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Statement: “Geosynchronous orbits (GEO) are circular orbits around the Earth having a period of 24 hours. A geosynchronous orbit with an inclination of zero degrees is called a geostationary orbit. A spacecraft in a geostationary orbit appears to hang motionless above one position on the Earth's equator.For this reason, they are ideal for some types of communication and meteorological satellites. A spacecraft in an inclined geosynchronous orbit will appear to follow a regular figure-8 pattern in the sky once every orbit. To attain geosynchronous orbit, a spacecraft is first launched into an elliptical orbit with an apogee of 35,786 km (22,236 miles) called a geosynchronous transfer orbit (GTO). The orbit is then circularized by firing the spacecraft's engine at apogee.” Response: This “figure 8 pattern” is standard for low Earth orbit satellites. It’s real; it’s a fact. No problem. But those LEO patterns go above and below the equator by maybe 30 degrees of latitude on either side. That’s c. 4000 miles and cannot work with the Geostationary Satellites for the simple reason that they are in the same place all the time when you look up, but that wouldn’t be true if you looked up at a spot on the equator at Noon and saw the satellite (as would happen ), but 30 minutes later it is 30 degrees north of the equator and heading for 30 degrees south of the equator. ( I’m not sure about the 30 degrees, but I’ve seen these figure 8 orbital maps and that’s close. Maybe the cap is 23 ½ degrees, or maybe it varies, but the fact remains that—at c.70 miles per degree of latitude—that geostationary satellite is not going to be over your head in the same place at the equator except for a minute or two when it is going by heading north or south! So they claim they take it out of that unworkable LEO pattern by “firing the spacecraft’s engine at apogee . . . to make the orbit circular”. This piece says that they are basically putting a satellite into the unique slot at 22,236 miles ( that part is true, but they have cleverly named it a GTO ) and it “appears to follow a figure-8 pattern . . . later called an “elliptical orbit”, but they “circularize the orbit by firing the spacecraft’s engine at apogee”. These engines are little “spurt” engines to correct minor “drift” realities every once in a while in the truly stationary satellites. The main engine would have to run all the time to keep the satellite from reverting to the normal figure 8 pattern ( or even elliptical orbit which they have named GTO to make their lie sound scientific ). These satellites stay in place for how long? 15-20 years? Their engine can run at constant correction mode for how long? A few months? Less? As with all the rest of the heliocentricity dogma, we are not to believe what we can see, but what we are told is happening to make it jive with what we see. Marshall Hall --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- People who talk about having faith in something they don’t believe ( geocentrism, in his case ) are doubleminded ( James 1 ) and are of no help to either side. He and all who believe in the heliocentricity “science” are witting or unwitting Kabbalists. Heliocentricity is indispensable to the Big Bang Evolutionary Paradigm which supplies the billions of years for the alternate “creation scenario” that destroys the Bible’s credibility. To Vatican Defenders—who are as complicit in the destruction of the Bible’s Credibility as the Pharisees, the trick of holding two mutually destructive ideas in one’s head and arguing that both are true-- they can never contribute anything to advancing spiritual truth because they will always ultimately be defending their ‘religion”, be it Pharisee, or Roman Catholic, or Southern Baptist. Marshall Hall --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tony said ( January 30, 2009 ):Dan Roper used the term "the supremacy of reason." Atheists are obviously shallow minded beyond belief. There are so many proofs that reason alone leads to insanity one would think no one would even put it on a par with reasonable belief, which is much, much deeper than so-called "pure reason." Practically every inmate in an asylum is there because of the supremacy of his personal reasoning over all else in his life. I may not have it right ( because I never studied the man closely ) but it seems to me that those who worship reason also worship Thomas Paine. But how many of them know how sadly Paine's "reasoning" ruined his life? Roper should take a day or so to simply contemplate his own hands and actually try to "reason" to himself how these most versatile tools in the universe could have possibly come about by some accident. Or his own eyes, if hands are not amazingly miraculous enough for him. Reason taken to extremes is simply nuts, not supreme in any manner. All one has to do is look at the horrible mess the world is in since too many people in it chose to ignore God and strike out on their own reasoning. Makes the ages of religious restraint comparatively truly reasonable indeed. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Letter 1. - Great website! I’m forwarding it to some of my colleagues who take an interest in the whole “religion vs. science” debate. I especially like the creative application of logic to undermine applications of logic to so-called “scientific” theories! Reminds me a lot of the text on bottles of Dr. Emmanuelle Bronner’s Pure Castille Soap ( you simply must get yourself a bottle and check it out! Very effective, and a pretty good soap too. ) You simply cannot trust the scientific method to provide “truth” -- all it ever produces is a series of incrementally improved “predictive models” of reality. I wish more people were aware of this. Thanks for bringing this to my attention, and good luck! Dr. *** ******; Professional Space Scientist; Disclaimer: All statements herein are my own personal beliefs and do not reflect official policy of *******. Letter 2. “I took an hour to evaluate the geocentric evidence and arguments presented. The author raised logical arguments which were apparently UNASSAILABLE that the geocentric model of the universe is at least as valid as the heliocentric model. There should be somebody with first-hand experimental evidence of a reproducible nature that corroborates the claims of science that the Earth is itself in motion. I hope somebody who cares can give this proof, if indeed it exists as it legally should.” Response – “The burden of proof should be on the heliocentrists who have only a mathematical model built on assumptions. That ain’t science and everybody has a right to know that fact.” --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The sun and the Earth
"The Warmth of Winter" ( 6th November stated that "the Earth moves through its orbit". Yet scientists admit that "We cannot feel our motion through space. Nor has any experiment ever proved that the Earth is actually in motion!" ( Einstein's chief disciple Professor Lincoln Barnett ). The Lubavitcher Rebbe, who was thoroughly familiar with the subject, wrote: "It is my firm belief that it is the Sun that revolves around the Earth, as I have also declared publicly on various occasions and in discussion with professors specializing in this field of science."
The seasons referred to in the article are explained in the geocentric model by the stars being seen to rotate about the Earth 366 times in a 365 day year. In addition the sun travels in a to-and fro elliptical north-south spiral pattern in the course of a year. On the summer solstice the Sun reaches as far north as it is going to go, and on the winter solstice it reaches its southernmost point: "The Sun rises and the Sun sets, and to its place it draws, there to rise again; it goes to the south and turns to the north" ( Koheles 1 ).
All the planets and stars participate in this motion, which is an inherent property of the firmament. The result is that parallax, aberration, the annual Doppler Shift, the precession of the equinoxes and perihelion precession are fully accounted for in the geocentric model:
See "Geocentrism" Avi Rabinowitz, B'Or Ha Torah 1986;
"De Labore Solis - Airy's Failure reconsidered", Walter van der Kamp 1988;
"Geocentricity" Geradus Bouw 1993;
"True science agrees with the Bible" Malcolm Bowden 1998;
"Torah Metaphysics versus Newtonian Empiricism", Rabbi Shimon Cowen B'Or Hatorah 1999;
"Mind over Matter - the Lubavitcher Rebbe on Science, Technology and Medicine" 2003;
and Galileo was wrong: the scientific case for geocentrism", Robert Sungenis and Robert Bennett 2006.
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The Book of Enoch (also referred to as "Ethiopian Enoch" or "1 Enoch") Chapter 77 1The names of the sun are these: one Aryares, the other Tomas. 2The moon has four names. The first is Asonya; the second, Ebla; the third, Benase; and the fourth, Erae. 3These are the two great luminaries, whose orbs are as the orbs of heaven; and the dimensions of both are equal. 4In the orb of the sun there is a seventh portion of light, which is added to it from the moon. (83) By measure it is put in, until the seventh portion of the light of the sun is departed. They set, enter into the western gate, circuit by the north, and through the eastern gate go forth over the face of heaven. (83) A seventh portion…from the moon. Or, "seven parts of light which are added to it more than to the moon" (Knibb, p. 182). 5When the moon rises, it appears in heaven; and the half of a seventh portion of light is all which is in it. 6In fourteen days the whole of its light is completed. 7By three quintuples light is put into it, until in fifteen days its light is completed, according to the signs of the year; it has three quintuples. 8The moon has the half of a seventh portion. 9During its diminution on the first day its light decreases a fourteenth part; on the second day it decreases a thirteenth part; on the third day a twelfth part; on the fourth day an eleventh part; on the fifth day a tenth part; on the sixth day a ninth part; on the seventh day it decreases an eighth part; on the eighth day it decreases a seventh part; on the ninth day it decreases a sixth part; on the tenth day it decreases a fifth part; on the eleventh day it decreases a fourth part; on the twelfth day it decreases third part; on the thirteenth day it decreases a second part; on the fourteenth day it decreases a half of its seventh part; and on the fifteenth day the whole remainder of its light is consumed. 10On stated months the moon has twenty-nine days. 11It also has a period of twenty-eight days. 12Uriel likewise showed me another regulation, when light is poured into the moon, how it is poured into it from the sun. 13All the time that the moon is in progress with its light, it is poured into it in the presence of the sun, until its light is in fourteen days completed in heaven. 14And when it is wholly extinguished, its light is consumed in heaven; and on the first day it is called the new moon, for on that day light is received into it. 15It becomes precisely completed on the day that the sun descends into the west, while the moon ascends at night from the east. 16The moon then shines all the night, until the sun rises before it; when the moon disappears in turn before the sun. 17Where light comes to the moon, there again it decreases, until all its light is extinguished, and the days of the moon pass away. 18Then its orb remains solitary without light. 19During three months it effects in thirty days each month its period; and during three more months it effects it in twenty-nine days each. These are the times in which it effects its decrease in its first period, and in the first gate, namely, in one hundred and seventy-seven days. 20And at the time of its going forth during three months it appears thirty days each, and during three more months it appears twenty-nine days each. 21In the night it appears for each twenty days as the face of a man, and in the day as heaven; for it is nothing else except its light. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Question: In Geocentrism/Geostatic, does the Moon rotate? Answer: "Putting a hundred things that factor in aside, the central fact which both geo and helio models must accommodate is that the same side of the moon ( plus c. 5% as I recall ) is all we ever see from the Earth. All kinds of phenomena could enter into producing that extra 5% ( Harvest and Hunter Moon variations; the 31,000 mile in and out spiral every two weeks; some kind of inclination constant; etc. ) so I don’t pretend to have that worked out. It just seems to me that the answer is basically “no” with some kind of a partial rotation incorporated in each revolution which would accommodate—or allow to be seen—the extra 5% movement without continuing to rotate. Anyway, the same face reality remains and is something that both models have to accommodate. The helio accommodation is forced to abandon all observational evidence and embrace three major assumptions in order to fabricate a mathematical model which must continually lay on a montage of assumptions for every claim it makes to achieve the stages to the Kabbalic Big Bang “creation scenario”. The first two assumptions are that the Earth rotates and that it orbits the sun ( which must stop its observed orbit around the Earth ). But these alone simply can not and do not work without the third assumption; namely, that the Moon’s direction must be reversed from what is observed. And, of course, its speed must be adjusted so that it will accommodate what is actually seen. I don’t think one person—even “educated” persons—in a thousand realizes that the Copernican Mathematical Model could not work unless the Moon’s direction is reversed so that it goes the opposite of what is seen. This is not science! Science ( scire ) means “to know”. If we don’t know what we see and what we see never changes ( east to west ) is the truth, then we can never know anything and “science” has no meaning. Contrariwise, if we say we know what we see and has never changed is the truth because a mathematical model can give us a way of denying what we see, then, clearly, we can never truly know anything but invented/created mathematical theory and no true “science” can exist. This is the Pharisee way with its Kabbalic “wisdom” which uses witchcraft to make lies into truths with its “relativity” and all the rest. God will not let His Word come back void, but it will accomplish what it says . . . namely, SUN, STAND THOU STILL, and all the rest . . . The Bible and Christ-killing Pharisee Religion’s Big Bang Evolutionary Paradigm is a supernaturally empowered clever counterfeit of the truth, and heliocentricity is both its keystone and its Achilles Heel. Marshall Hall Answer: Think about every rotation you can observe . . . it is nothing more than a single point that has a progressive radial orientation to a common point . . . now look on the Moon . . . take any fixed point on the Moon . . . the only progressive radial orientation made by any fixed point on the Moon is to a common point that lay outside the Moon . . . thus the Moon does not rotate it orbits . . . a rotation is a progressive radial orientaion to a common point that lay internal of the object in rotation . . . i.e. the center of a record, drill any hole you want to in it . . . all rotation will be around that point that lay inside the record itself . . . where in an orbit the only common point that any other point on the Moon can make a progressive radial orientation to is at the Earth not the Moon . . . orbit common point outside the body in question . . . rotation = common point internal to the body in question . . . the Moon orbits it most certainly does not rotate. Allen Daves ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The whole creation is a manifestation of the Creator and dependent upon Him for sustenance. Sin, which is unbelief in the revealed Word of God, interrupted the continuity of the Word and introduced death and destruction upon all. Satan has taught the children of disobedience that there is no Creator, that having evolved from uncreated primal ooze we are all made out of ticky-tacky and we all look just the same. So the unthinking unbelievers imagine the universe is "held together" with ticky-tacky and not the Word of God. Ignoring these for whom Jesus would not pray ( John 17:9; 1 John 5:16 ), widespread belief in evolution . . . has multiplied unbelief in God's Word within nominal Christendom, and the world is falling apart. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It is my understanding that the Roman Church withdrew its opposition to Copernicanism well before the 18th century, but formalized that withdrawal c.1835 by removing his book from the banned book list. It is also my understanding that the sum of the lengthy Council of Trent some 450 years ago was that obvious contradictions between what the Scriptures teach and what the Church teaches are to be resolved by the faithful accepting what the Church teaches.
Believing these understandings to be a matter of historical record, the puzzlement I have is why any more credence should be given to any given Scripture ( e.g., the geocentrist parts ) than, say, the parts that deny the Churches’ Mariolatry doctrine ( or any of a dozen others ). How can one project a credible witness for the truth on one subject ( stationary Earth ) while attributing belief in that subject because they are “fundamentalist believers in scripture as writ”, while rejecting or adding to or subtracting from other “scripture as writ”? How can one claim one portion of Scripture must be viewed as truth by a system which blatantly alters Scripture and justifies the alteration with the words of men outside of Scripture?
God knows men’s hearts, of course, and no uncertainty remains in His Judgment as to whether He has kept His Word inerrant, sufficient, and infallible. Which is more apt to please Him and produce truth: agreement with all of His Word “as holy writ”, or with some man-made system which claims to be the only true representative of His truth…when it is clear on the Geocentrism Doctrine alone that no church—however “fundamentalist” it may claim to be—will stand up boldly for a non-moving Earth?
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The fundamental issue and point on the Van Allen radiation belt is on the danger, not sources or kinds . . . Will it kill you to pass through it or not?
1. Some of Cosmic radiation energy does get trapped in the Earth's magnetic field and radiation belt, for sure it does travel in the belt . . . and does have a “not so good” effect on humans, so the kind of radiation that is going to contribute to your death is . . . well . . . not so much the point as to whether or not it will kill you period. 2. In any case, it is the radiation intensity at the belts location regardless of where the sources of the radiation are coming from . . . which must include all sources of radiation at that location regardless if it is a internal or external source of radiation . . . I did not say cosmic rays were sourced in the Van Allen belt . . . I said . . . "in part the very radiation who's intensity at and through the belt is the very question".
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While it would not surprise me if "solar system" distances were proven to be exaggerated--I have maintained that it isn't necessary--nor even important--to throw out the standard distances in order to effectively undercut the Pharisee Big Bang Evolutionary Cosmology in all its assumptive parts ( viz., the Kabbala's 15 billion year old Big Bang, heliocentricity, relativity, expanding universe, parallel universes, superstrings, etc.). Star trail photos alone point out the original heliocentric assumption upon which all the rest stands. I have also been--and remain--uncommitted to challenging Moon and Mars landings, etc., except to point out that they all confirm NASA's Kabbalist-directed "Origins Agenda" to find "our cosmic roots"...always underscoring the 4 billion year age of the moon, and letting it be known that the real purpose of the whole space enterprise is to pump evolutionism and, more explicitly, extraterrestrial evolutionism, etc. The model of the universe he embraces is derived concept for concept ( as above ) from a "holy book" ( Zohar/Kabbala ) of the Pharisee Religion. It's certainly his business if he wants to embrace the "creation scenario" of the Pharisee Religion instead of the "creation scenario" from the Bible of the Christian Religion. No problem. Just don't believe your preferred model is based on "secular" science. It isn't, and the world needs to know that. When it does know that, then it is a short work to demonstrate that the entire Pharisee Model is built upon and cannot survive without the heliocentricity assumption. Marshall Hall
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Do you not find it amazing that no one--like NO ONE--amongst all the truly smart and informed people out there who have made the connection between Jewish Control of global power levers, but yet are either ignorant of--or in denial of--Jewish control of modern man's "knowledge" base through their control of "Origins Science" via NASA et al?
There is no more rudimentary control over all peoples than control of their belief/conviction/faith in how the universe, Earth and mankind came to be. We now know--or can very quickly learn--that the ruling Big Bang Paradigm of 15 billion years of evolutionism is an allegedly "secular" scientific Model that is not "secular" at all but is, rather, derived concept for concept from the "holy book" Zohar/Kabbala of the anti-Bible, anti-Christ Pharisee Religion. The facts behind this revelation are as inflexible as the multiplication table. Moreover, the evidence of outright fraud in the fabrication of telescopes, cameras, redshift claims, physics, computer-programmed virtual reality simulations, etc., awaits all who can handle the truth. Whether one works backward from the Big Bang maze of assumptions to the Copernican foundation of it all; or, one works forward from the clever but blatantly assumptive ( contra-scientific ) Copernican foundation right on through the known Kabbalist components of the Big Bang ( billions of years of evolution, heliocentricity, relativity, expanding universe...and recently, parallel universes and superstrings), the conclusion is the same.
That conclusion offers two and only two choices for all who discover the reality and scope of the Pharisee Deception. The two choices are these: One can stand on the side of the "creation scenario" which rests upon--and does not exist without--those 15 billion years of evolutionism. Or, one can stand on the side of the "creation scenario" which rests upon--and does not exist without--acceptance of the Biblical six-day creation and total denial of those billions of years of evolutionism. Those who think the "theistic evolutionist" position is a third alternative, have only to declare whether the God/g'd they choose to follow is the God of the Biblical six day creation. If they say "Yes", and add that they are followers of Jesus too, they must realize that it is not possible to have the Biblical Creator as their God if they accept evolutionism because He is the God who used no evolution whatsoever to create everything. The "theistic evolutionist" position is acceptable to the Pharisee religion which can co-exist with no g'd or any g'd one wishes to follow, just so long as the billions of years of evolution remain as the mechanism for creation one's choice of g'ds is fixed and unchangeable. The only God that is taboo and emphatically rejected by the Talmud/Kabbalist/Pharisee religion is the one who used no evolution at all to create everything, i.e., the God of the Bible.
So, when all is said and done relevant as to which choice one can make after the Big Bang Pharisee evidence is confirmed and digested, two identities--and two alone--are open to all, viz.: One can stick with evolutionism, become a Pharisee, become an atheist or "theist" of some sort, and deny the Biblical God and Jesus. Or one can denounce evolutionism, become a Christian, and accept the Biblical God the Father and Jesus as those who had the resources to perform a six day creation as written.
This choice is the apotheosis of all truths relating to the control Zionism and Christian Zionism exercise, etc. These many truths are straining to break into the open. And, as those already knowledgeable about many of those truths become ready to test this conclusion will readily discover, the factless Copernican Heliocentricity Model--an indispensable pre-Copernican Kabbalic concept--is the keystone of Satan's entire edifice of deception ( Babylon ). This edifice--as written over 1900 years ago by that same no evolution Creator God--will be "overcome" just "one hour" ( 2-3 months ) after a Global Government is seated. Those who cannot receive a love of the truth will become overt Satan worshippers under that Government's leadership. The false ( Kabbalist/Christian Zionist ) eschatologies ( pre-trib rapture Dispensationalism, Preterit Postmillenialism and historical Amillennism ) will be exposed in Babylon's Fall and the final months of this Old Earth ( Is. 65:17; 66:22; Matt.24:35; II Pet. 3:10-13; Rev. 20:11; 21:1; etc. ) will unfold quite predictably through the Seven Trumpet Plagues, the "little season" to the last day rapture ( I Thess. 4:13-18 ), general resurrection ( Jn.5:28,29; John 10:16 ), the Judgment ( Rev. 20:11,12 ), the eternal New Earth ( Rev. 21:1-7 ).
Am I claiming that irrefutable Biblical and scientific support for all this and much more is available at www.fixedearth.com? Yes. Am I claiming that the Bible alone is inerrant, sufficient, and infallible, and that Christ alone is the overcoming Leader seeking to have His "called, chosen, and faithful" ( Rev. 17:14 ) begin to unleash His WMD against the Pharisee control of "science falsely so called" ( I Tim. 6:20,21 ). Yes. The rest will unfold according to Him whose "works were known from the beginning of the world" ( Acts 15:16 ). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
. . . you've got Mainstream Science which is broken up into endless disciplines that hardly any of which talk to each other. So even Mainstream Science has got many, many, many of these dots. What it doesn't do is connect them, and systematically science is discouraged from connecting them because once they're connected suddenly we start to see a completely different picture of the life we are experiencing, and who we are. And it's become clear to me that we live in the equivalent of, obviously a much more advanced version of the wireless internet . . . David Icke more HERE.
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"A 'singularity' ( a point of zero volume and infinite density ), is an abstraction, not a physical object. In other words, a point is a purely mathematical object. No one has ever observed a point, and no one ever will, because God does not make points in the natural world." S.C.
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"Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality." Nikola Tesla
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The collar flap quip was a weak attempt at humor...given the various speeds the Earth must move in the heliocentric, galactic, big bang model. Weak though it be as humor, the jetliner illustration will not fly, so to speak. The nose of the jet and the windshield ( the whole plane for that matter ) can be likened in one respect to the Earth allegedly speeding along like a large cannonball at, for example, some 500,000 MPH around the Milky Way, as claimed. Unless one accepts Einstein's erasure of the aether, one can only conclude that there would be enough friction at 500,000 MPH to make some wind-like impression on that fellow with the open collar if he were to get out of the pressurized cabin and sit on the nose a bit. The question then seems to come to rest on whether the aether question has been solved. We've all seen plenty of rejection of that concept along with relativity, curved space, time travel, and other fantasies, I believe.
The "multiple experiments" refer to over 200 Michelson-Morley experiments in the l880's. It's factual. I see no need to change it.
The "nearly all experiments" sentence baffles one a bit . . . No experiments are necessary to know there is diurnal rotation; we just watch or photograph star trails and we know that much. That's where the assumptions begin! We deny what we see and photograph and insist that the assumption of a rotating Earth is causing the phenomena. Assumption ain't science. Yet this little assumption is the keystone upon which the entire Pharisee/Kabbala Big Bang Evolutionary Paradigm is built, and without that assumption the whole edifice of deception is exposed and falls.
If the gyroscope illustration proved anything it would be on the news 24/7 for a month. We need to stop being indecisive and act when it comes to this pivotal, total game-changing, knowledge-forming geocentrism model. It's Biblical; it answers all known science; and it pulls the rug out from under five centuries of Satan's use of "science falsely so called to destroy Bible credibility from creation through the Flood to Jesus and Heaven. "Sun stand thou still...." ( and scores more verses ) will prove to be the Achilles Heel of Satan's fine-tuning of his 6000 years of deception. Over 1900 years ago God wrote of "the war the Lamb wins" ( Rev. 17:14 ) and how it produces the Fall of Babylon ( Satan's empire )...( vs.14-18; ch. 14, 18, etc. )
Of course such attributions of Truth from the Bible ( even when backed by all known science and challenged only seriously by anti-Christ Phariseeism ) mean little if one's religion depends upon acceptance of anti-Bible teachings and doctrines. Those too are scheduled for exposure in the above Fall. Then we will know for sure which side to get on...as in Rev. 13, etc." Marshall Hall
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Creationist leaders ( and followers ) are going to have to face the incontrovertible fact that The Copernican Revolution did three centuries of spade work in destroying Bible Credibility which provided the foundation for the Darwinian Revolution and made possible the establishment of the Pharisee/Kabbalist Big Bang Evolutionary Paradigm of 15 billion years duration. Those leaders and their followers are 25 years behind in the development of the evolution fantasy curve, which--with Sagan and NASA leading the charge from Darwinism to Panspermian extraterrestrialism--has planted those 15 billion years in the textbooks. If Creationists continue to actively promote the Copernican keystone of this knowledge-controlling fantasy ( and continue to ignore both the geocentric Scripture, true science, and the Pharisee "creation scenario" which they make possible by stonewalling against geocentrism )... they must take responsibility for the almost total victory of the evolution based "creation scenario" of the Pharisee religion's anti-Christ Kabbala, over the six day "creation scenario" of the Christian religion's Bible.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CHANGING A BIBLICAL WORD CAN CHANGE A DOCTRINE! "Teachings which claim to be Biblical, but are not, cause millions of people to be confused about whether they can trust it or not. Surprisingly, many of those false doctrines are built on changing just one Biblical word or its meaning. Here are 12 examples. See what great deceptions have been hatched by just changing a word! Example #1 - The word “SUN” Joshua said: SUN, stand thou still ...and the SUN stood still..." ( Joshua 10:12,13 ). This plain teaching tells everyone that the Biblical God says it is the sun and not the earth that moves. Nevertheless, all churches have changed that meaning in both verses to: "Earth stand still...and the Earth stood still”. Scores of other sun moving Scriptures are ignored or pooh-poohed. To this very hour there is no proof from “science falsely so called” to justify this pivotal change). Neither is there one verse of Scripture which says that the Earth rotates and orbits the sun! Nevertheless, the churches--even the Creationists continue to stonewall against attacking and exposing this indispensable, yet vulnerable guarantor of the Big Bang Evolutionary Paradigm’s success!" More HERE. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Jesus' tells us who it is that owns this earth. Indeed, how could 'Jesus' have even been tempted with "all the kingdoms of the earth," unless the tempter owned them all in the first place? So I would agree with you that the bible establishes "evidence for [its] existence," though I disagree with your opinion that this is the only "credible" evidence. The Devil identifies itself as the father of the so-called 'Israelites' (Jews) and gives the game away in Exodus 19:5 - "Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant, then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession. Although the whole earth is mine, you will be for me a kindom of priests and a holy nation. ..." This is the Devil speaking, not God. Neville T. Jones, Ph.D. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"But that’s not the worst of it. The lies we have created for ourselves as truth are now manifesting, full flower, in our own reality. The lies we have told ourselves about the origin and structure of the universe are somehow being re-created in the real world, and pathological mass death is the result." Anti-Pharisee
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The Sun's rising and setting, and the length of time that it is above the horizon, varies from day to day. Since wristwatches cannot be made to reflect these variations and since we divide periods into equal increments (60 sec = 1 min, 60 min = 1 hr, 24 hrs = 1 day), it is actually the mean, or average, taken over 12 months, that is used for watch and clock calibration. In other words, to be more precise, 24 mean solar hours = 1 mean solar day. We thus invent a 'mean Sun' that is constant in its imaginary rotation, as well as the 'true Sun' that follows a helical locus. There is a Guided Tour talk on the subject of 'time' in GU 3.0 Neville Jones ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Psalm 19 gives us an awesome look at the transforming power of God and his word. Verses 1-6 declare the glory of God’s creation and the fact the heavens and skies are enduring evidence of God’s existence and creative power." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Question:What is the smallest number that one could realistically use for the size of the Geocentric universe? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If the Earth were going around the Sun, then the speed of the satellite would have to adjust due to the different gravitational pull of the Earth. When the satellite is behind the Earth it would have to "chase" the Earth. When in front of Earth, the Earth would chase the satellite. Since the Earth is supposedly going around the Sun with the speed of 107,534 km/hr, the speed of the satellite would have to DRASTICALLY change to account for the change of the gravity pull. 2. Doing the same experiment with a SOUND WAVE fortunately can check this. Doppler's effect would apply. 3. Michelson-Morley experiment doesn't indicate that the light travels with the same speed independent of Earth's motion. It indicates that the Earth is stationary. 4. Microwave radiation is 2.7 all over the Earth because the Earth doesn't move. 5. Weight of objects would be affected depending on which side of the Earth they would be. The "density distribution" theory wouldn't help, because it would have to change non-stop as the Earth rotates. If the weight of objects is not changing with the location on Earth, then the centrifugal force couldn't possibly make the Earth bulge at the equator. That proves Newton wrong. 6. The Earth doesn't have its "density" distributed so exactly as to ideally match the centrifugal force. Such argument is self-serving, arbitrary and logically invalid because there is no evidence to measure it and therefore to support it. 7. The shapes of "constellations" don't change over thousands of years. 8. Earth is the only planet with millions of life forms. The Bible mentions only life on Earth. 9. Only humans are capable of having a "point of view", therefore it's OUR point of view that matters as CENTRAL. 10. Copernicus didn't provide evidence to support his theory. 11. Contrary to Copernicus, it's not mathematically possible to "calculate" if the Earth is revolving around the Sun. 12. Newton's thought experiment with a bucket of water, indicates that the Earth is not revolving. ( The water should sway if the Earth was revolving ). That's a classic example of lack of centrifugal force of supposedly rotating Earth. 13. On time-delayed pictures of stars, the Polaris star almost doesn't move. The only way it can work is if both the Earth and Polaris don't move. The Earth is therefore the centre of the universe and Polaris is its end. 14. The circular movement of stars on time-delayed pictures cannot be created by Earth's rotation. If the Earth revolved the paths of stars would be horizontal not circular. 15. Satellites go around the Earth because the space around revolves, thus acting on satellites. You can even put a can of Coca Cola and make it a satellite. 16. The constellations don't change, year after year. 17. Heavenly bodies don't collapse together, because their attraction is perfectly balanced by equal centrifugal force resulting from revolving around the Earth. 18. The universe is found to expand AWAY from the Earth with EQUAL speed, that means that the Universe STARTED from the Earth. 19. God started to create the Universe from the Earth, why would a Perfect Being put it later somewhere else? Wouldn't he put it where it was supposed to be right away? He is perfect so why would He NOT start from the CENTER, as the center is perfectly balanced and therefore requires less effort to start there. By the way, did I mention that the Bible says that God created the sphere of the Earth and hang it on nothing? That was when no human could imagine the Earth hanging on nothing. The Bible also says that the Earth is MOTIONLESS. Since rotation is "motion" and there is no motion, hence the Earth doesn't rotate.
Polaris Effect: On several time-delayed pictures there are shown circulating stars. Supposedly, because of the Earth's movement around its own axis. However, their circulation is in the wrong direction… If the Earth is moving around, then the stars should "move" horizontally, with slight bent upwards on northern hemisphere and a slight bent downwards on southern hemisphere. That's because the Earth is a sphere. The stars should appear to move in the opposite direction to Earth's movement. In fact, the stars are moving in a circle, around the star Polaris. Hence, "Polaris Effect". The stars on the outside of Polaris move faster. It is because the distance they travelled is bigger. They also move in unison, which proves that they are somehow connected. To make it even more puzzling, the time interval of the film exposure does not match the part of the circle that the star would travel in that part of day. I mean if the time exposure is 4 hours, then if 24 hours is full circle then 4 hours should be one sixth of the full circle. However, it's only about 1/12. The direction of stars' rotation seems to be the same as Earth's… If Earth is turning from left to right, then the stars should appear to turn from right to left! If the stars move from left to right, then Earth may be stationary. The Polaris star is always stationary. The only way a point can remain stationary, is when both the observer and the point are stationary, or both move in unison. Since the other stars move in unison relative to the Earth, then both Polaris and Earth must be motionless! More: http://www.wiser.tv/physics/motionless.html by Pawel Kolasa ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Atheism is faith-based. God is reason and science. 'They' reverse everything."
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"The Theory of Heliocentrism is full of holes and belongs in the Doghouse."
 Geocentrist Manfred Albrecht Freiherr von Richthofen; also known as The Red Baron.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Einstein was a Zionist/Kabbalist stooge used to rescue Copernicanism from the Michelson-Morley experiment and establish the phony relativity concept ( proffered by 13th century heavyweight Nachmanides and etched in stone by Kabbalist superstar, Isaac Luria in the 16th century ). Nachmanides also added heliocentricity to the Kabbalic Universe 300 years before Copernicus. Luria fleshed out the scheme, and 20th century "Jewish Physics"--as the Germans called it--went to afterburners with Sagan programming NASA's computers under Daniel Goldin's nine year rule there with his ( and Sagan's ) "Origin Program" to "find our cosmic roots"...with taxpayer's money, of course. Marshall Hall ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Liberals: The Scientist should help the Poor! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " . . . the Pharisee Josef Goebbels explained: 'If you tell a lie big enough [ like heliocentricity ] and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as The State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth [ like Geocentrism ] is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of The State'." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. - Scientists have exposed some of the mystery behind the northern lights. On Thursday, NASA released findings that indicate magnetic explosions about one-third of the way to the moon cause the northern lights, or aurora borealis, to burst in spectacular shapes and colors, and dance across the sky. By MARCIA DUNN, AP Aerospace Writer
Another step away from the scientific overload placed on Newtonian "gravity". Electromagnetism is the key to most of what goes on not only in the universe, but in our bodies and ultimtely the "retrieval" of our ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "This brings up another very important point. When the Pharisee Science Crime Network is finally destroyed, we would be fools to let the majority of mainstream scientists tell us how the world operates. Science careers should only be made available to those who did not bow to their paycheck and instead rebelled against performing lies and deceptions for the Science Crime Network."
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Notice also that many science articles are difficult to read. This is not because of bad writing abilities. It's because the article wasn't written to inform us of an intelligent concept; rather, it was written to confuse us and spread science propaganda. Whenever you find a science article that's difficult to read, you have to consider the possibility that it's propaganda." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Pay a carbon tax or get kidney stones! - Other hysterical claims: the coral reefs will die, Russians will suffer disease and drought, and the funniest: US soldiers will be beaten by Somali rebels. Our universities are full of criminals with Ph.D.'s. The people and groups that push global warming should be investigated."
Eric Hufschmid
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Kingdom of God ( e.g. awareness of Geocentrism ) cannot be bought, cannot be obtained by human force, cannot be seized by cunning. It is given as a gift to those who have a childlike spirit. Only a childlike spirit will see HERE."
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Most of the population will believe the propaganda of a rotating and orbiting Earth, but they're the sheeple who don't think well. But the small minority of people who can face reality and think for themselves are slowly wising up to this propaganda." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Every civilization and every society within a particular civilization rests on a series of presuppositions [ like heliocentricity ]. These presuppositions are considered sacrosanct by most members of the society. They are considered self-attesting, self-reinforcing, and self-evident. In other words, they take on the characteristics of a religion. That is because they are deeply religious. . . These presuppositions are considered so sacrosanct that anyone who publicly challenges them, let alone refers to them as self-interested, risks becoming the target of a systematic program of reprisals: shunning, loss of employment, and ridicule. . . The problem comes when the organization [ like MainStream Science ] seeks public support, especially tax support, which means that its members seek support from people [ like Geocentrists ] who do not share their presuppositions. At this point, the deception begins. It is initially the deception of the general public, but over time it becomes self-deception on a massive scale. The beneficiaries of the tax subsidies really do come to believe that their narrow special interest [ Pharisee Zionism ] represents the best interest of the public at large." Gary North ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Your idea, that if I have proven "famous" Heliocentricity astronomers wrong then I would get a Nobel prize is childish. It is YOU who don't understand those heliocentric theories, that's why you think they are RIGHT. Not because they ARE right, but because you lack the intellect to tell right from wrong. And now you certainly hate me for speaking the truth. Because truth hurts the feelings of the person who is wrong." Pawel Kolassa ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Those who have real power typically avoid exposure and unwanted attention by denying that they have it. The Establishment exists but doesn't want the public to get the full picture of its control. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- “So, what is the deeper meaning and importance of this peculiar spiritual alliance between Pharisee Zionism and Christian Zionism which asserts that American Foreign Policy will always be on Zionist Israel's side?? It is certain that no two religions could be further apart than Talmud/Kabbala-based Rabbinic Judaism with its "Zionist Dream" and New Testament-based Christianity! Also, no part of the U.S. Constitution will support the Temple and Religious Borders plans of a religion, anti-Christ or not. How has all this stayed under the media radar?! Go figure: The Talmudists say that Jews are g'd's only real people and all others are animals; that women are inferior to men; that sodomy and pedophilia are OK; that Jesus was a bastard born of a whore; that He is boiling in feces and semen in hell; That His New Testament is blank paper; that it is OK to cheat, rob, and kill Christians particularly ( and other non-Jews generally; etc. ) Also, the Kabbala says that a "big bang" 15 billion years ago "created" everything through an evolutionary process, with or without some guidance by the g'd or goddess or force of your choice, EXCEPT the God of Biblical Creation Who used no evolution at all . . . By way of contrast, Bible Christians say that all people are created equal; that God is no respecter of race or gender; that Jesus is the only begotten son of God through the virgin Mary; that anyone can become God the Father's adopted child and Jesus' half brother or sister . . . and equal heirs with Jesus eternally; that sexual perversion and cheating and robbing and murder are unacceptable; that all that exists was created in six literal days by the only God Who needed no evolution to do it." Marshall Hall ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The Satanic Force that manipulates the world, the "Elite," is programming your TV, your daily newspaper, etc. Your culture is being fed ( programmed ) to you from the top-down . . . controlled, directed and institutued from the top level of Paper Money/Fractional Reserve Hectotrillionaire Banksters on DOWN to the "Leader of the Country" mid-level manager/puppet position and then on down from there. They are working continually so that your country is harmonizing or adjusting really quick over the global one-world ( banking "Elite" ) agenda. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Quit accepting the drivel that is passed off as news. I often see people say the media can't be trusted...but then they hear a specific story and believe it. If they can't be trusted, it's that simple--they can't be trusted."
Fritz Springmeier
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Statement: "Most people would consider heliocentricity as just a theory/speculation/opinion, but not a conspiracy." Response: Heliocentricity is textbook "science", not opinion, etc., Yet, along with other textbook "facts" ( a big bang, 15 billion years of evolution, heliocentricity, relativity, expanding universe, superstrings, parallel universes ) we find that each of these concepts is found in the anti-Bible, anti-Christ "holy book" Zohar/Kabbala of the Pharisee Religion... dating back at least 2000 years. Are you quite sure that this alternate "creation scenario" of the Pharisee Religion ( put in place largely by Jewish "scientists" ) is a random occurrence and not a conspiracy designed to do just what it does, namely, destroy the Biblical "creation scenario" and thus the credibility of the Bible from creation through Jesus to Heaven, etc.? And, by the way, the whole Kabbalic Universe--now in the textbooks and most people's heads as something "secular science" has proven--collapses like a punctured balloon if the sun goes around the Earth as observed just as the Bible says repeatedly and all known science confirms. Heliocentricity is the Achilles' heel of Zionism and all the Talmudic/Kabbalic/anti-Christ Satanism now in virtual control of the world. All the facts needed to bring it all down ( just as the Bible declares will happen ) are available to all truth-seekers with a voice. Satan is the ultimate conspirator, and his whole show rests on keeping any real attack on the heliocentricity myth from occurring. If one is a believer in the big bang, and that 15 billion years of evolution has "created" the sun, moon, stars, and you and me and the trees ( as the whole world has been indoctrinated to believe ), that is understandable. The indoctrination is relentless. But you know who controls the media, the school curriculums, politics, money, entertainment, etc., so just add "science" to that list and ask yourself why the same gang couldn't be controlling that too...and why "false science" couldn't be the mother of all conspiracies: HERE. This NASA link is one of several that will show you how telescopes and computers are manipulated to provide that Virtual Reality Universe that we have been fooled into believing is real science...when it is Pharisee "creationism" and a factless myth without the first piece of proof: HERE. Again, here is one of several links that will prove that the whole business is a spiritual conspiracy: HERE. Marshall Hall ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The 1887 Michelson-Morley experiment showed an ether drift on average of 1-4km/sec. It did not detect the expected ether drift of 30km/sec, and therefore the results were considered “null,” and science tried its best to Here is the problem for heliocentricity: all the interferometer experiments show there was a resistance on average of 1-4km. ( These facts are painstakingly documented in the book Galileo Was Wrong. Call the resistance what you will, but we will settle for ether until it can be disproved ). This ether resistance is not enough to account for an Earth revolving around the sun, since the interferometer experiments only showed about one-tenth of what was required for a revolving Earth. But the interferometers did show enough resistance to account for at least two other possibilities: (a) a rotating Earth in a fixed ether, or (b) a rotating ether around a fixed Earth. Geocentrism says, of the two, only (b) can be correct ( which would correspond to the universe rotating around a fixed Earth. The reason that (a) must be excluded is, if one claims that the Earth is rotating in a fixed ether, then in order to account for the four seasons, one must also say that the Earth is also revolving around the sun. In other words, a heliocentrist cannot have a rotating Earth without an Earth revolving around the sun. But the interferometer experiments did not show an Earth revolving around the sun, since the results were way below 30km/sec. There are other things for you to consider before you answer this question: a) Maxwell’s equations, which are still used today, assume the presence of ether, and, in fact, Maxwell had two different equations to account for a magnet passing over an induction coil as opposed to an induction coil passing over a magnet, respectively. Hence, Maxwell’s experiments, and his accompanying equations, show the presence of absolute space, and within that space a medium that is transmitting the forces. Interestingly enough, in reference to Maxwell’s equations, Lorentz said the following: “Briefly, everything occurs as if the Earth were at rest…” ( Lorentz’s 1886 paper, “On the Influence of the Earth’s Motion of Luminiferous Phenomena,” in Arthur Miller’s Albert Einstein’s Special Theory of Relativity, p. 20).
Arthur Eddington: “There was just one alternative; the Earth’s true velocity through space might happen to have been nil” ( The Nature of the Physical World, 1929, pp. 11, 8).
What in the world is this ( your concept of conspiracy )? Do you think that conspiracy is "just another topic" that the average morons can easily chat about in public - for example at the downtown café while clutching a cup of coffee during break? You cannot be serious. If you even hinted at being an advocate of a ( woldwide ) conspiracy you'll be branded a kook before your cappuccino cream fizzes. Anyone who had a chat knows that despite you being very delicate and non-confrontational about the conspiracy you are raising [ the heliocentric deception ], you'll still get nothing but invective. You know what that means? It means they have no arguments - that they can't even begin refuting any of your points, so instead they feign "authority" and pretend that it is "beneath them" to get down to your "level" and discuss the nitty-gritty of the HARD FACTS. Lack of response covered-up by smoke-and-mirrors of namecalling and invective. And that's all that counts here: the facts, just the facts. Benoit ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Any fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage - to move in the opposite direction." A.E.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Statement: He complains that historical revisionists are ignoring the religious issues, but I can understand why. The history of religions require studying material from an era when not much of anything was written down or recorded in any way, and there's lots of deception and secrecy with religions. Religions will be easier to investigate once the Jewish crime network has been destroyed. Eric Response: Eric is right about one thing, viz., it does require some serious study to find the real engine ( the Rabbinical one devoted to destroying Bible Christianity ) that has driven the Jews through the centuries. The chief problem with that argument is this: The work has been done. The evidence is impeccable, nicely condensed, and readily available. It fits God's plans written over 1900 years ago for dealing with the situation. The "called, chosen, and faithful to Jesus Christ" ( Rev. 17:14 ) are the "militia" that will expose all that needs exposing in a "truth blitzkrieg" that leaves all the bad Jews and their surrogates and all their plans "desolate and naked" ( v.16 ). I believe those who are sincere and ready to act could spend 10-20 hours with the evidence that is now laid out and see that the Achilles Heel of the entire Zionist show ( and all the "gentile" secret societies tied to it ) rests on their control of the NASA guided "Origins Program...to find our Cosmic Roots" and "prove" the Pharisee Religion's "creation scenario" of 15 billion years of evolutionism... which "proof" wipes out Bible credibility and gets rid of Jesus, the New Testament, and Heaven. The only real test for "truth seekers" is to determine if they are unwilling to discover that the Big Bang Paradigm of 15 billion years of evolutionism is demonstrably the work of the Christ-hating Pharisee Religion's control of the totally fraudulent theoretical science establishment. There is no stigma to believing in evolution; after all, there has been increasingly sophisticated indoctrination into that well disguised humungous Pharisee lie for centuries. The point is that anyone can now know that it is lie from the Father of Lies. If one doesn't want to know this...doesn't want to give up on evolution--extraterrestrials and all the rest--when they can know the truth--then they are duped members of the Pharisee Religion ( now promoted though Zionism ) and will either have to recant or openly join those they now call the enemy "one hour" ( Rev. 17:12; 2-3 months ) after the Global Government on the horizon is established. I will provide answers to any challenge to this argument. And Elijah came unto all the people, and said: "How long halt ye between two opinions? If the LORD be God, follow Him; but if Baal [ Satan ], then follow him...." ( II Kings 18:21 ) It's the same choice now: The "two opinions" today are: 1) Continued belief in and support of the Pharisee religion's "creation scenario" and its g'd of 15 billion years of evolutionism...knowing that it destroys the Christian Religion's six day "creation scenario" and the credibility of the Bible's God and the rest of the Bible through Jesus and His New Testament leading to eternal life on a New Earth. OR: 2) Acceptance of the evidence which proves every aspect of the Pharisee's "creation scenario" to be a factless fraud, and then overtly get on the side of revealed Truth and the God behind it all [ and begin to include and tie-in the facts - 9/11 et al - with the solution ] and watch the fur fly! Marshall Hall ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Statement: Mutual attraction between objects and the inverse square law for gravity are easily demonstrated in the lab with a torsion balance. Basic physics Response 1: Either way "basic" physics not only does not answer the gravitational anomalies but also does not tell you how gravity works at all ( push v pull ). Chalking up everything that does not fit to "anomalies" is hardly scientific evidence for the gravity of "basic" physics...... and if you don't know how gravity works you can't claim "basic" physics and certainly can't claim gravity as a validation for the HC ( heliocentric ) explanation for celestial mechanics when you don't even know what gravity is or how it works... and what's worse just ignore everything that does not fit your ideas and fool oneself into believing it demonstrates ones explanations...???... well sure it does... just ignore everything that does not fit and only focus on and consider the things that do fit. Never mind the fact that one does so only by assumptions... that is not science nor is it basic physics, that is called imagining things! Gravity is the "glue" but if you don't know how the glue works... i.e. push v pull and/or other variables...... to make an appeal to "basic" physics and gravity... is nothing more than a copout, hoping no one will notice! Allen Daves Response 2: Article published in the April 1976 issue of Nature ( Volume 260 ) by Long, on pages 417-418. Article title: "Experimental Examination of the Gravitational Inverse Square Law". Discrepancies in the value of the gravitational constant G were revealed to be as large as 0.37% ( a whopping anomoly of more than one part in three hundred ). This isn't a minor glitch in Newtonian theory, it's a nasty one. M.S. Statement 2: It doesn't matter much how gravity works. It is easily established that it does. How? Simple parallax and positional measurements, together with radial velocities ( and in more recent times bouncing radio signals off the planets ) have conclusively established how orbital motions and orbits work in the solar system. Case closed. Debate ended. Facts triumph. D.L.
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"We either love God or money and most of the Earth loves ...... money. And, since the children of the Devil control the money, they can (and do) buy off all and everyone." N.J. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "If the Earth rotated then the Centrifugal Force would cause people to weigh half as much on the equator than for example in Vancouver, Canada. The Centrifugal Force would affect the weight of objects on Earth greatly. We would be transporting gold and diamonds from the equator where they would weigh less and sell them up north ( or south ) for twice the price." Pawel Kolasa ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Statement: It is pointless trying to refute, argue, disprove or prove things that are not measurable, falsifiable, repeatable rock-solid facts. Mathematical logic-constructs such as multiple-dimensioned multiple universes, string theory etcetera can be absolute nonsense but actually work mathematically, e.g. if I have five oranges and you take away six of them then I'm left with minus one orange - which is nonsense. Jack Lewis Response: THAT IS THE BEST EXAMPLE illustrating the unreality of mathematical physics, I have ever seen offered. Philip Madsen
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Spiritual Battle for Control of the World
Over the last several years I have discovered that there is a spiritual battle taking place for control of the world. The battle is between God and Satan, the battle is taking place on this World through human beings, and the good and bad spiritual forces of good angels and bad demons influence peoples' minds to choose sides in each life situation or event. The bedrock of the evil matrix is Satan and his Demons, the foundation is The State ( "The Government" ) and the main support column is Zionist Phariseeism. It's the very same ideological group that killed Jesus, and the battle continues to this day. I used to think that the political leader of a country had the most power but now I have learned that they are just puppets and mid-level management organs taking their marching orders from the hierarchical financial elite above them. Their wars are also largely fought to kill huge numbers of Christians and believers in The Creator God. Germany was a nation of decent, high-acheiving God-fearing Christians so naturally the "zionist pharisees" decided to trash that nation, orchestrate the murder by one means or another of 6 million-plus German human-beings. Then they suppress that information but say 6 million jews were gassed and therefore they have so far collected $60 billion from Germany. What about the Armenian holocaust? Yep, Zionist Pharisees killing Christians again. The 911 WTC attacks really opened my eyes to the Zionist Pharisee plan for world control. It is so obvious that the "zionist pharisees" planned, prepared, orchestrated and executed that mass murder. There are 20 pieces of major evidence, 200 medium pieces and 2,000 minor pieces of evidence. Just one - the little round hole in the Pentagon, no jumbo plane parts, no bodies, no luggage, no video, FBI confiscation of surrounding video. The lead private independent journalist on this was Chris Bollyn and he has now been kidnapped by the zionist pharisees. He was exposing Israel and the zionist pharisee involvement in 911. The bad guys have taken over his website and are posting letters in his name. This is the start of bad things for American dissidents and truthtellers. See you in the Gulag soon because you'll be a prime target for those who want to imprison anti-Pharisee dissidents and Christians. Anti Pharisee --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You left out the last and most important part of what I said, which was... "by definition"... you should look up those terms and see how they relate to your arguments...... it is not an insult...... it is fact. Insults are subjective in nature but facts are scientific/objective in nature...... that description is the current state of the explanations of the issues and how those issues affect the overall debate of HC/AC vs GC. The only "addressing" of these issues you have even attempted has been with contradictions, incoherence, inconsistencies and/or mere assertions of "axioms" in your theories as to why your theories are correct...LOL. Let's be honest here, you guys have no intention of seriously dealing with the nitty-gritty of any of these issues. Making comments is not addressing the problems, inconsistencies and contradictions any more than a student or a politician who writes or gives a ten-page speech about "change" and how we can be better than this... in substance he states absolutely nothing and the dumb masses love him for it...... LOL ...... You and the rest of the heliocentricity crew have had plenty of time to demonstrate if your objective was to ascertain the most logical position between HC and GC based on observations and logical evaluations of data...... If that had truly been your aim then you would have to admit ( even if HC/AC were somehow true ) that GC is the only logical conclusion that anyone can claim to have arrived at without invoking pure imaginations to explain the results of ordinary ( and even extraordinary ) observations and experiments... you would have to admit the choice of HC/AC over GC is one of philosophical choice and not observational data... even Hawking, Hoel and others know this... you guys are only fooling yourselves... if I was the one that was wrong you wouldn't have had a problem demonstrating it by now, but come on guys... quoting the assertions of your theory as the evidence that supposedly demonstrates proof of your theory!?!? You guys talk about things, you talk around things... but you don't actually deal with the problems of your position, in fact I'm not sure if you even see the significance of them...... No, I think some prefer to ignore it and fool themselves into believing "nothing is wrong" with the HC/AC paradigm... folk like Allen Daves are just "unreasonable" and it's better to ignore those kinds of "attacks"... yea sure...... LOL ...... That's fine, fool yourself with whatever you like, but at the end of the day I'm not the one who has any such problems demonstrating my position objectively and without invoking my position as its own justification, which is an assumption which again is subjective...... At every opportunity you have had thus far you don't seem to be able to demonstrate anything that can be reproduced in the real world without assuming the real world is just an illusion first... and you can't even demonstrate something that would be evidentiary to support that assertion... nor can you guys make anything you have put forward fit in a consistent manner with the rest of MainStream Science theory......LOL...... You think you guys are "making sense"? No, you're making foolishness and then attempting to suggest and/or insist that it is all others who are not "being reasonable"... poor soul has had to wait "weeks if not months" for only five challenges......LOL......all I have asked is that you guys first start with and demonstrate some observation that you accept at face value without assuming anything is just an "illusion" and...... start from that and show us how you reached a logical conclusion that the Earth is indeed moving. However, you cannot put anything forward that: 1. Assumes the very thing or conclusion that you are trying to demonstrate ( engaging in endless circular fallacies ) 2. Does not contradict your arguments' ( i.e. relativity ) very own terms and/or constructs 3. Demonstrates a logical method and path for your conclusions 4. Makes your applications clear between subjective and objective observations and imaginations. Quit feeling sorry for yourselves by accusing this side of the very things you are and have attempted to engage in... procrastination, lack of civilized scientific discussion, etc. Speaking "softly" and/or with "gentle" words or however way you want to define a "civilized" scientific discussion does not make your baseless assertions and contradictions more humble or reasonable... it only makes you more "subtle" but still even more arrogant than your detractors and their positions that can in fact be demonstrated...lol... thus it ultimately, by definition, just makes you look more foolish... look it up. Just exactly when did you start believing that folk who hold a position with "soft" words and "subtle" phrases that can't even be demonstrated are more "civilized" than folk who simply refuse to let fools run the store?! If you are offended, well you should be, but not because what I said is subjective but because of what you have demonstrated in a very objectivly observed manner.......otherwise demonstrate my error but don’t accuse me of being "insulting" when I point out your error. The insult here thus far, is from foolish and ignorant arguments that suppose I am the one being "unreasonable"... if anyone has been "insulted" it would be me. And using soft-spoken words and playing the victim will not work with me... a fool that insists the doctor is foolish is not humble no matter how soft-spoken he is...... it is just foolishness...... wake up! Although you appear incapable of seeing your foolishness... I will engage you as long as you wish to do so... not because I think I will convince you but I'm more than comfortable letting posteritiy judge between the arguments you guys put forward vs the ones I put forward and deciding for itself which of the two was more "reasonable". 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Demonstrate your position with observations... but you cannot assume the very thing you are attempting to demonstrate... it is that simple! I completely understand that you don’t like the "phrases" that I keep using… You still don’t see the difference between imagination and observation do you?! The tides are not thought experiments they are observations… so is the Alias effect. Your "free fall" is not an observation it is an assumption about an inertial state that you are trying to demonstrate the concept of. "Free fall" as you use it is the very thing you are trying to prove... you cannot just assume it is there. Now what is the observation that shows us that falling to the Earth is the same as inertial neutrality... hint there is none... the fact that any and every acceleration that can be produced demonstrates a detectable effect even when objects begin to accelerate at gravity is not a thought experiment. That is a fact! It is reproducible and consistent every time! Your arguments about free fall can only be made by assuming the very things you are trying to demonstrate in the first place ( the ordinary and plain observation of inertial rest ) so as to convince folk that accelerations in "free fall" can't be detected... but the way you use "free fall" is itself the assumption of the very thing you are trying to prove... if there is no orbit then no free fall can exist!... You assume the very thing you are trying to demonstrate! Secondly, you don't seem to understand the difference between an observed event and the explanation for why that event occurred... The problem here is with your examples and how you use them. Please explain to us exactly which "two 1 kg lead spheres will be in front, behind, or on par with each other when passing perihelion" and how you know that as well as exactly how that proves why they behave that way? Again you cannot make your argument without assuming your idea of why gravity works the way that it does and why or how it is related to inertia... in fact you must assume that gravity and inertia are related period... that is what you are trying to demonstrate... you cannot first assume all those things in spite of observations to the contrary, to interpret the observations that supposedly validate that very thing you are attempting to demonstrate... it is called a circular fallacy... Accelerations cannot be detectable and not detectable at the same time wrt the same exact bodies... All the imaginations and explanations will never, ever make that contradiction disappear... if you want to show us how it is just an illusion then you must first demonstrate the observation that shows it to be an illusion, not first assume it is an illusion by which we interpret what we see... how can you be so self- contradictory and not see it... Your discussions are not based on any attempt to figure things out... you're only trying to justify why what you believe is not really "faith" and win an argument... and damn the observations... if I am wrong then you should have no problem demonstrating something without asking us to assume the very things you are trying to show us... what you put forward is quite simply neurotic, bipolar and schizoidfrantic... by definition. Allen Daves
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The Sacred Cow of 'Education' failed in teaching people to think for themselves without being told what to believe. Rather, it trained people to believe in 'science'. What this means is that if something is arbitrarily labeled as 'science' then nobody should question it... or else!" Pawel Kolasa ( Geocentrist )
"People feel threatened by different beliefs because they are afraid that THEIR OWN beliefs are incorrect. They are scared that they THEMSELVES are dumb and uneducated ( which is a true statement ). They are afraid that they are dumber than me ( which is also a true statement ). So, instead of analyzing arguments ( of which they are NOT capable ), they just threaten and ridicule." Pawel Kolasa ( Geocentrist ) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Requires an "alternate" theory from what?! What was the "orginal" based on? What observations demanded that the Earth wobble?... or that we needed something different than What-We-See-Is-What-We-Get?... The "alternate" theory is in fact HC not GC!!!... Again, how do you know all larger go around smaller?! I see the sun which as the rocketeers ( one who fires, pilots, or rides in a rocket )all agree is larger obviously going around me the smaller!... did you know that three of the computational specialists used in the Apollo program were Geocentrists?...so how did the rocketeers show the smaller always to go around the larger?... We are not "claiming a unique reality that goes against the norm" we are telling you that your "norm" is nothing more than a "statement of faith" by which you choose to interpret data in...You still don't see... your idea of norm was just the opposite for thousands of years... but it is also the reason you will never be able to prove anything... you just swallow the inconsistencies, logical contradictions and toss out the window any and all repeatable, demonstratable experiments that can be performed in favor of ideas that can only be imagined but never reproduced... and then call it science??!! I have for months now proven HC wrong... there is no acceleration of the Earth around the sun... all the "explanations" are completely contradictory and/or in opposition to any repeatable and demonstratable observations anywhere... but hey, if you want to believe that accelerations wrt to bodies both can and cannot be detected simultaneously wrt the same bodies at the same time... then go ahead... but know this: the pseudoscience here is with the HC/AC proponents not myself... I prefer what can be demonstrated in the lab not the logical contradictions of nonsense and fool myself into believing it is somehow more reasonable!? Allen Daves
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No, we are claiming your defintion of "norm" ( minor bodies orbit around the major bodies ) is an assumption that begs the question!... If the sun goes around the Earth then your "norm" would certainly not be the norm for all larger objects to go around smaller ones... that is the whole point to asking the question in the first place... if you just assume what the "norm" is... why ask the question to begin with?... You don't realise that you are doing nothing more than invoking assumptions as the foundation for your arguments... and what's worse your assumptions are the conclusions of your arguments... you are assuming that is the "norm" in the first place and then applying that assumption to your analysis of what you see... how do you know all larger go around smaller?!... I see the sun larger obviously going around me the smaller!... We are not "claiming a unique reality that goes against the norm." We are telling you that your "norm" is nothing more than a "statement of faith" by which you choose to interpret data. In fact, if you look out you see the sun and the planets all move around you and no detectable motions when all motions that are created can be detected and/or distinquished... that is the "norm"! You can't assume that is the "norm" because what constitutes the "norm" for the universe is the question that begs!!! Secondly...... the "norm" for all objects no matter how large is that they have a center... well what is the center of the universe?!... that is the question and the fact that smaller objects out in space orbit larger ones does not define the center of anything!... Come on! What is the "norm" and what observations do you base that on?!... you can't appeal to the "norm"... the "norm" was that the sun and stars all orbit the Earth for thousands of years it was as plain as the nose on your face... your version of "norm" is a Johnny-come-lately... Your idea of "norm" is not based on any objective defintion of "norm" but rather a Johnny-come-lately worldview that reinterprets what "the norm" is?! Allen Daves
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"Parallax is not just in one particular direction. It is this fact that favours Geocentrism for the motion then cannot be due to the Earth going around an orbit, but must be due to real motion of the individual stars and galaxies." Neville T. Jones, PhD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mach's Philosophy of Science: Ernst Mach developed a philosophy of science which was influential in the 19th and 20th centuries. Mach held that scientific laws are summaries of experimental events, constructed for the purpose of human comprehension of complex data. Thus scientific laws have more to do with the mind than with reality as it exists apart from the mind. These selections are taken from his essay The Economical Nature of Physical Inquiry: · The goal which it [ physical science ] has set itself is the simplest and most economical abstract expression of facts. · When the human mind, with its limited powers, attempts to mirror in itself the rich life of the world, of which it itself is only a small part, and which it can never hope to exhaust, it has every reason for proceeding economically. · In reality, the law always contains less than the fact itself, because it does not reproduce the fact as a whole but only in that aspect of it which is important for us, the rest being intentionally or from necessity omitted. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chalking things up to anomalies because they don't fit with your ideas is nothing more than performing evaluations based on your "faith" in what you think you already know. True science or rather facts evaluated in a logical famework demand that those "anomalies" alter your theories, particularly when the anomalies are reproducible and demonstratable but your theories are not without invoking your conclusions of the data in that data analysis! When science is unwilling to make those changes and for no more reason than it would "change the whole worldview" and at that in the same way that Galileo did, then "science" is no longer true science. When its ability to interpret data lie not in LOE ( logic, observation & experience ) but in simple stated philosophical reasons, then science becomes nothing more than pure religion. For anyone who doubts that religion plays a part in science must first ignore the fact that its conclusions are based on interpretations that are not reproducible in spite of observations to the contrary that are reproducible and second, have obviously never read Ernst Mach's "The Science of Mechanics" or even payed attention to the rants in "dogma" of "modern Science". It is a great mistake that is often touted as given but only merely assumed that scientific worldviews follow the observations and experience framed in logic. In fact the history of modern science clearly shows that although they make great pretense to such, just the opposite is the reality. It is and always was the changes in worldviews that preceded first. Later those changes in worldviews are what would and did force changes in interpretations and methodologies that brought about todays existing paradigms of the Sciences. Allen Daves ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Statement: The Moon goes around the World in both models approximately in the plane of the ecliptic. Hence the Moon's gravity should accelerate the World during part of its orbit and inhibit the World during that part of its orbit that is 180 degrees out of phase with the first. It should pull us toward the Sun and then away from the Sun. Would we feel any of this? Neville Jones, PhD Response 1: All of the accelerations that the Earth experiences should be detectable... that was the whole point demonstrating that MainstreamScience acceleration in free fall nonsense is just that... they have no explanation... the calculations for the acceleration around the sun were done already... to calculate the moon world is a bit more complicated... because the accelerations of all three bodies ( Earth, moon, sun ) must be taken into consideration... and any given acceleration will be different along the Earth/moon trajectory around the sun in the same way that the "tea cups" at your local amusment park whip harder or less so depending on where and when the accelerations compliment each other the most... sometimes the acceleration in one direction slightly cancels out the other... I would suggest however that any accelerations due to gravity that are significant to cause tidal actions are not just obviously detectable but the force required to create such tides if pulling would have to pull us out of our chairs. We can't just appeal to our size to make the effects disappear... the reason being is that centrifugal force is not just a theoretical effect... it can be reproduced and done so proportionally in objects such that we can proportionally measure the effects they have on other proportional masses... this is true regardless of what the actual cause of those forces is or is not. The forces themselves are reproducible in scale so theories are irrelevant. We can measure proportional centrifugal forces and effects. To oversimplify we could take say a spinning orbital space station or beach ball with water or even proportional air molecules placed on its surface... even in micro gravity... ( prediction: the water and air will have a hard time keeping up or even staying in contact with the Earth ). This is the reason that the average winds on "alien worlds" are so violent... they are on top of "normal atmospheric conditons, spinning with the planets and in motion wrt ( with respect to ) the aether. As I said before a proportional size sphere spun fast enough ( regardless of the actual cause of the force ) to reproduce tidal bulges will and would cause any "proportional sized" object ( i.e. human ) difficulty in keeping up with the body and even fly off into space... assuming a zero net electric charge wrt the two objects. So the whole argument about the size of a human wrt the tides and oceans is moot... all the actions are reproducible....and would show that the force needed to create proportional tides would significantly affect the attraction of the smaller proportional objects as well. In fact those objects would have a hard time keeping up with the spin at all no matter how long or how you attempt to balance the accelerations of the proportional masses with the spinning globe. This is yet another place where reproducible observation would not match MainStream Science theories at all. Response 2: The location of a or the "barycenter" of any mass is totally irrelevant for detection of accelerations? It produces tides for crying out loud... that are observable and detectable and it is ridiculous to suppose that the gravitational force or indeed any force necessary to move that much seawater is somehow hidden in obsurity... if the grav/acceleration force were too obscure to measure then it would be too obscure to create tides or anything else for that matter in the first place. I can't get over how you guys can so easily swallow plain and blatant logical contridictions... claiming something is there and not there at the same time... this explains nothing... certainly does not show it anymore reasonable than fairydust and gremlins! Allen Daves Response 3: I agree that to claim that the Moon's gravitational attraction causes the tides and yet does not lift us off our chairs does not make any sense. This gravitational force in the heliocentric system is apparently like having a steel cable attaching the Moon to the World. A steel cable 600 miles in diameter. The whole of the British Isles taken up with a steel cable. Sort of puts things into perspective. Another way to put things into perspective is to take a bucket and fill it with water. Now hold it at arms length. The bucket of water has quite a weight. Yet the Moon whizzes around about a quarter of a million miles above our heads and pulls up the entire Atlantic Ocean! And we feel...... nothing? Neville Jones, PhD
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- When you are in possesion of the truth it is OK to criticize those who reject it. Jack Lewis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wrong again, you and Mainstream Science have it backwards. What is not proven are all the explanations that deny Geocentrism even though, at face value, every demonstrable experiment and observation does in fact show the Earth at the center of the universe - and motionless. Mainstream Science has created imaginary explanations that are not proven or demonstrable and thus logically not valid... and then you have the gall to claim that the GC position is "tenuous"?! It is in fact the MS positions that should not be allowed if one is going to appeal to demonstrable observations and experiments framed in logic...it is that simple! It amazes me that you will accept logical contradictions without hesitation before you will accept the plain at-face-value demonstrable and observable facts, and worse you can't seem to even see that!? Allen Daves ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Enter now the "theistic evolution" compromise position. This concept accepts some g'd or other was involved in creating everything, but used billions of years of evolution to do it... Both the atheist position and the "theistic evolutionist" position depend upon acceptance of billions of years of evolutionism when accounting for all that exists. This means that--like the atheist--the "theistic evolutionist" must also rule out the Biblical God of Creation Who used no evolution and replace Him with some other "god/g'd/g-d" who used billions of years of evolution to create everything. Marshall Hall ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Most of the harm in the world is done by good people, and not by accident, lapse, or omission. It is the result of their deliberate actions, long persevered in, which they hold to be motivated by high ideals toward virtuous ends… [I]n periods when millions are slaughtered, when torture is practiced, starvation enforced, oppression made a policy, heliocentricity and evolution taught as science, as at present over a large part of the world, and as it has often been in the past, it must be at the behest of very many good people, and even by their direct action, for what they consider a worthy object." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Can you think of anything more unique among all the points inside a circle than the center of a circle? Hence, looking at other stars with planets revolving around them isn't going to prove anything, because there can only be one center of mass for the universe, and only one object could occupy that center of mass. Every other system you look at will be different. But of course, position is not the only way that the Earth is unique. It is also unique because it is the only body upon which life, in all its complexity, has been found, and I dare say, ever will be found. So if it's unique in life, it should also be unique in position, taking center stage in the saga of the universe. Yes, what we are claiming is quite audacious, but then again, that's what mankind believed for all of its existence until Copernicus came along and switched centers on us, yet his system didn't work any better than Ptolemy's or Brahe's. The fact is, even the honest heliocentrists admit that, even though it may be unique to have Earth in the center, it is possible and they cannot disprove it. GWW [ Galileo Was Wrong ] has quotes from them all saying so. Hubble saw it in his telescope and said it would be an "intolerable" and "horrible" fact for him to accept, and sought for another alternative. Einstein saw it in the interferometers and refused to allow it, opting instead for changing the face of physics for his own choice of cosmologies. Even Newton, the one who told us about the center of mass, admitted it. So despite your fear, we have science on our side.
Robert Sungenis
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Question: Why is it an illusion? Why isn't it just a matter of perspective? Both are equally real - they just depend on where you watch from. RT Answer: You are mathematically correct, I did say reference frames were a mathematical tool, unrelated to reality. I find it strange that you consider two different perspectives as equal reality. There can only be one truth. Perspective is an illusion, unless you already agree with our proposition that the sun moves across the sky of a stationary Earth! Regarding the travelling ball: both cannot be equally real with respect to the ball itself which I am discussing. What is the ball in truth and reality doing? That's real science. But perspectives could be equally illusions, to the observer on the plane or the alleged stationary observer outside the plane. Unless we could establish an absolute stationary point, ( which Geocentrism does ) then we must assume all the different observations are illusions and appearances - i.e. "relative". But in the jet plane I know the two foot drop in a straight line is an illusion, because with my intellect I know that I and the ball are travelling at 600 miles per hour. That much I know. These are the only motions to consider for the Geocentrist, but for the heliocentrist there is no end, even at galactic motion...... What is the galaxy motion referenced to? etc, etc, etc...
Philip Madsen
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "It's also possible that all 'scientists' that promote the heliocentric idea are selling out because they want money so badly. There are lots of people who will do almost anything for money." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Statement: "Very few of us -- even those, such as myself, who have taken a degree in astronomy -- are able to understand what is being discussed in the modern heliocentric literature on cosmology -- except, perhaps, that such arcane subjects are way beyond our ken. But while we may not be able to understand much about this material, there is one feature of it that we CAN understand, to wit, that such subjects are not well-grasped by even the professionals in the field. I say this because here we have a small collection of professionals who are checking out a mathematical proof, but are not really certain of its correctness, and thus can only claim that the result is correct on the basis that other professionals have checked it, too. We see here then a clear limit of even very able human minds -- that we cannot be sure of ourselves unless we have had others to check what we Response: Yes, you're right and this shows us a problem that many people don't even realize exists or certainly do not fully appreciate the scope of...... the biologist needs time, and turns to the astronomers who tell them...... oh yea there is plenty of time out there for all that......we can see at least 15 billion years...... while the astronomer/cosmologist based his assertion on the physicist who told him that the mechanics of the universe show us that the universe is so "bizarre" we dare not believe what our senses tell us...... but all in all that physicist can feel comfortable with his conclusions coz, after all, he knew even from K-12/HS biology that man evolved after billions of years of evolutionary life !?...... No wonder they can't see their own fallacies. It is built not just on their lifetimes but a series of lifetimes and so many various fields, that almost nobody can see or really even knows what the problems with the other disciplines are...... You almost have to master all the disciplines to see your way clear of the clutter of logical contradictions and endless circular fallacies built one atop of another over a period of years. Allen Daves ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "It may be true that there's not much money in astronomy, BUT I take issue that astronomers don't yield economic clout. Cornell's Harlow Shapley threatened Velikovsky's publisher with the loss of all their textbook business if they didn't kill "Worlds in Collision" and yank it off the presses. The shabby treatment accorded Velikovsky, up through and including his encounter with the American Academy for the Advancement of Science, is well-known and is a blot on academic freedom. I'm no Velikovskian, by any stretch, but the treatment he received at Shapley's hands was brutal. Velikovsky, ever the gentleman, seemed a saint in comparison to his fuming interlocutors. Further to this, perhaps you could explain why Dr. Halton Arp was thrown off the Palomar telescope? At the time, he was the world's expert in the use of that amazing instrument, recent recipient of the Humboldt Senior Scientist prize, etc. Or was his challenge of the red shift question regarding quasars simply unacceptable and thus the hammer was lowered on this scientist for doing "the wrong research" ( viz., research that stood in opposition to the cosmogonies entrenched in the textbooks )? Unless you discount Dr. Arp's eyewitness account and that of his associates, there really isn't any dispute as to what happened here. You speak of the passions of astronomers. There were passions aplenty exhibited in the above two examples -- and those passions didn't reflect well on the astronomers involved, dear Regner. In other words, let's not over-generalize in favor of astronomers. The exceptions are stark and ugly and stand out as warnings to others to watch their step. I could multiply further examples but these two are blatant." Martin Selbrede ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Question: If a scientist says to you, "There is no such thing as time", then reply to him, "Then why do you have a watch on your wrist"? Or, "Then why do people wear watches"? Answer: Because, being three dimensional, and not four, we would have no idea of the exact position on the time line we were. But before I rest let me say I did not say there was no time. I promoted the Biblical idea of tempus or time as temporary - having a beginning and an end. It is this that watches measure, the real movement along a dimension we only subjectively appreciate or feel - i.e. a minute feels like an hour( in pain ) or the reverse when enjoying oneself. Now God has eternity which is above our miserable three dimensional experience. God ( and we as souls ) is a four dimensional being. He sees our temporary time as a fixed dimension of a four dimensional created object. He sees it from what we call beginning to end, or the reverse if He so wishes. I am certain that when we are separated from these limiting bodies our soul will see it in the same manner, and wonder! See all our sins at once, as they burden our Redeemer on the cross. Yes we will see the Execution in glorious 4D colour. Hence the New Earth with a NEW resurrected body that is complete and able to appreciate eternity, which I may for fun sake call real time.... Philip Madsen ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "America has a lot of college and university science graduates, but most of them are of no value. American colleges and universities are giving science degrees to almost anybody that has money." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Organized Theoretical-Science Crime Gangs are operating freely all over the world because humans are just like the animals who hide from danger. It would be very easy for the Americans and Europeans to get rid of the Theoretical-Science Crime Network, and it would be easy for the Japanese to get rid of their Organized Theoretical-Science Gangs, and the Chinese could easily get rid of their Theoretical-Science Gangs. All we need are some men who can face the Theoretical-Science Criminals instead of hiding from them like a frightened animal." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Trying to enlighten people to the truth, that this unbelievable hoax has been pulled off against mankind, won't be met with much respect. In fact, prepare to be considered a lunatic. All I can say is, who cares? The truth is the truth, and the reality is that we've all bit the big one on this. God told us in the Revelation that an angel would appear and make a declaration to all mankind that they should worship the One who made the Heavens and the Earth. ( Revelation 14:7 ) He appears right before the angel that announces the fall of Babylon the Great. It's right about the time that Babylon goes down that God will let mankind know what a rotating Earth is like when he rocks the world to its foundations. It would all go down together: Everything from the moon-landing hoax to the Cold War Hoax to the Holocaust to create Israel hoax, the whole Illuminati/Jesuit flim-flam of mankind. On that day all those who are knowing their God will be rewarded richly for their faithfulness and for waiting on Him." more HERE. Statement/Question - I was thinking how great the Internet is. There isn't a thing that I need to know that I cannot find. "But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat. For in what day soever thou shalt eat of it, thou shalt die the death. Sounds like the Internet doesn't it? A tree of knowledge... a dangerous place, of course. But why was it forbidden, given the good was also there? P.M. Response - The way I see it, like an innocent child, or like an animal, we didn't know good, or evil, we just did good, not out of knowing it and therefore chosing to do it, but doing good automatically, like it was programmed into us, so we couldn't help to do good, didn't even have to know it or think about it. Why the tree was there was in order than man could have the choice to worship and obey God out of choice. If there was no choice God would never have the Joy of experiencing our voluntary Love. It was forbidden as God knew we would do evil if we knew evil, but by it being forbidden, it was the one item that could demonstrate man's acceptance of God's rule over us. If nothing was forbidden, there would be no way to demonstrate our rejection of him. Satan however raised a challenge - that God didn't have the right to rule man, and also he wanted the worship for himself, so he persuaded man to eat from the tree, therefore no longer automatically doing and being good, but now knowing good and bad, we now have to make our own choices of doing good or bad, governing our own actions and rejecting Gods sovereignty over us. As Satan said, we can become like God, knowing good and bad, trouble is, we havn't got the moral strength of God to chose good over bad, which is why we need His Dominion over us, for him to chose what is good for us. Some people might think it's good to be free to make our own decisions, they might still want to reject Gods coming Kingdom. To Satan though, and the heavenly hosts and to the majority of suffering mankind, it has been plainly demonstrated that it is not in man's best interest to reject God's sovereignty over us and rule ourselves. As for the internet, find out what you can whilst you can, it is a serious threat to the Ruling Elite who depend on our ignorance to steer us with their lying propaganda. There are rumours about a government-controlled "Internet 2" on its way. You can bet they will blame "terrorism" on why they need to control our freedom of information. Pete Charlton ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Science Falsely So Called" Roams the Universities Unimpeded By Facts: MH
 News item: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article3760832.ece "The voice of Neanderthal Man has been synthesized 30,000 years after the human relatives became extinct. Scientists in the US have used a reconstruction of the larynx of Homo neanderthalis and computer models to mimic the way that the species probably spoke. Only one sound - the "e" - has been generated so far, which seems strangulated and nasal in comparison with its human equivalent. Robert McCarthy, of Florida Atlantic University, who is leading the research, said that he hoped eventually to produce an entire sentence." Responses: "Isn't this just a form of Witchcraft or Magic?"
"Isn't it strange how without any flesh or hair samples the artistic ability of the illustrators is let loose and the skin tone and hair colour are portrayed?" I.C.
"They find one little bone fragment, and from that they fantasize an entire species, including what it looks like and how it lives. Their arrogance is what caused that Piltdown Man fiasco. I saw an article in which a scientist was saying that he thinks the Piltdown man was the result of deliberate sabotage. One scientist made a piece of bone look rather old and then buried it where another scientist was digging for bones, and when that other scientist found it, he created Piltdown Man theory, and then many years later they realized that it was a fraud. But the original scientists involved were dead, so nobody was sure who created a hoax and why." E.H.
"This is just another example of MainStream Science's waste of resources. It's part of MS's campaign to brainwash the populace into totally accepting evolution and the removal of a need for God." Jack Lewis
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- "... it must be understood that the origin of Zionism is to be found in Rabbi Ben Nachman's 13th century writings in the Kabbala, which is contained in the Zohar, and is a spiritual ally of the Christ-hating Talmud. These are "holy books" from a "religion" which is devoted to the destruction of the Bible in general and the New Testament of Jesus Christ in particular. Like it or not, this is what the hard facts say. Those facts declare that this is a war which, at bottom, is a fight to the finish between the teachings of the Kabbala/Talmud and the precise opposite teachings of Jesus." - "...Historical Revisionists seem totally committed to ignoring this spiritual raison d'etre behind Zionist efforts and successes. "Let's leave 'religion' entirely out of this", seems to be the Revisionist motto. Why an altruistic devotion to revealing deception and discovering Truth must stop at 'religion'--the very place where it must begin in order to succeed--I leave for others to answer. All I know is this: The secular, "leave 'religion' out of it" approach is capable of taking important Truths to first or second base, but that approach will never bring them across home plate. Shall Truth's runners be forever held on the bases while the opposition repeatedly scores?" - "... the biggest Truth Bomb of all, that the mission the Zionists are fulfilling is spiritual, not secular; that the false science being used to complete that mission is set forth in ancient Jewish holy books ( Kabbala/Talmud ), and that the stated goal of this spiritual warfare is the destruction of New Testament Christianity." -"Truth seeking Revisionists need to ask themselves this question: 'If I believe the universe and all life forms including mankind came to be as the Zionist Kabbala describes ( Big Bang; Expanding Universe; Relativity; 15 billion years; evolutionism... ) am I unwittingly aligned spiritually with that which I know is the key player in the very deceptions I labor to expose?'" Marshall Hall ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "1) How does a ball and feather drop prove gravitational theory and demonstrate that with planetary mechanics? 2) Even Mainstream Science openly admits the inverse square law breaks down and is not absolute. 3) The fact that it breaks down so much so that they have to create 90% of their universal model built with "dark matter" and "dark energy" that is ownly knowable by virtue of the fact that their model would not work without it. 4) We are not discussing a ball and feather, we are discussing how gravity works not just on the small scale but large scale with planets and suns ect.....All bodies and a universe all interacting at once with each other."
Allen Daves
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Question: "I was wondering what you thought about the co-incidence of the rotating axis pointing directly at Earth, and also the way the star has kept the same relationship to Earth in order to take an 8 year time lapse picture, and how it might possibly relate to Geocentrism?" P.C. Answer: "Well, according to some people, since the distance is so far away the angle of the rotational axis never changes noticeably...choke choke. Funny is it not......astromomers can in fact find distant planets orbiting distant suns and stars by virtue of those stars' wobble as demonstrated in the Doppler shift of the light coming from all those distant stars, but we cannot seem to show or find the synchronized Doppler shift to account for the Earth's annual orbital motion with respect to all those stars. The fact that no such Doppler shift exists speaks volumes concerning the absence of any such motion ( Geocentric universe wobble OR heliocentric/acentric universe annual Earth orbit )." Allen Daves
Hollywood’s “E.T”, “Jurassic Puke”, and ten thousand other extraterrestrial evolution-indoctrinating flicks, books, and TV programs have done their job. People’s brains have been carpet-bombed increasingly with the evolution mantra 24/7 for 40-50 years. When the unrelenting computer-generated Virtual Reality Fraud from Sagan and Goldin’s control of NASA’S “Origins Program” is factored in, we have a world mesmerized and seduced into believing a DECEPTION of supernatural proportions and consequences. Marshall Hall More: http://www.fixedearth.com/Opiate.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Please can you tell us the technique used that they can so accurately tell the difference between 7.5 Billion and 7.5 million light years distance? It's a bit like measuring something and saying it is at infinity, and saying something else is twice infinity. I am confused by the fact that if I can have infinity from now to the future, and I know I can have infinity from now backwards in the past, isn't that all up twice as long...grin...or maybe it's only half an infinity each way? Two nights ago, 'astronomers observed a cosmic explosion so intense it was visible to the naked eye from a distance of 7.5 billion light years'." Philip Madsen ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Satan is very real. His business is deception. The more his deceptions seem to be Biblical, the better they are, the more people they fool, and the harder it is to get those who are fooled to even consider that they are following or their church is following a Satanic deception rather than God's Truth. After all, if a person has for several years or even throughout his or her whole life embraced heliocentricity or some other belief that is threatened, it is tempting to just ignore the challenge and hope it will go away. But this hope is futile. God knows all our thoughts. He knows if we let false pride [ self-conceit ] prevent us from following His Truth of Geocentrism, and He knows if we let it convince us to follow Satan's heliocentricity deception instead. He knows. And if we think we can outsmart God about Geocentrism or any other area, we are mistaken. Moreover, His judgement is real. He is going to judge everybody on their works, their faith, and their obedience. And for certain God is going to judge us on the basis of our love for His truth. Jesus is Truth. The Word of God is Truth. The Holy Spirit is truth. God cannot lie. If we are to be God's children for eternity in Heaven we must show him that we will welcome His Truth and reject any lie no matter how hard on us it may seem to be. If we don't love God enough and desire Heaven enough to turn away from any lie that we have followed ( innocently ) when we find out it is a lie, then God cannot be and will not be our Father. Satan is the father of lies, not God. No lie is of the Truth. We cannot knowingly follow lies like heliocentricity and expect to go to Heaven. The Bible ( the Truth ) says that "those who receive not a love of the Truth will perish". It says we must rejoice in the Truth. And why not?! If we love the Truth we can have eternal life. Isn't that reason to rejoice?!" Marshall Hall ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Two cosmological models of the universe exist. Both are based upon the irreconcilable views of Geocentrism or heliocentricity. Neither is secular, i.e., both are religious. Admittedly, scientists in the aggregate don't know this yet, but it is indisputably true, and they are going to know it if there is a God of Truth who wrote the Book which repeatedly affirms Geocentrism and repudiates heliocentricity. The sooner, the better for scientists and non-scientists alike who want the Truth of the matter, regardless of what follows." Marshall Hall "The sun and the stars are moving with the aether, so there is virtually no inertial reaction. And thus we can have none of this argument or matter of the sun and stars exceeding light speed as they rotate around us, or having this enormous centrifugal force outwards because, with respect to and relative to the aether, they are NOT moving." Philip Madsen --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Statement: "Perhaps you have forgotten, allow me to refresh your memory: "Religion 4. human recognition of superhuman controlling power and especially of a personal God entitled to obedience, effect of such recognition on conduct and mental attitude." I did not previously ask you personally but I do so here. Please explain in your own words - 1. What is the name of the God of science? 2. In what matters does this God demand obedience?" Answer (1): 1. Everyone has a God/god; either himself, Jim Jones, Satan, The State, impersonal evolutionary forces, or The Creator God of the Christian Holy Bible. The name of the God of True Science is "Jehovah God" or "Father God". The name of the god of false science is Lucifer. 2. "In what matters does this God demand obedience?" I would have to write a book, and I'm not going to do that for you. How about commandment eight, "Thou shalt not steal"? So don't steal food from Safeway Grocery Store and then eat it. But earn your own money, or raise it voluntarily and then go buy some food and then eat it and satisfy your stomach. Likewise don't steal money to buy a telescope or Space Shuttle or particle accelerator. But earn your own money, or raise it voluntarily and then go buy some telescopes and then look through it to satisfy your eyes. You see? I have just solved the whole Geocentrism versus heliocentricity debate, there is no other answer, this is the only answer. It is The Enormous Purple Dinosaur in the backyard that everyone refuses to acknowledge and no one is allowed to talk about. By all means believe in heliocentrism, Geocentrism, flat Earth, concave Earth or anything else, but do not ask "The State" to steal ( tax ) a median income father and then give it to some other people who are curious about the sky. Because you know what? For all I know the Earth could be flat, everyone who has not PERSONALLY seen the Earth from a spaceship HAS TO agree with that, nobody is allowed to disagree, it is "illegal" to disagree with that statement. And I only mean 100.0000 per cent sure. It is OK to be 99% sure that the Earth is not flat. But even all that is irrelevant to the moral ( stealing ) question of, "If you want to find out Then Use Your Own ( or VOLUNTARILY RAISED ) Satan-Darned Money". Also see "Not Yours to Give" by Colonel Davy Crockett HERE. BB Answer (2): The g'd of theoretical science is the Pharisee Religion's g'd. Anyone can read of each and every concept that makes up an evolution-based "creation scenario" that has become today's textbook cosmology and find them in ancient Rabbinic writings in the Zohar/Kabbala. It's a religion; it has a g'd. You tell me who it is or isn't? There is nothing "secular" about the "theoretical science" the world believes is really secular with no religious affiliation. Marshall Hall ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gravity is Push, not Pull Man's misconception about the nature of gravity is a damning judgement on the nature of the intellect and its complete inability to lift itself higher. Everything has to absolutely originate from the Earth with no thought given to the possibility that the origin of all things actually comes from above. Hence we have conceptions like the gravitational attraction of the Earth and also of the individual planets. Since the intellect has its origin from the Earth, it is therefore not surprising that it places everything that it tries to investigate on its own level and ascribes the origin of all things to the Earth. It is science that is to blame for all this and not the intellect, or rather the scientists who attempt to investigate the natural world with a tool that is in no wise endowed with the capacity to do so. How could gravity arise from the Earth? How could each planetary body have its own gravitational force or attraction? The simplicity in Creation precludes such theories. How could the Earth or the other planets for that matter be the origin for anything? These lie on the lowest plane in the entire Creation and naturally speaking and when looked out logically, it becomes clear that whatever lies at the bottom of a strata can never give origin to something that permeates the whole hence something as fundamental and important as gravity. The word "gravity" itself denotes something that comes from above, a power that comes from above the Earthly which in the first place gives origin to the strata or stratification of the entire Creation. It automatically accounts for the layering of all the structures in Creation depending on their weights. Since it is a power that comes from above, it permeates everything. It is a Law of Creation. There is no place in Creation where its effect will not be found and it is this observation of its pervasiveness that science has erroneously interpreted by saying that every single planetary body has its own gravitational attraction because it looks at things only from its own perspective which is narrow and earthly with the Earth always at the centre of all happenings. It never occurs to the intellect and hence to science that the actual reason and the origin for the effects it has observed lie far above the material world. Now since the effect of gravity is to be found in all things then it must be a law. Its all pervasiveness and regularity cannot but make us conclude that this effect is indeed the result of a law which permits of no deviation. We all know the characteristics of a 'law'. It is something that is enshrined and which may not be tampered with or ignored without consequences. Now since we are all agreed that this effect of gravity must be a law and since this law was not one of the man-made ones, where then did it come from? It is as if this effect of gravity is just there, has always been there as something natural and as something we have come to regard as natural and have thereby taken for granted. Everyone knows it, even every child. Since we all regard it as something natural, then it must be a law of Nature, since Nature is natural. It is therefore one of the natural laws which cannot be shifted and which never changes. Since it never changes, we must conclude that it is perfect since immutability is a characteristic of perfection. Since it is a natural law - the Law of Gravitation - and since all natural laws come from God, and since God lies far above the Creations, then this effect of gravity comes from far above. It comes from God. God is the Power behind gravity. Gravity is therefore much more than we think. Its all-pervading nature should have raised our suspicions, since only the Power from God is all-pervading. Gravity is therefore a Divine Law in Creation which permeates everything and is immutable, perfect and just. Its effect is responsible for the division of Creation into layers depending on their weights, whereby we have the spiritual parts of Creation lying higher and closer to God because they are lighter and the material parts of Creation lying lower because these are heavier and as such must be placed far away from God. We all therefore must rethink gravity. Our fates depend on it since at our earthly death it also determines which realm we find ourselves, depending on our spiritual weights. If while on Earth we had always regarded the things of the Earth as of paramount importance, then our spiritual weights will be more, but if on the other hand we had already started to strive after the spiritual and the noble, then our spiritual weights will be less and we will be attracted to realms which correspond to our weights, lighter and more luminous. Let us begin today with that volition and pray to the Lord that we be given the strength to do so. Amen. http://www.kisol.com/science/gravity.htm
Response: Different approach to questioning gravity. All such questioning is useful because if one carries it out logically two things will happen, I believe: a) One will see the inescapable Creation Concept in it, as this writer does; or b) One will run into the electromagnetic concept--which is almost infinitely stronger physically--and will move toward an Electric Universe understanding of how it all works...a concept that can readily accommodate the present Biblical cosmos which is just a temporary testing ground for the real thing...the eternal New Earth. The problem with (a) is that while it may lead toward a spiritual appreciation of everything, it can just as well be some version of dancing around a fire and rattling beads in a coconut as getting a real grasp on the Biblical God's Plan. Marshall Hall --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Statement: "I got bored, so I just thought I'd mention that the entire cause of the weather patterns and ocean currents on the Earth ( i.e. cyclones and anti-cyclones, jet stream, gulf stream etc. ) is due to it's rotation. You'll also find that Naval gunners have to allow for this annoying little FACT called the coriolis force, also due to the Earth's spin. With no respect whatsoever could I suggest that people who ignore science in favour of religious twaddle and then think they can force it down other people's throats are weak-minded simpletons." Rob Response: He obviously does not comprehend "Mach's Principle". If he did he would not appeal to descriptions of effects of "forces" he does not even begin to grasp for explanations that troubled even Einstein and crew. It is ironic when folk who claim to be educated "people of science" make these kinds of statements - the "simpletons" if any are folks like this. They neither understand what does or what does not constitute proof nor are they even aware that their examples of "evidence for science" are based on assumptions that make far more logical and demonstrable sense in a Geocentric Universe. Like so many people they don't know what they are talking about ( although they are clearly indoctrinated properly into the "Copernican Faith" ) yet they want to ridicule others not only for something they themselves engage in but also for things they don't even begin to grasp. Allen Daves ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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