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The sun's path ( not the sun ), fixed within the rotating firmament, spiral-orbits the Earth north-south and clockwise from the Tropic of Cancer to the Tropic of Capricorn in six months and then alters course laterally to spiral-orbit south-north and clockwise for the next six months. Seasons result from the yearly helical oscillation of the sun's path around the untilted stationary Earth.

 

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                                                     Sun's Path Diagram one - Created by Allen Daves:
 

 

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                                             Sun's Path Diagram two - Created by Allen Daves: 

 

 

 

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                                                                                  Analemma:
 

 

 

Explanation: If you took a picture of the Sun at the same time each day, would it remain in the same position? The answer is no, and the shape traced out by theSun over the course of a year is called an analemma. The Sun will appear at its highest point of the analemma during summer and at its lowest during winter. Analemmas created from different Earth latitudes would appear at least slightly different, as well as analemmas created at a different time each day. The analemma pictured above was built up by Sun photographs taken from 1998 August through 1999 August from Ukraine. The foreground picture from the same location was taken during the early evening in 1999 July.

 

 

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Ten:

 

Do you mean the path is fixed like a gutter channel at a bowling alley?

 

"Yes, or like a river channel in the ocean. The Sun can ( and probably does ) move in the channel, or groove, taking one year to get all the way around the path. Since the path is fixed in the firmament, it goes around the World with the firmament ( taking one sidereal day to do so ). Hence the Sun's daily rotation time about the World is slightly longer than the firmament time ( we know this because of the stars ), since the Sun is travelling around its path in the opposite sense than the path ( = firmament ) is going around. This also accounts for the perceived helical motion."

Neville Jones 

 

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Nine:

 

It is important to note and understand that ( the way I would describe it ) this motion is limited to the sun itself, where the Modified Tyconic Model folk have the whole universe orbiting the sun and the sun orbiting the Earth and thus the whole universe wobbling close in and then far out to account for the changes in the distance of the sun and parallax of the stars . . . but I don’t like that in the slightest bit! . . . not to say it is absolutely wrong. I can’t prove it yet, although I think I can soon . . . but I don’t like it philosophically nor do I see a necessity for it at all since there is negative parallax as well, thus the parallax observations are intrinsic to the motion of those stars and the change in the near then the far distance of the sun over the course of a year.

Allen Daves  

 

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Eight:

 

It is the angle of the sun's rays not this particular distance because it is only a 1.5% change from the average distance ( 3% total from furthest to nearest point ) and does not change the intensity of the sun's rays to any meaningful

degree. In fact the sun is closest in the winter ( January 91.4 million miles = 147.09 million km )  and furthest in the summer ( July 94.51 million miles = 152.10 million km). As for the hottest day . . . that is due to a lot of factors . . . where you are on the globe and not just north or south of the equtor, but look . . . some the worldss deserts lay on the same lattitude as rain forests do . . . it is not as simple as how much sun a location gets that determines it's weather.

Allen Daves 

 

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Seven:

 

"The distance from the sun to the Earth varies some three million miles annually, but that is readily accounted for in a "perfect spiral" and doesn't require an elliptical path."

 

"Yes, but also the Tropic of Cancer ( July ) part of the spiral is larger due to the radius than the Tropic of Capricorn ( January ) part of the spiral due to the sun's radius always being smaller in the January time of year . . . so you will have a spiral but it funnels down in January and funnels out in July . . . . . . also to be very precise we cannot forget the analemma it is actually just a cross section . . .

 . . . the walls of your funnel are a cross section of an analemma sloping down to the Tropic of Capricorn ( always in January ) and sloping up to the Tropic of Cancer ( always in July ). The top of the funnel is only 3% different than the bottom of your funnel . . . the Earth's equator passes through the midway or average width of that funnel." Allen Daves  

 

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Six:

 

The term "fixed" is used in the same way that all other celestial bodies are fixed to the firmament and yet have their own intrinsic motions . . . fixed does not mean that all objects in the firmament move with the same motion at the same rate . . . . . . it really means that their paths are fixed not that they have some static postion within the firmament . . . all celestial bodies have their own and differing paths and motions . . . but we still refer to them as being fixed within the firmament.  Allen Daves

 

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Five:

"How does the Sun 'spiral orbit' if it is 'fixed within the rotating firmament'?

 

. . . . . . It should be referring to the Sun's path and not to the Sun itself.

 

. . . . . . This distinction is very important. It is the path that is fixed, not the object, and this should be clearly specified."

 

Neville Jones 

 

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Four:

 

"No, you have to imagine a spiral like the tip of a screw . . . it is constantly changing it’s size growing larger then smaller again.

 

The spiral is:

* at its largest radius 94.51 million miles from Earth.

* at its smallest radius 91.4 million miles from Earth.

 

Therefore: the radius of the sun’s orbit ( the spiral ) is constantly changing. Let's say it ( the spriral ) starts out small at 91.4 million miles , the radius will constantly grow by approximately:

* 8,219.178 miles per day ( after one day the spiral will be this much larger or smaller )

* 342 miles per hour ( after one hour the spiral will be this much larger or smaller )

* 5.7 miles per minute ( after one minute the spiral will be this much larger or smaller )

* .095 miles per second ( after one second the spiral will be this much larger or smaller )

 

This is the rate at which the radius of the sun’s orbit ( the spiral ) either grows larger until it reaches 94.51 million miles (152.10 million km ) from Earth and then it will begin to grow smaller at that same rate until the Earth/Sun distance ( radius ) reaches 91.4 million miles (147.09 million km ).

 

A good way to imagine this is to look at a potters wheel as it turns . . . it turns once every 24 hours . . .  at the center is the Earth . . . place your finger in the clay, you make a circle, this is the sun . . . now slowly move your finger out 3% of the radius of your first circle . . . now move your finger inward 3% . . . that is the motion of the sun albeit the sun would also move in a spiral helix up and down while it is moving out and in by 3% of the radius . . . there are two motions here, one is up then down the other is in then out again. So there is the spiral up and down motion to account for the seasons but the size of the spiral is constantly changing to account for changes in the distance over the course of a year."

Allen Daves

 

 

Three:

 

Is the sun's orbital path elliptical in one 24 hour period? If so, then what are the times of the day and night for the major and minor axis?
 

 

  

 

 

Two:

 

The orbit of the sun is elliptical around the Earth it is not a perfect spiral. This is the point which I keep trying to make, there is absolutely no reason for a translational orbit except to explain why the Earth's orbit cannot be seen from the Earth . . . However as I keep pointing out this would and can only hold true looking from on Earth. The relative motions between the other positions would not show the same things depending on what the actual motion is. Allen Daves

 

One:

 

The sun, fixed within the rotating firmament, spiral-orbits the Earth north-south and clockwise from the Tropic of Cancer to the Tropic of Capricorn in six months and then alters course laterally to spiral-orbit south-north and clockwise for the next six months. Seasons result from the yearly oscillating helical orbital path of the sun around the untilted/upright stationary Earth.

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