<Usman>We have now come to the stage we can build pretty much everything we can imagine. Technologically it might take a lot of money or it might take some time, but we can think of how to get to the point of building what we imagine. I think Anthony Dunne really consider the aesthetics and the metaphysical implications of these things.</Usman>
<Cesar>Before it is too late and we are completely efficient?</Cesar>
<Usman>Once you can build pretty much everything, than you have to start deciding why do I choose not to build, or what do I choose to built, or how do we provoke ourselves in expanding the imagination so we enter a completely new  territory. That probably connects with the conversation about the post-optimal object. The idea that it is kind of crucial at this stage to start thinking about these kind of poetic and lyrical aspects of the things that we design.</Usman>