Romford VTS

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Dtuch Trip

Report on Dutch Visit

I would like to start by expressing my thanks to all our Dutch colleagues who made us so welcome.

We arrived early on Wednesday morning - having reached Stansted by 5 am.    The loss of the hour meant that we arrived in Schippol for 9.10.  With only a minor blip -  one of the programme directors and a registrar  went missing -  we were finally ready to be whisked off to the  University of Amsterdam at about 9.45am

On arrival we were greeted by one of the course organisers  Jacqueline Bloemen who made us feel instantly at home

The morning consisted of an overview of Dutch General Practice - by  Prof. Dr. Margreet Wieringa - outlining  the main structure of practice and training.
This was followed by presentations of audits from the registrars in practice focussing on areas within the practice which could be improved.  Examples of this included  inhaled corticosteroid prescribing in asthma, routine gp visiting for patients in hospital and post hospital , stop smoking protocols and dementia care

Obervations on GP training

  • 3 years - First and last spent in primary care
  • 17 nights per year
  • 2 exams per year but only have to pass one
  • Whole day release course
  • High level of satisfaction
  • No gate in.  No gate out.  Annual end of year assessments
  • Matching with trainers like our VTS with the right of a single veto for the registrar
  • There are 70 registrars in the scheme which covers half of Amsterdam

Observations on Dutch General Practice

  • Average list size 3000
  • Consultation rate 2.8
  • Less target and protocol driven than UK
  • More visits than UK - about 12 per week for 3000 patients
  • Less staff - in the practice observed only 3 employed staff and usually only one present at a time
  • A nurse would work in reception and also as the practice manager
  • Childhood immunizations are done elsewhere
  • Yellow fever and other vaccinations are done elsewhere
  • Sickness certificates are not issued by GP's
  • Antenatal care done at a special centre
  • Much smaller waiting areas suggest less pressure on space than in the UK
  • Incomes are lower but quality of life seems higher
  • Many UK registrars observed how ' nice ' the Dutch patients were reflecting the excellent rapport with their doctors
  • Approaching 70 percent female GP's  in training now
We then moved for the afternoon to some formal lectures from Dr. B. Wanrooij a gp expert in palliative care looking at end of life sedation,  which was followed by a presentation from one of our registrars Zulfi Thebo on the UK situation.  Zulfi has recently completed a hospice post in his rotation and was well qualified to review the current state in Britain.
We then had an insight on the practice and rules regarding euthansia by Prof. dr. D. Willems.

Armed with this new knowledge we broke into small groups to discuss various cases and focus on the ethical aspects.

In the evening we were treated to a wonderful meal in a waterside venue by our Dutch hosts and had the opportunity to meet with Dr Kees van der Post who had organised our visit so expertly.

The next day we visited practices on an individual basis and had the priviledge of sitting in on 2 surgeries and going on visits.   During this I experienced first hand a patient with terminal COPD being counselled about euthanasia by his doctor.  

Following these visits we met as a group to reflect on our experiences

Observations on euthanasia

  • About 1/1000 per year in practice observed
  • Criteria - persistent request, unbearable suffering
  • Process
    • Councelling
    • Formal application by patient with form filling
    • 2nd doctor - independant ී; scan doctorී; reviews
    • If all in agreement procede - sedation and curare
  • Can be done for any condition not just malignancy - eg end stage COPD.
  • Most Dutch people I talked to [ 7 non medical ] all felt that it was a good idea and were shocked that nothing similar was done in UK
  • Not all of the doctors were comfortable with performing euthanasia
  • There is some variance amongst practitioners on which cases are acceptable