Charles Finney a true prophet?
Freemasonry
Prior to his conversion, he was a
Freemason, but became a staunch opponent of Masonry, and wrote an
extensive book attacking it, entitled The Character, Claims, and Practical
Workings of Freemasonry.
Life
Born
in Warren, Connecticut, Finney was the youngest of fifteen children. The son of
farmers, Finney never attended college, but his six foot three inch stature,
piercing eyes, musical skill, and leadership abilities gained him recognition
in his community. He studied as an apprentice to become a lawyer, but after a
dramatic conversion experience and baptism into the Holy Spirit in Adams, New
York, he resigned from all of his duties at his law office to attend to his
calling to preach the gospel. At the age of 29 under George Washington Gale,
Finney studied to become and eventually became a
licensed minister in the Presbyterian Church, though he then had and
would continue to have many misgivings about the fundamental doctrines taught
in that denomination.
Theology
Finney was a primary influence on the "revival" style of theology
which emerged in the 19th century. Though coming from a
Calvinistic background, Finney rejected tenets of "Old
Divinity" Calvinism which he felt were unbiblical and counter to evangelism
and Christian mission.
In his Systematic Theology, Finney remarks that "I have felt
greater hesitancy in forming and expressing my views upon this Perseverance of the saints, than upon almost any other
question in theology."
In “THE
WESTMINSTER CONFESSION OF FAITH” CHAPTER XVII
Of the Perseverance of the Saints
It says…
“I.
They, whom God hath accepted in his Beloved, effectually called, and sanctified
by his
Spirit,
can neither totally nor finally fall away from the state of grace,
but shall certainly
persevere
therein to the end, and be eternally saved.
III.
Nevertheless, they may, through the temptations of
Satan and of the world, the prevalency of corruption remaining in them, and the
neglect of the means of their preservation, fall into grievous
sins; and, for a time, continue therein: whereby they incur
God’s displeasure, and grieve
his Holy Spirit, come to be deprived of
some measure of their graces and comforts, have their hearts
hardened, and their consciences wounded; hurt
and scandalize others, and bring temporal judgments upon
themselves.”
Meaning that, like David, One can Fall into Adultery,
Murder, and not loose their salvation as long as he returned to the lord that
would prove he was always saved, this is not what the Bible teaches and the twisting
of scriptures are evident by Finney’s interpretation.
Example (Finney says)….
“(2.) It is said that David did not persevere in
obedience in the sense that obedience was his rule, and sin only the exception. To this I reply,
[1.] That it is not pretended that there is any doubt respecting the final
salvation of David, king of Israel.
[2.] That David did not persevere in the sense above
defined wants proof. His Psalms, together with his whole history, show
that he was a highly spiritual man. He was an eminent type of Christ, and for a
man in his circumstances was a remarkable saint. To be sure David practiced polygamy, and did
many things (Adultery, Murder) that in
us, under the light of the gospel, would be sin.
But it should be considered that David lived under a dispensation
of comparative obscurity, and therefore many
things which would now be unlawful and sinful, were not so in him. That
David, with comparatively few exceptions, lived up to the light he had, can not
be reasonably called in question. He is said to have been a man after God's own
heart. I know this is said of him as a king, but I know also that as king this
could not have been said of him unless he had feared and served the Lord, and
in the main lived up to the light with which he was surrounded.”
David
committed Adultery and Murder; both are punishable under the law…
“Lev 24:17 and he that killeth any
man shall surely be put to death.”
“Lev 20:10 and the man that
committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery
with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put
to death.”
Finney knows
this; why else would David need to repent?
Finney says…
“In
examining the class of passages adduced to prove that some real saints have
fallen front grace and been lost, I am only concerned to show that they do by
fair construction necessitate this conclusion. I
may admit that if the doctrine of perseverance were not, or shall not upon
examination be found to be clearly taught in the bible, the not unnatural
construction of some of the class of texts in question might lead to the
conclusion that some, yea many, real saints have been lost.”
See this is the result of having a predisposition of the
lie; the result is that the scriptures MUST mean something else.
Finney says…
“With these remarks, I proceed to the examination of 2 Peter 2:9--22:
“The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to
reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished: But chiefly them
that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government.
Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of
dignities. Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not
railing accusation against them before the Lord. But these, as natural brute
beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they
understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption; And shall
receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in
the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own
deceivings while they feast with you; Having eyes full of adultery, and that
cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised
with covetous practices; cursed children: Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray,
following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of
unrighteousness; But was rebuked for his iniquity:
the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet. These
are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the
mist of darkness is reserved for ever. For when they speak great swelling words
of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh,
through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped
from them who live in error. While they promise
them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in
bondage. For if after they have escaped the
pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus
Christ, they are again entangled therein,
and overcome, the latter end is worse with them
than the beginning. For it had been better for them not
to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it,
to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto
them according to the true proverb, the dog is turned
to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire. 2pe 2:9-22”
Finney comments…
“Now observe, the apostle calls the persons of whom he speaks "wells
without water: clouds that are carried with a tempest;" that is, without
rain. His whole description of them shows that he is speaking of false
professors or hypocrites. But it is inferred that they
are fallen saints, because it is said they have "forsaken the right way,
and are gone astray after the error of Balaam, &c." But this does not necessarily imply that they were in
heart ever in the right way, but that they have forsaken
the right way so far as the outward life is concerned, in which respect
they had doubtless been in the right way or they would not have been admitted
to membership in the church.
But it is said of these false professors that
"they allure through lust and much wantonness those who were clean escaped from those who live in error."
But neither does this necessitate the conclusion that
they had escaped in heart from those that lived in error, but merely
that they had for the time being outwardly abandoned
their idolatrous practices and companions and had made a profession and put on the form of Christianity.
But it is also said, verses 20--22, “For if after they have escaped the
pollutions of the world, through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus
Christ, they are entangled therein and overcome, the latter end is worse than
the beginning. 21. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of
righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy
commandment delivered unto them. 22. But it is happened unto them according to
the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and, The sow that
was washed, to her wallowing in the mire.”
Neither does this necessitate the conclusion that
they had in heart escaped from the pollutions that are in the world, but
merely that they had outwardly reformed. What is
said in the last verse seems to favor this construction. Verse 22, "But it
is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his
own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire. That
is, the dog has returned to his vomit, because he
remains a dog and is not changed, and the sow that is washed to her
wallowing in the mire, because she is still a sow, and
her washing has not changed her nature. So, the apostle would say. by
returning to their former ways do the persons in question show they have
experienced no radical change, but on the contrary that
they are only like a washed sow, sinners still who have been only outwardly
cleansed, while within they are same as ever. This appears to me to be all that
can fairly be made out of this passage.”
Finney claims they where never saved, he has
to claim this because the doctrine of “perseverance of the saints” it is a
Calvinistic doctrine and one can never loose their salvation once they are
saved. The Dogs vomit represents Sin, and the mire represents Sin. Both are a
picture of how one is cleansed on the inside and outside when one dies with
Christ in repentance and a picture of what happens when one returns to the
world. Finney knows this but must hold to his doctrine, that’s why he said "I
have felt greater hesitancy in forming and expressing my views upon this Perseverance of the saints, than upon almost any other
question in theology."
Finney says…
“I will now attend to 1 Tim. 1:19, 20: "Holding faith and a good
conscience, which some having put away, concerning faith
have made shipwreck. Of whom is Hymeneus and Alexander, whom I have
delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme."
Of this text I may say, that the apostle was writing to Timothy as an eminent
religious teacher, and was giving him cautions respecting his influence in that
relation. Hymeneus and Alexander, as we may infer from this, and which
is still more plainly taught in other passages, were
religious teachers who had cast off or perverted the true faith or doctrine of
the gospel, and thus made shipwreck. They had put away faith and a good
conscience, and by so doing had made shipwreck of the true gospel. This passage does not teach that these men were true Christians,
nor does it necessarily imply that any had been true saints who had gone with
them. The expression "some having put away," does not necessarily imply that they once had true faith and
a good conscience, but only that they taught that which was inconsistent
with either; or it may mean that they had rejected or refused both faith and a good conscience:
that they practised and taught things inconsistent with either true faith, or
with the true gospel, or with a good conscience, and had therefore run upon a
rock and wrecked their souls and the souls of those who followed them. But this proves nothing in respect to their ever having real
saints.
The apostle was speaking in popular
language, and represented things as they appeared to the observer. Thus we
should speak of spurious converts. It certainly does not appear to me that this
passage would, without forced construction warrant the
conclusion that some real saints had been lost even apart from those passages
that, we shall see, seem unequivocally to teach the doctrine. Much less,
when those passages are considered, are we, as I think we shall see, authorized
so to construe this passage as to make it either contradict them or to necessitate
such a modification of their construction as is contended for by those who deny
the doctrine in question. If the doctrine in question
is not really taught in the bible, we certainly should not believe it;
but if it is, we must nor lightly reject it. We need
candidly to weigh each passage, and to understand if we can just what is
the mind of God as therein revealed.”
How could a fake Christian shipwreck their
fake faith? Finney knows this he’s holding to the Lie more so then to the
scriptures, how can you shipwreck your faith without ever having faith? Paul
knows that it’s a fight and one he fought to the end…
2tim 4:7 I have
fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:
Finney says…
“The case of Judas has been relied upon as an
instance of utter apostacy and of consequent destruction. It is said
that in the Psalms Judas is spoken of as the familiar friend of Christ in whom
he trusted. Psalms 41:9. "Yea, mine own familiar friend, in whom I
trusted, which did eat of my bread, hath lifted up his heel against me."
There is no reason to believe that Ps. 41, originally respected either Christ or Judas. Christ quotes the 9th verse as is common in the
New Testament, not because it was originally spoken
of himself or of Judas, but because his case was like that of the
Psalmist. In the passage in which Christ quotes these words, he directly
negatives the idea of Judas being one of his true disciples. He says, John
13:18, I speak not of you all; I know whom I have chosen; but, that the scripture
may be fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against
me."
Here Christ plainly teaches that he to whom he
applied these words, was not chosen in the sense of being chosen to salvation,
or in the sense of his being a true saint. He says:
John 6:64. "But there are some of you who believe not. For Jesus knew
from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
65. And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me,
except it were given him of my Father. Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of is a devil?
71. He spake of Judas lscariot the son of Simon: for he
it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve."
He had chosen twelve to follow him as
pupils or disciples, but one of them he had known from the beginning to be a
wicked man. In John 17:12, Christ says, "While I was with them in the
world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none
of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that
the scripture might be fulfilled." Christ has been represented as saying
to his Father in this passage that he had lost none that the Father had given
him except the son of perdition, that is Judas. But this is not the meaning of
the passage in Christ's prayer. He intended that of those that the Father had
given him, he had lost none; but the son of perdition was lost that the
scripture might be fulfilled.”
It’s crazy to
even think that Apostle Judas was never saved, for instance Jesus says here…
“And
when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against
unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness
and all manner of disease. Now the names of the twelve
apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is
called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his
brother; Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the
son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus; Simon the
Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed
him. These
twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them,
saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the
Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of
Israel. And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give. Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your
purses, Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet
staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat. And into whatsoever city or town
ye shall enter, inquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence.
And when ye come into an house, salute it. And if
the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it:
but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you. And whosoever shall not
receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city,
shake off the dust of your feet. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more
tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for
that city. Behold, I send you forth as sheep in
the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.” Mt 10:1-16
Without a doubt
Judas was given power over unclean spirits, to cast them out, heal the sick,
raise the dead, preach the kingdom, and we know by this verse Satan cannot cast
out Satan: “And Jesus knew their thoughts, and
said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation;
and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: And if Satan
cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom
stand?” Mt 12:25, 26. Finney should know this,
but these false prophets will even twist scripture to protect a LIE.
Finney says…
“I consider next l Tim. 5:12.”Having damnation because they have cast off
their first faith." This passage stands in the following connection:
“1 Tim. 5:9. Let not a widow be taken into the number under threescore years
old, having been the wife of one man: 10. Well reported of for good works; if
she have brought up children, if she have lodged strangers, if she have washed
the saints' feet, if she have relieved the afflicted, if she have diligently
followed every good work. 11. But the younger widows refuse, for when they have
begun to wax wanton against Christ, they will marry; 12.
Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith. 13. And
withal they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to house; and not only
idle, but tattlers also, and busybodies, speaking things which they ought not.”
The word rendered
damnation in this passage is often rendered
judgment and condemnation; and the
meaning may be that the younger widows were
found to wax wanton and fall into condemnation, and for a time at least to disgrace their profession by
casting off their first faith; or it may mean
that they were apt to be found among those who renounced the profession of the
true faith which they at first professed. They were young widows. Uneducated as
heathen women were and are, and it could not be surprising that many of this
class should make a spurious profession and afterwards cast off their
profession through wantonness, and disgrace their profession. The apostle therefore warns Timothy against too hasty a
reception of them or against having too early a
confidence in the reality of their piety.”
In verse
“12.Having damnation, because they have cast off their
first faith.” And in verse “15. For some are already turned aside after Satan” Is defiantly talking
about someone leaving “true Faith” and
the word “damnation” is used here also and is the same word usage in Greek: Ro 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth
the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
Finney says…
“The passages we have examined are so far as I know the principal ones upon
which reliance has been placed to disprove the doctrine in question. I have
read over attentively several times the views of Mr. Fletcher in his Scripture
Scales, and the passages quoted by him to disprove this doctrine. His chief reliance is manifestly upon the numerous passages
that imply the possibility and danger of falling rather than on any passages
that unequivocally teach that any have or will utterly fall. I am not
aware that any respectable writer has laid much stress upon other passages than
those I have examined as expressly teaching or
unequivocally implying the fact of the fall and ruin of real saints.
There may be such writers and such passages as those of which I speak; but if
there are, I do not recollect to have seen them.
Before I proceed to state the main
arguments in support of the doctrine in question I would remark that I have felt greater hesitancy in forming and expressing my
views upon this than upon almost any other question in theology. I have
read whatever I could find upon both sides of this question, and have uniformly found myself dissatisfied with the arguments
on both sides. After very full and repeated
discussions I feel better able to make up and express an opinion upon the
subject than formerly. I have at some periods of my ministry been nearly on the
point of coming to the conclusion that the doctrine is not true. But I could never find myself able to give a satisfactory
reason for the rejection of the doctrine. Apparent facts that have come
under my observation have sometimes led me seriously to
doubt the soundness of this doctrine; but I can not see, and the more I
examine the more unable I find myself to see how a denial of it can be
reconciled with the scriptures.”
Finney even sounded like he came close to
realizing the doctrines falsehood, but with the above rendering of Finney’s interpretation
of scriptures I would have to conclude, Finney to be a False Teacher without
out a doubt. If someone holds to the doctrine of “perseverance of the saints”
they would have to say that David never lost his salvation even by committing
adultery and murder, and for Judas they would have to say he never was saved to
begin with. If the doctrine would say that one must preserver till the end and
sin must not be part of ones life, then I would say that sounds close to the
truth, but they have to make room for sin, even adultery and murder. These men
, Finney or who else will twists the word of God to protect a doctrine, is
indeed a False Prophet!