
pay for scientific tests or studies, but they could have reported on the
results of their own tests.

samala
Renee

-------Original Message-------

From: silverdatawebsite@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 10:07:49
To: CSDW
Subject: Re: Re: [ silvermedicine.org ] micro-particle CS


Their claims are meaningless without some sort of laboratory report to
back them up. in addition the particle size they claim is nothing
unusual My new SG7 Pro from SilverGen produces particle sizes in the
..001 to .005 range. The same is true of their SG6. AND they have
laboratory tests http://www.silvergen.com/toppage2.htm to prove their
statements."

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/silverdatawebsite/message/2429:
"We have had cancer patients have their tumors completely disappear within a few weeks by drinking anywhere from a quart daily to a gallon. I reported this on the silver-list and you should be able to find it on the archives
http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html It is also mentioned on our website at http://www.silvergen.com/cancer_and_silver.htm

Best regards,

Trem"

http://www.csilverhl.com/12701.html:
"When silver was present, the cancer cell de-differentiated and the body was restored." Dr. Gary Smith

http://www.zetatalk.com/health/theal20a.htm:
"Dr.Bjorn Nordstrom, of the Karolinska Institute, Sweden, has used Silver in his cancer cure method, for many years. He says the whole thing is quite simple. This brought rapid remission in patients given up by other doctors."

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/silverdatawebsite/message/2099 [Jason]:
"I'm fascinated by the possible connection between, for lack of better words, the quantum
properties of high-grade colloidal silvers and effectiveness against
pathogen-caused illnesses, as evidence in related fields slowly unravels the
mysteries of energy and frequencies used with the human body."

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/silverdatawebsite/message/1693 [Jason]:
"Bingo Al...

1. There is no silver in measureable existance smaller than a silver ion,
except the possibility of monoatomic silver.

2. Different particle sizes do not effect different conditions.
Ogliodynamic properties are soley responsible for silver effectiveness.
Whether or not different sized "particles" reach different areas of the body
is a different question all together. There is no direct biological
advantage to "larger" particles of silver, under any circumstances. A
silver ion will always be more effective directly than a silver particle.
Every single study in modern history supports this fact. There are some
properties to charged particles than may have a different and beneficial
biological effect; this has nothing to do with sizing, but rather, zeta
potential. Zeta potential is related to particle sizing, and smaller
particles will effect a larger surface area with a greater potential. This
is beneficial, as far as particles are concerned. However, no facts have
been documented concerning what these effects are. As far as anybody knows,
the silver particles may be converted to silver ions "at-site", and it is
the silver ions that are actually being effective, but the initial
particulate form which allowed biological delivery."

http://www.silverpuppy.com/links.html:
"Voltage limitation or control for a battery powered generator means NOTHING.

No battery will exceed its rated output voltage and a good battery will not drop in voltage within its max current output specifications. A battery, by it's design, is a constant voltage device. If it isn't, it's a lousy battery.

"Current limiting" and "current controlling" are similar but different things.

"Current limits" can be accomplished via a light bulb or other resistive element and does nothing more than cap the upper limits of current output if it shorts out so the generator won't catch fire. You can limit the max current and accomplish the same thing as current control....but it also upsets the voltage in order to accomplish the limit if that limit is as low as it needs to be. 20 to 40 millamps [the average used by most] is way too high to be a useful limit that has anything to do with the making of small particle colloidal silver of any real PPM.

"Current control" keeps the current at a set value after the current set point is reached no matter what. That set point can be mere microamps without upsetting initial voltage levels. It not only provides absolute short circuit protection but also very closely regulates the rate of ion production.

Current control works by lowering voltage as conductivity increases via a feedback circuit to keep current totally consant and unvarying. This voltage can be constantly monitored via a voltage comparator chip keying calibrations directly to conductivity like a meter.

Even if the electrodes are directly shorted out, a current controlled generator will not exceed that set current output and it cannot be harmed in any way.

..The trick is to properly hydrate the ionic silver so it will not form the larger yellow particles. Mechanical stirring allows for faster ion production rates over thermal stirring with pretty much the same results. [But it's not very hard to 'over stir' and make other strange things.] With a very efficient thermal updraft device, the stir effect is very close to the mechanical method without the moving parts subject to corrosion in that wet environment. The Silverpuppy heater puts that spot of heat where it does the most good and looks really cool too. In fact, with the nearly optical round shape of the beaker and the light emmiting from the bottom, it's like watching the process under an extremly powerful magnifying glass [or weak microscope].

I used to make a mechanical stir model with variable stir rate. It worked quite nicely, but it was very difficult to convey how to operate it at optimum and the motors tended to seize in that wet environment over time. I came to prefer 'no moving parts' and discontinued that model. [seen here as modified for iontophorisis]"

http://silverpuppy.com/page1b.html:
"Generators use 7" looped .9999 fine silver electrodes in a configuration that presents no edges to the water for excellent edge discharge characteristics and greater surface area. Surface area of a 6" x 12 gauge wire is exactly the same as one side of a 1/4 " flat ribbon of the same length. Total surface area for 6" submerged =1.5 sq " with no edges to erode prematurely

Wire is stronger, easier to handle.

1/4" x .13" flat silver is extremly flimsy, hard to keep flat and parallel, and almost all of the ion discharge is from the side facing the other electrode. Ion Discharge from 6 edges and 4 corners makes a flat electrode erode into a "V" shape. [OK, der er altså også bagdele ved de flade, store elektroder, som silvergen og biophysica bruger]"

http://www.silverpuppy.com/swap%20vs%20dc.html [om fordele og ulemper ved AC (polaritetsskift mellem elektroderne = "SWAP") og DC]

http://silverpuppy.com/rant.html
"Power Requirements...This "Generator" will work on anything over 9 volts and under 36 volts AC or DC. Polarity issues are resolved by the internal circuitry. A 12v , 24v solar cell array / battery charger /cell phone/ cordless drill/ video camera batteries/ up to 3 car batteries in series/ between 2 and 4 nine volt batteries plugged into each other...all will do. Only the process time will vary.

Stirrers require the appropriate input voltage for that particular stir system. The generators will 'work' without a stirrer."

http://www.silverpuppy.com/poweradapter.html:
"The power adapter allows you to plug in power from nearly any alternative source including the shown three 9v batteries [4 nine volt batteries work a bit better], 2 car or motorcycle batteries in series, solar cells and even your cordless drill battery. In fact, any source from 20 to 36 volts, AC or DC will do."

http://www.silverpuppy.com/PocketPup.html:
"It can also be used for experimental "Blood Electrification" and "Iontophorosis" ..check with your "group" for acceptable parameters and email for modifications if needed. odecoyote2@windstream.net"

http://silverpuppy.com/stirring.html:
"Thermal stir:
..Upside..no moving parts to ever break or wear out. [And it looks pretty glowing in your room]
Accidental upside: The CS almost completely stabilizes as it's being made. [Conductivity drop the day after is reduced by about 80%] [--> mere stabilt CS ved thermal stirring!!!]
More recently discovered nicety: Using that thermal chimney setup with a slow cycle low voltage AC generator [S.W.A.P.] reduces sparklies and suspended electrode crud chunks better than any other system tried. [Not quite eliminated, but dramatically reduced]

..Both systems work well and one hasn't superceded the other, but the magnetically coupled system will stir more water at the proper velocity and that velocity can be easily adjusted with spinner size.
Downside: It does have moving parts that could eventually wear out. [and it's more expensive]"

"A structured distiller water is one in which liquid crystal chains have formed.
You can induce some structure into your water by stirring it with a magnet for about 30 seconds, letting it stand for 6 minutes or more, then repeating the process. [det kan være en god idé at købe silverpuppy'en både med thermisk og magnetisk omrøring, da sidstnævnte også kan lave struktureret vand]"

["As regards the production capacity, I read the PPM was expected to be .23 ppm/oz*min (http://silverpuppy.com/rant.html). That would only yield one ounce of 23 ppm cs in almost two hours (=100 min). Should it read 2.3 ppm/oz*min? (producing about 14 oz of 20 ppm cs in 2 hours?)]

[OK, der står på næste sidste af silverpuppy.com/rant.html, at man kan regne med 8 oz på 45 min til 2 timer i DC mode - længere i AC mode - og senere, at plug n' play giver ca. 20 ppm (dvs. 8 oz af 20 ppm cs pr. 45 min-2 timer]

"> I have made cs for over 3 years now and this is the first time this
> has happened, recently I ordered the glass funnel to go with my
> silver puppy and have had many sucessful quarts made this way however
> last night I was tired and went to bed with the generator still going
> this a.m. I have lots and I mean large groups of gray gunk in the
> jar, have had small ones at times but never anything like this and
> for the first time last week I made a slightly yellow cs with
> different water, the puppy tested the water as good. What did I do
> wrong. Does the wires staying in the cs after the generator cut off
> cause the gunk?
> Thanks Dixie

I had the same thing happen with my Silver Puppy generator, Dixie. At
first it worked perfectly, but after some time if I didn't get the
electrodes out of the water immediately after the generator shut off,
they would collect a "grey beard" on them. Ken said that the current
doesn't completely shut off when the light on the top goes off, and that
I shouldn't let the electrodes remain in the solution once the cycle is
finished. After experimenting with several batches, I came up with a
protocol that works fairly well. When I make a pint of colloidal silver,
I do not use the auto shut off mode. I start the procedure with the
switch in the "continuous" position (away from the red dot), set a timer
for an hour, and then lift the elctrodes out of the water and wipe them
with a clean paper towel. I put them back in the water for another hour
and then flip the switch to the red dot to see if the light has gone off,
which would indicate that the cycle is complete. If it hasn't, I flip
the switch back, set the timer for another 15 minutes, then test it again
- and then for another 15 minutes if necessary. I remove the electrodes
immediately when the cycle is complete. This may seem like extra work,
but it gives a clear solution every time with no grey gunk on the
electrodes or particles in the solution.

Sheila"

http://silverpuppy.com/testimonials.html [Jason/silvermedicine.org til Ken/silverpuppy]:
"I still love your generators Ken, and I still recommend them. Trem, in fact, has been asking that I list his more affordable model on the silvermedicine.org product recommendation page. I won't do it. Not because it isn't a good generator, but because I like your design and "engineering" better. I'm glad to say, though, that I've "sold" a few SG-7's via website referrals. The five gallon generator is a real work horse; a great machine, especially for those who want to give away lots of silver to friends, family, and the needy.

..Hey Ken...got the new improved super Pup Sat. and have made several 8oz batches. Looks like the mag. stir is where it's at. Takes 1hr 20 mins for 8oz... old stir took 50 mins. I like the lack of motor noise best.... so far it has kept on going around.. this is good. I'd say you have a winner if it proves longevity. Thanks for the quick turn around. now send rain... please and thank you. [So far, only replaced 2 in as many years K]"

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/4COLLOIDALSILVER/message/1311:
"mine does this too jen, I was told it was ok... and mine is a pretty light yellow/amber when it's all done and sat for awhile and all those sediments go to the bottom of the gallon jug... hope this helps but most posts on here about cs always help...
 
hugs, mary in mn
 
In a message dated 11/29/2008 8:01:11 P.M. Central Standard Time, jenq@... writes:

    I tried to search the archives first but didn't find what I needed.
    First, I have a Silver gen generator. There is pretty much always a
    sediment in my cs that falls off the rods when I pull the top off after
    brewing. Do you think I need to buy a distiller so that my water is
    more pure? Also.... the rods require wiping after each batch and
    sometimes during....is this normal? Sometimes the CS turns yellow and
    one person reported that theirs turned gray.... Can anyone offer any
    advice. What does the yellow mean, the gray?? Also what the heck is
    the sediment? Something in the distilled water?

    Thanks in advance!

    JenQ
    Strafford, NH"

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/4COLLOIDALSILVER/message/1312:
"I have an SG6 and it mostly makes crystal clear CS.
 
If the CS turns yellow, it is not as good and indicates the presence of impurities.  The yellow is, I believe, due to clumping together of the silver particles.  Most people say you can still drink it, but I do not.
 
Yes, there is usually a silvery white or gray sediment floating on the top when a batch is finished, and sometimes it sinks to the bottom of the jar.  I understand that this is common with direct current generators. I scoop off the floaters with a spoon and if they sank to the bottom, I decant the batch into another jar, leaving the sediment behind.

I also have a silver puppy that alternates the current, and in this mode there is seldom any sediment, but it takes twice as long to generate.  Not sure why that is so, but it shuts off automatically when it should, so I use it that way most of the time.  I have not had a single yellow batch from the silver puppy."

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/4COLLOIDALSILVER/message/1315 [Ken/Silverpuppy]:
"However, H2O2 added to EIS that isn't yellow, too soon, oxidizes ions into
another form of silver oxide that doesn't react to H2O2 and releases
microscopic bubbles to make a cloudy murky looking emulsion."

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/4COLLOIDALSILVER/message/892:
"My Silver Puppy (not the newer model) sometimes makes yellowish cs, using exactly the same distilled water, even from the same bottle.  Haven't figured that out yet.  The glass I make it in is washed now and then (as it gets slightly darker or yellow), but it's well-rinsed with very hot water and then cs.  ?
 
francie
 
From: vwolf21@...
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 4:51 PM

Based only on my own experience..my last machine (silver puppy) sometimes made yellow water...and the new one never has...both products did the job...altho I think I asked about the yellow color and was told to check my distilled water...making sure it was spring distilled and the bottles I was making the silver into were clean..did I get that right? V."

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/4COLLOIDALSILVER/message/541 [silverpuppy]:
"Using DC position, [one way current] it makes CS faster, but leave
residues on the electrodes..the LED will always be green while it's running
[may shift briefly to red when you unplug it]
Using the SWAP position [two way current] on that switch makes the
electrodes electronically change positions back and forth and the change is
displayed by the LED going from green to red and back [like pulling them
out by hand and switching them from one socket to the other every minute or
so], preventing crud build up...but it's slower."

"http://silverpuppy.com/ppm.html:
"The answer is that you cannot use electrical conductivity to determine silver concentration. The relationship between ionic silver content and electrical conductivity is tenuous and highly unreliable. Anyone attempting to get reliable data from conductivity is just fooling themselves. This may be OK for a hobbyist but a commercial producer cannot rely on this measurement.

..It's pretty clear that using a meter is a hit or miss technique and every generator setup is going to give different results when trying to equate conductivity to PPM.
I wish it were otherwise, but it just ain't. [det er vist et argument for at undlade at købe et pwt meter! - eller købe et billigt]"

"Re: [4COLLOIDALSILVER] Testing CS

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/4COLLOIDALSILVER/message/540:
A meter works, but no meter actually detects "silver" or measures PPM.
They all measure the ability of water to conduct electricity.
A Conductivity or EC meter does so directly and the number displayed in
microsiemens [uS] corresponds at "around" 1 uS to 1 PPM as shown with
spectrophotometer testing of silver water and a numbers comparison.
A TDS' "PPM" meter works the same way but runs the number though a
calculation for "salt water" and silver water ain't salt water, so doubling
that reading gets pretty close in PPM "silver water".

There are a few nuances to make it a closer correspondence using two
different meanings for the same number...like wait a day or so till the
conductivity stops dropping after making the CS.
And over around 30 uS/PPM....well, forget it...it's all guess work from
there.

TDS/PPM meters have a much larger possible range read error than an EC
[electrical conductivity] meter and only show whole numbers.

Two good EC meters are the Hanna Instruments PWT [around $57 plus shipping
] and the HM Digital COM-100 [which I sell at a discount off the $77 retail
for $55 and free shipping ]
Both read in uS to the tenth of a digit.
I have 2 Hannas and a BUNCH of COM-100 [of course] Both are good, but I
prefer the COM-100 and one has worked well for several years.

The HM Digital TDS meters seem to be better than the Hanna TDS meters [I
tossed my Hanna Dist 1 into the trash..it sucked. ]

Checking ebay can find some good deals on off brand EC meters and they seem
to be OK.
ebay search string "ec meter"

I bought one of these and like it all right.
http://cgi.ebay.com/EC-Conductivity-Pen-Meter-Hydrophonic-Hydrophonics-NEW_W0QQi
temZ150229987426QQihZ005QQcategoryZ4678QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Ode"

http://silverpuppy.com/com100%20meter.html:
"COM-100: EC / TDS / TEMP COMBO METER
FEATURES
[More features than the Hanna PWT at a much lower price.]
* Measures electrical conductivity (EC), total dissolved solids (TDS) and temperature. [den måler altså også TDS - måske er den mulighed interessant at få med også (i fbm. generel måling af vandkvalitet]"

"plastic is a better stirrer because it is not porous. you simply hook up the multimeter in line with your circuit so you can measure amperage. your water in glass and only silver in contact with the water. the initial reading on the meter should be about half a milliamp with the elctrodes two inches apart. i have gotten as much as 1.5 and still proceded to make good silver. the meter will go up as the concentration of silver builds up between your silver electrodes in the water. once it reaches and aditional 2ma to your original reading(say 1.5 + 2 = 3.5ma), stir the water and the amperage will drop. build up, stir, drop, build up, stir, drop. each time it drops it will end up a little higher than before. each time it takes less and less time to build up to 3.5. never let it go much above your set limit. once you can not stir it down below your limit, you have achieved about 10-20ppm. the higher you let the amperage get in those cycles, the larger the particles you are making at that specific time. this process takes hours and it soon becomes clear why automated elctronics is better.
.. the testers everyone talks about are simple ampmeters that are self powered."

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/silverdatawebsite/message/3081:
"Hi Marion:

The Silverpuppy machine has an auto-shut off feature.

The Hanna PWT meter is superior to the TDS meter.

You don't NEED a PWT meter, but it is a very handy device... Especially
to test the water purity of the distilled water you will be using; then
to test the water once it is placed in the container you will use to
create your CS; then to test the conductivity of the CS after brewing,
to get a guestimate of the PPM of your end product.

Avoid most of the "clear plastics"; especially the shiny clear plastics.
To be safe, you can always use the container that your distilled
water comes in.

Storing CS in amber or cobalt glass bottles is fine; even clear glass
containers. One may get some plating, but this is due to slow
evaporation, and will happen with plastic as well.

Hope this helps!

Kind Regards,

Jason"

http://silverpuppy.com/faq.html:
"Should I purchase a meter to test the colloidal silver?

Well, you can...but you don't need to. The generators "Auto Off' works just like a meter. It shuts things down at a very exact point. After that point [with the series 2 generators only] you can bypass the off and continue on in an accurate fashion by timing the batch. The 'auto off' gives you an accurate start point for timing.

..Q: How long do the electrodes last?
A: The set of electrodes that comes with the kit should last for a long long time. For personal use, I wouldn't be surprised if they lasted five years or more. They're are beefy.

..Filtering removes it pretty well. Or, let it settle and 'decant', leaving the stuff in the bottom. [That's what works the best]

It's harmless anyhow. A coffee filter is sufficient. Rinse it with distilled water before using in order to remove any chemicals that might be in it."

http://www.colloidalsilver.com.au/SW-features.html [associates of silverpuppy]:
"Making high quality, high ppm, clear colloidal silver takes hours not minutes. (The Silver Well takes about 4 to 6 hours to make 500 mls depending on water quality and temperature). Most other generator manufacturers make completely unsubstantiated claims about the speed, strength, or particle size of the CS they make. For example, any claim that a low voltage generator can make 1 ppm per minute of good quality CS from a 'standing start' is nonsense. Pure distilled or demineralised water, WHICH YOU MUST USE, is almost non-conductive so it takes quite a while just to get a reasonable current flowing between the electrodes. And then, as current flow increases, it must be controlled to ensure the slow release of ions and small particles."

http://www.silverpuppy.com/drclarknews.html [by Christine Doyle]:
"When current is applied to silver in solution the particles that break off will always be the same size: 1.26 angstroms (.000126 microns). This is so small that its nearest rival is an atom. Very simple, inexpensive, easily used and maintainable equipment is now available by several manufacturers to make your own Colloidal Silver of the finest quality, absolutely fresh."

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=85180#i:
"Well made 10-20ppm is great and will have the smallest particles and most bioavailable CS. Steve"

http://testimonials.silvermedicine.org/content/testimonials.html

http://www.silvermedicine.org/bob-berger-silver.html:
"Contrary to popular opinion I have found no evidence to support the theory that a constant voltage system for making colloidal silver will exhibit what has been termed "run-away" of cell current."

http://www.silvermedicine.org/american-biotech-asap.html:
"Sometimes, colloidal silver is not enough. In our research, we successfully addressed every lung infection we came across by using quality colloidal silver with a nebulizer ( or oxygen nebulizer ). Provided that the individual experimenting was able to follow instructions, nebulizing silver proved to be an amazingly effective protocol.

Then one auspicious day, we came across a case of chronic bronchitis that failed to completely respond to silver. To rise to the challenge, we went on a search for the perfect complimentary therapy. We thus ended up developing the cayenne pepper and colloidal silver nebulizing protocol ( the cayenne is NOT nebulized ).

Read our research page on cayenne pepper and colloidal silver."

http://www.silvermedicine.org/nebulizers.html:
"Ultrasonic Humidifiers & Nebulizers
An oxygen nebulizer on the whole has proven to be more effective than a regular nebulizer or humidifier. Whether this is due to the pure oxygen used, the density of the mist, or the pressure by which the colloidal silver is delivered is unknown. An ultrasonic nebulizer is the preferred alternate choice (Omron makes an excellent model).

This by no means is meant to imply that a humidifier is NOT effective. The greatest consideration in using a humidifier as opposed to an oxygen nebulizer is the cost of the unit and the cost of using the unit. With a humidifier, one does not need to purchase oxygen, and the cost of a good ultrasonic humidifier is under thirty dollars.

Some people believe, however, that because the mist from a humidifier is so thick, it is better than a nebulizer. However, the exact opposite is true. Humidifiers do a very poor job of atomizing the CS. The best nebulizers create a "mist" that is barely visible, which means that the 'medication' is being completely atomized."

http://www.silvermedicine.org/silver-lung-study.html:
"A medical quality oxygen nebulizer, such as the Brooks-Bradley Oxygen Nebulizer, is the most ideal method of delivering the finest particles into the lungs.

A high quality ultrasonic nebulizer would be the second choice, such as an Omron ultrasonic nebulizer. For $100-200 less, a compressor type nebulizer may be purchased, although these units are not as good as the ultrasonic variety. A compressor type nebulizer produces larger "atomized" particles and directly effects the particle dispersion of the colloidal silver.

..Many people experiment with home-brewed colloidal silver as well, and have reported excellent results with lung conditions. Concerning home-brewed silver, we suggest:

1. For low current, current-limited DC colloidal silver generators, it may be wise to produce LOWER PPM batches to try to ensure the highest quality product ( 5-7 PPM )"

http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1516:
"Omron make brilliant Nebulisers which are used for entering the airways and respitory system. Its best if you have some warm water Cayenne pepper 10 minutes before which allows for the Colloidal Silver to enter deeper into the Lungs. The Cayenne helps remove mucus from the lungs. My Omron model is a Comp Pro NE-C18/EN I've sent a link below for you to buy this one if you like and can. Don't forget the U.S has made it hard for anyone to buy a nebuliser without prescription. See how devious they are? You may have to import from Europe!"

http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=82349#i:
"---- Why Nebulise ----
Three years ago, Dr. Marx poineered the use of the nebulizer with colloidal silver. Since then this procedure has become widely accepted for use with virtually every respiratory problem. After nearly three years of clinical applications on a multitude of patients, from the very young to the very elderly, and feedback from customers who have purchased their own nebulizers for personal use, results have ranged from excellent to 'near miraculous'!
Since the lungs have about 750 square feet of surface area, finely interlaced with pulmonary capilaries circulating blood at about 9 liters per minute, and less than 1 micron of tissue barrier, nebulizing is the fastest and most effective method of getting CS into the system.
NOTE: When nebulizing CS, the 'bio-availability' (BA) of the product used is very important. The higher the BA of the CS the better, as a low BA will not be able to penetrate to the blood and will remain in the lungs. Nebulizing CS should not be overdone; a short period of 2-3 times per day for a respiratory problem and a single session bi-weekly to monthly for periodic respiratory maintenance."

http://www.silvermedicine.org/colloidal-gold.html [hmm, de anbefaler OVO colloidal gold generatoren i modsætning til nedenstående]

http://www.colloidalgold.info/:
"BUYER BEWARE

I've decided to create this web site to warn others, about a man calling himself Karl Reinhart, who sells colloidal gold and a machine called the OVO.

 Here are his web sites:

http://Metosphericplasmaproducts.com
http://colloidalgoldmachines-central.com
http://Research.colloidalgoldmachines-central.com"

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=3879823462993133294 [Bob Beck]
http://www.bobbeck.com/
http://www.sharinghealth.com/productsrec/bioelectric.html

http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=p3907.m38.l1313&_nkw=colloidal+silver&_sacat=See-All-Categories
http://shop.ebay.de/?_from=R40&_trksid=p3907.m38.l1311&_nkw=Kolloidales+Silber&_sacat=See-All-Categories
https://shop.silverpulser.de/?gclid=COrf6_njrZwCFUF_3godjT3BjA

http://www.omegaversand.de/?gclid=CKHcrKPxrZwCFUqK3godggQBjg:
"BECKgeneration BlueStar2 Universal-Silberpulser Das Silber-Profigerät mit internem Timer incl. Silberstäbe 99,99% 184,00 EUR"

http://www.physiotron.com/index.php?id=296 [apparat til fremstilling af kolloidt sølv]:
"Silberplus - zur Herstellung kolloidaler Silberlösung"

http://www.kolloidalessilber.net/herstellung.html:
"Herstellung von Silber-Kolloid
Füllen Sie ca. 240 ccm Wasser in ein Glas (kein Metallgefäß benutzen!).  Hängen Sie nun die Silberelektroden so ins Glas, dass sie fast ganz eintauchen. (Warnung! Benutzen Sie nur Feinsilberelektroden = 999).
Die Silberstäbe dürfen sich nicht berühren, sonst hört der Vorgang der Kolloiderzeugung auf. Einen elektrischen Schlag können Sie übrigens bei der verwendeten Spannung keinesfalls bekommen. Stecken Sie nun die Silberstäbe in die Halterungen und Sie werden sehen, wie sich am negativen Poldraht Wasserstoffbläschen bilden. Nach längerer Betriebsdauer steigt vom positiven Poldraht weißer Nebel auf. Labortests zeigen, dass nach dieser Methode ein Silberkolloid von ca. 1 ppm pro Minute Wirkungszeit entsteht. Da sich nur mikroskopisch kleine Teilchen von dem Silberdraht lösen, kann dieser sehr lange halten.
Wenn Sie fertig sind, nehmen Sie die Silberstäbe heraus, bzw. reinigen Sie sie jedes Mal, um die dunkle Schicht an der Anode zu entfernen. Mit einem Nylonküchenputztuch können Sie das trockene Silber polieren. Abwischen mit einem Papiertuch und fertig sind sie fürs nächste Mal. Wenn die Batterien verbraucht sind, wird das Licht immer schwächer. Legen Sie neue Batterien ein."

http://www.kolloidalessilber.net/aufbewahrung.html:
"Aufbewahrung des Silberkolloids

in undurchsichtigen oder dunkelfarbigen (am besten dunkelvioletten) Glasbehältern. Benutzen Sie keine Plastikgefäße, da sich diese leicht aufladen und auch Chemikalien an die Lösung abgeben können. Aufbewahrung im Dunkeln ist notwendig, weil sogar das Licht im Zimmer das Kolloid mit der Zeit entwertet. (Die Lösung „fällt aus“.) Vor Gebrauch immer gründlich umrühren oder schütteln."

http://www.elektrolyser.com/silber.html:
"Informationen zu kolloidalem Silber

    * www.kolloidalessilber.net
    * www.selbst-heilung.info
    * www.beckprotokoll.de
    * www.colloidal.de"

http://www.beckprotokoll.de/interview_beck_1.html [div.]

http://www.beckpulser.eu/products/Zapper-Zubehoer/weitere-Geraete/Dampfdestiller-4-Liter-fuer-destilliertes-Wasser.html:
"Dampfdestiller 4 Liter - für destilliertes Wasser       199.00 EUR"

http://mail.google.com/mail/?hl=da&tab=wm#inbox/122eabab2434b580 [www.rom-elektronik.com / Sikolyser]:
"Bestell-Nr. 5890 Silberkolloidalgerät im Koffer (Basisgerät) EUR 125,-- (zzgl. 19 % MWST)
Bestell-Nr. 5891 Silberkolloidalgerät im Koffer (mit Zeitschaltuhr) EUR 155,-- (zzgl. 19 % MWST)
Bestell-Nr. 5897 Ersatzelektroden für Sikolyser (999,99er Silber) EUR 49,--
(zzgl. 19 % MWST)
Bestell-Nr.5892 Netzgerät für Sikolyser EUR 12,80 (zzgl. 19 % MWST)

http://www.well-power.de/oxid.php/cl/alist/cnid/ea3416fabaf400f49.00547274?adword=googleaw/Kolloidalessilber/ga/Kolloidales_Silber [flere sølvgeneratorer til fremstilling af kolloidt sølv]

http://www.blaubeerwald.de/produkte/dr-beck-blutzapper.html:
"DR. BECK BLUTZAPPER
Inkl. Herstellung von kolloidalem Silber & Gold
Blutzapper Kombi inkl. Silberstäbe zur Herstellung von Kolloidalem Silber € 255,-
MiniZAP mit Mikroprozessorsteuerung € 299,-
Goldstäbe zur Herstellung von Kolloidalem Gold € 299,-"

http://www.asklepios-versand.de/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/101/products_id/2493:
"Silvermaster, Silberkolloiden selber herstellen 199.00EUR
Mit dem Silvermaster stellen Sie einfach und kostengünstig hochwertige, zu 99,99% reine Silberkolloide (ca. 30 ppm) selbst her."

http://www.kolloidalessilber.net/index.html:
"Die wichtigsten Körperflüssigkeiten (Blut, Lymphflüssigkeit) sind Kolloide. Diese Erkenntnis eröffnete unbegrenzte Möglichkeiten und führte zu raschen Fortschritten bei medizinischen Behandlungen."

http://www.kolloidalessilber.net/silber.html:
"Wenn ein Mensch krank ist, ist seine Energie blockiert. Werden diese Blockaden aufgelöst, die Energien ausgerichtet und ins Gleichgewicht gebracht, kann der Heilungsprozess einsetzen. Silber kann die elektrischen und magnetischen Eigenschaften des Körpers beeinflussen (Verbesserung des PcE-Trainings). Es kann ein gestörtes elektrisches Potential wieder normalisieren. Das Edelmetall Silber ist der beste, natürliche Stromleiter."

http://gesundohnepillen.de/silber.htm = http://www.mweisser.50g.com/silber.htm:
"Silbertechnik in 3 Phasen
+ 20-30min: chem. Kombination der hochaktiven freien Silberionen mit Bakterien/Pilzen deaktiviert
+ paar Tage: narbenbildende Fibroblastzellen werden zu Stammzellen -> ermöglichen Regeneration
+ Silberionen bilden Komplex mit lebenden Zellen im Verletzungsbereich -> produzieren Stammzellen, die rasch in neue spezialisierte Zellen umgewandelt werden -> Regeneration der Originalstruktur statt Narbe
..positive Ladung geht mit der Zeit - vor allem durch Lichteinfluß - verloren..
immer lichtgeschützt aufbewahren.. am wirkungsvollsten bis 3 Monate nach Produktion
..positive Ladung auf Silberelektrode stoppt Zellteilung von Krebszellen..Effekt der Silberionen..anderes Elektrodenmaterial verstärkt Wachstum" Robert O. Becker, Haley: 'Politics in Healing' Kap.9
..Hunza-Wasser.. hohe Konzentration von Silber.. submikroskopische Kolloidalform..
68dyn/cm -> nasser, leichter aufzunehmen.. Hunza vital mit 100 Flanagan
..hier die interessanten Bücher, Veröffentlichungen, Patente
 . . .     Pies: "Immun mit kolloidalem Silber."..."

http://www.mweisser.50g.com/beck.htm:
"Geräte der Fa. Sota: solide Geräte.. Fa. in Kanada.. Auszug hier
* Colloidal Silver, Silver Pulser
* Magnetic Pulser
* Bio-Tuner
* Water Ozonator
* Zapper"

http://web.archive.org/web/20041206084414/http://www.in-for-mationen.de/InfoTexte/kolloidales+silber.htm

http://www.angewandte-elektromedizin.de/ [fremragende (kolloid) sølv oversigt]:
"Die elektrophoretische Eigenherstellung von kolloidalem Silber ist kinderleicht und sicher."

www.stop-smog.de/Elektrosmog001.pdf:
"Silber entspannt die Muskulatur. Vom Hals bis zum Ende des Brustbeins bildet diese Kette ein umgekehrtes y. Das y hat laut Erich Körbler eine Yang-Funktion. Silber ist Yin-unterstützend. Der Ketten-verlauf wiederum verbindet die Bipolarität des Körpers."


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http://www.blaubeerwald.de/produkte/dr-beck-blutzapper/dr-beck-ozongenerator.html:
"Ozon-Generator € 199,-"
http://www.blaubeerwald.de/produkte/dr-beck-blutzapper/infos-ueber-beck-produkte.html

http://www.silvermedicine.org/ozone-story-treatments.html

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