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Rake Blackguard ([info]rake_blackguard) wrote in [info]fibromyalgia,
@ 2008-06-16 11:37:00
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So what does it say that a medication effective for the treatment of Fibromyalgia is an antidepressant?

Could it possibly be that Fibromyalgia is an ultimately psychosomatic disorder?

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[info]ladyofthenut
2008-06-16 06:45 pm UTC (link) Track This
i think it says more about depression than it does fibro. cymbalta also treats diabetic neuropathy which most certainly isn't psychosomatic or a mental illness. an ssri being able to treat depression and fibro says that they both are real and have physical components.

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[info]imaginarycircus
2008-06-16 06:46 pm UTC (link) DeleteTrack This
Yeah I agree. I think a drug that changes your brain chemistry is going to also affect your nervous system, i.e. pain.

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[info]rake_blackguard
2008-06-16 06:52 pm UTC (link) Track This
What journals have you been published in, doctor?

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[info]ladyofthenut
2008-06-16 07:14 pm UTC (link) Track This
so what psychiatric journals have you been published in, doctor, to be able to diagnose us all with munchausen? this is unprofessional behavior in that case!

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[info]rake_blackguard
2008-06-16 07:17 pm UTC (link) Track This
"so what psychiatric journals have you been published in, doctor, to be able to diagnose us all with munchausen?"

I don't need to be published, so to speak, because I'm not making unverified claims about the psychopharmaceutical efficacy of SSRIs and SNRIs.

But, well, you all fit the DSM-IV criteria. Fake disease, attention-seeking behavior, etc.

You people might as well be whining about your Morgellon's or nearby cellular towers.

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[info]imaginarycircus
2008-06-16 07:15 pm UTC (link) DeleteTrack This
Wow, you're a special snowflake.

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[info]imaginarycircus
2008-06-16 06:45 pm UTC (link) DeleteTrack This
It could mean a lot of things. It could mean that is a nervous system disorder and antidepressants affect your brain chemisty which affects your nervous system too. This seems to be the direction researches and doctors are going that I have seen and read about. It is also the way my doctor explained it to me.

I have psychosomatic problems too and have always had them. The fibro is different and I still get psychosomatic related illness too. I would think that something like IBS might be more clearly psychosomatic in some people. I certainly think mine might be.

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[info]rake_blackguard
2008-06-16 06:53 pm UTC (link) Track This
And you'd rather believe in "Fibromyalgia" than your phantom pain being psychosomatic response to depression?

Tell me, which makes fewer assumptions?

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[info]smileygem
2008-06-16 06:55 pm UTC (link) Track This
Do you have fibro? Im interested to know what you think? Do you have an opinion or are you just here to cause trouble?

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[info]rake_blackguard
2008-06-16 07:02 pm UTC (link) Track This
Oh, I've got tons of Fibromyalgias. More than you, probably.

I also come from a long and proud line of sufferers of this fake disease.

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[info]smileygem
2008-06-16 07:06 pm UTC (link) Track This
I think that you are judging us without knowing our individual circumstances, and that you are looking for trouble and/ or fun by laughing at and belittling others. IF you want to have a serious conversation about psychosomatic possibilities of fibro then I am happy to do that. Otherwise it would be appreciated if you would take your comments elsewhere

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[info]rake_blackguard
2008-06-16 07:14 pm UTC (link) Track This
"I think that you are judging us without knowing our individual circumstances"

Dear god, child, why would a person need to?

"IF you want to have a serious conversation about psychosomatic possibilities of fibro then I am happy to do that."

Hah, no-one is, as it rightly delegitimizes their fake "disorder."

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[info]smileygem
2008-06-16 07:16 pm UTC (link) Track This
I said I would have a serious conversation if you wished and I mean that - please dont assume I dont mean what I say

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[info]imaginarycircus
2008-06-16 07:15 pm UTC (link) DeleteTrack This
OK!

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[info]jemgirl81
2008-06-16 06:47 pm UTC (link) Track This
That's one theory. Counceling is also an effective treatment for firbro....or so they say. I never found it to be useful for my pain. But that's just me. Yeah, I've tried to just 'will myself better' and never had any luck. I wish it were that easy, especially on days like this.... Ugh! Do anti depressants work for you?

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[info]rake_blackguard
2008-06-16 06:51 pm UTC (link) Track This
"Yeah, I've tried to just 'will myself better' and never had any luck."

People can't "will themselves sane," either.

"Do anti depressants work for you?"

No, I'm not a hypochondriac nor do I have Munchausen's Syndrome, and hence I don't need to pretend to have a chronic pain disorder so I can feast on the sympathy of the uninformed.

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[info]chemoelectric
2008-06-16 06:53 pm UTC (link) Track This
Lots of so-called ‘antidepressants’ are. Unfortunately they are named for their most common use, but they have many uses, the treatment of chronic pain (not just fibro) being among the more notable.

This doesn’t say anything about fibromyalgia that wouldn’t require a detailed knowledge of molecular biology. It definitely does not mean that fibromyalgia is a psychosomatic disorder, which it is not.

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[info]rake_blackguard
2008-06-16 06:54 pm UTC (link) Track This
"It definitely does not mean that fibromyalgia is a psychosomatic disorder, which it is not."

Except that the jury's still out in the medical community as to whether or not it even exists, crazypants.

Of course the pharmaceutical companies want you to believe it's real so you can buy their drugs. That's why in a commerical for Lyrica (I think it was) they actually go out of their way to insist that Fibromyalgia "is a real disease."

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[info]chemoelectric
2008-06-16 06:59 pm UTC (link) Track This
Both paranoia and trolling are between a person and his or her psychiatrist, and are not within the domain of this community.

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[info]rake_blackguard
2008-06-16 07:01 pm UTC (link) Track This
Commercials for other medications don't feel the need to include "yes, your disease is real" in them.

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[info]oceanschild
2008-06-16 07:02 pm UTC (link) Track This
I'm a little curious about your motives in asking. Your question comes across as genuine curiosity, but your responses to those who have tried to answer your question in one way or another all seem fairly hostile, sarcastic, and ultimately unrelated to the points being made. Is there anything here you're interested in actually hearing, or are you just looking for a fight? Information, theories, and questions are all welcome here, but name-calling is certainly not. If you're looking to troll, troll elsewhere.

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[info]annaham
2008-06-16 07:04 pm UTC (link) Track This
Your response is made of win.

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[info]rake_blackguard
2008-06-16 07:04 pm UTC (link) Track This
I am SHOCKED that you would make such an accusation!

I, too, suffer from Munchausen's Syndrome. I mean Fibromyalgia. One of those.

What's the difference again?

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[info]joeybug
2008-06-16 07:04 pm UTC (link) Track This
Since you're just here to cause trouble, I'll voice my own opinon about this post.

I don't "imagine" my pain, nor do I "imagine" the need to use narcotics to dull that pain. I have had a REAL disease for over seven years (been seven since I was diagnosied, had it longer than that but I can't remember a time when it didn't hurt)

FMS is real...you may not believe it is, but what journals have YOU been published in that gives proof to your claims?

I managed to convince a life long believer that ME and FMS weren't real that it was just by seeing the change in me since I was struck down with them both...

Go back to your hole, troll

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[info]rake_blackguard
2008-06-16 07:11 pm UTC (link) Track This
"I don't "imagine" my pain, nor do I "imagine" the need to use narcotics to dull that pain."

Narcotic painkillers make imaginary pain go away? WOW!

"FMS is real...you may not believe it is, but what journals have YOU been published in that gives proof to your claims?"

The burden of proof lies with the fake disease sufferers, sorry.

"I managed to convince a life long believer that ME and FMS weren't real that it was just by seeing the change in me since I was struck down with them both..."

Yeah, mental illness can do that.

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[info]joeybug
2008-06-16 07:16 pm UTC (link) Track This
TROLLLLLLLL

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[info]allthecolors
2008-06-16 07:05 pm UTC (link) Track This
no antidepressant has ever worked for me with fibromyalgia. And before I was diagnosed it was pretty much believed that Fibro could be a psychosomatic disorder, so they always required you to see a therapist. My therapist told them "he's not depressed, there is something physically wrong with him, figure it out." Then they finally diagnosed me with fibro and tried everything they could think of to treat the symptoms. Thankfully knowledge about Fibro has improved greatly since even tho it's still next to nothing as far as a cure, at least they know more about it. So seeing this post on a fibro group surprised me. I thought this was "so last year" and to be a little less sarcastic, I actually thought this train of thought went out the door 10 years ago

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[info]rake_blackguard
2008-06-16 07:12 pm UTC (link) Track This
" tho it's still next to nothing as far as a cure"

It does make a person wonder, though, that antidepressants and counseling can help a supposedly biological disease.

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[info]rake_blackguard
2008-06-16 07:15 pm UTC (link) Track This
You don't have a penis, do you?

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it's time for macros.
[info]annaham
2008-06-16 07:09 pm UTC (link) Track This
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[info]rake_blackguard
2008-06-16 07:14 pm UTC (link) Track This
You sure told me

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Re: it's time for macros.
(Anonymous)
2008-06-16 07:16 pm UTC (link) Track This
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