posted Oct 30, 2009 4:36 AM by Donald Vescio
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updated Oct 30, 2009 4:51 AM
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There's lots of debate on which frame is most aerodynamic; the debate itself is not helped by the publication of manufacturers' tunnel data, which often relies on a series of shaped assumptions and protocols. What's needed is an agent who would test the frames independent of manufacturer involvement. This is a very difficult proposition, even apart from cost--there still is the issue of how variables between frames can be normalized so that meaningful data can be collected (for instance, how should the tunnel test for different height head tubes among frames that are nominally the same in size?). An individual on one of the large discussion forums has decided to independently test a wide range of time trial/triathlon bikes, with the support of the forum community members, who are loaning bikes for the cause. It has been my practice to isolate major variables first, and then look a finer details of granulation. Here's what I've suggested: I know that little differences when taken cumulatively can yield
significant performance benefits, but another way to consider testing
is to start with a broader cross-section of design categories, get some
trend data, and then test specific makes under the best performing
category. This should save you some time (no pun intended) and money in
your initial testing scenarios.
From a UCI legality point of
view, there are really two primary design variants to consider: frames
like Look's 596 (large wheel cutout) and frames like the P4, Shiv, etc.
I'd also throw into the mix Kestrel's Airfoil Pro--the 2009 version
which is greatly refined over prior versions--for another set of data
points, as well as a beam bike and a standard 1 1/8" round tube steel
frame . Essentially, what I'm suggesting is that you try to determine
an optimal design category first and then move to a final level of
granularity in terms of testing a broader range of bikes.
Also,
I'm starting to suspect that small changes in the front end of the bike
makes huge differences; I'm wondering if it is possible to isolate the
impact that the fork has on overall performance. If not, then will the
standard be "as manufacturer spec'd," which can introduce a whole other
set of variables. For instance, if frame A tests marginally slower than
frame B, is the difference attributable to the fork and would a swap in
fork make an appreciable improvement? Cervelo apparently did this when
they replaced their Wolf fork; I know that adding a Blackwell fork to
my P3C made a fast bike even faster.
Bicycle aerodynamics is an incredibly complex phenomena that is dependent on oftentimes individual variables. It is important to remember that the benefits of even the most aero frames can be negated by poor body position or equipment choice. It will be interesting to see the results.  |
posted Oct 29, 2009 5:31 AM by Donald Vescio
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updated Oct 29, 2009 3:05 PM
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What makes an aero helmet aero? Is its long tail or some other factor? Do aero helmets offer a performance advantage over standard road helmets? According to most experts, after getting aerobars and establishing a solid aerodynamic position, the next biggest gain a rider can make is by purchasing an aero helmet. Depending upon the study cited, an aero helmet will provide an approximately one minute savings over 40km; of course, the raw time savings will be greater for slower riders. From left to right: Spiuk, Catlike helmet fairing, Bell Vortex; LAS Crono John Cobb, aero guru and bicycle designer, has spend a good amount of time in wind tunnels testing all sorts of factors that impact on cycling aerodynamics. Joe Friel summarizes Cobb's findings as follows:
Any aero helmet was ‘faster’ than any road helmet when in the
aero position. But here’s the one that blew me away: Aero helmets are more aero
when the tail is sticking up in the air (face looking down) than when the tail
of the helmet is against the back. I’ve always believed just the opposite as it
seems logical. I even wrote a blog on this last year. http://www.trainingbible.com/joesblog/2008...obb-clinic.html
This is a critical point, as most riders assume that the purpose of an aero helmet's long, sweeping tail is to smooth airflow transition over the back. Cobb himself notes in his original article that During these early tests we discovered
that the original long-tail helmets that were designed for the '84
Olympics really didn't work too well with aero bars. These helmets were
designed for use when riding cowhorn bars with very slack seat
positions.
http://www.slowtwitch.com/mainheadings/techctr/helmets.html
In other words, the original design of aero helmets arose prior to the widespread use of aerobars and aggressive steep seat angle bike positions. Cobb continues on by observing:During these years I kept noticing that
the pointy helmets were always faster when the riders would drop their
head down and have the tails sticking up in the air. I believed this
was because of the way that using aerobars made the air go over the
shoulders, but the helmet companies never put much stock in that
theory. They were diverting most of their R&D money to the safety
side of things, with which I have no quarrel. And they have developed
much lighter, cooler and prettier helmets. But they are also much
slower helmets.
Cobb's testing seems to contradict popular wisdom: If this point of an extended tail on an aero helmet is to manage airflow over the back, then why would sticking the tail of the helmet vertically into the airstream make negligible impact on aerodynamic performance? Clearly, something was amiss.
In later in his article, Friel offers a compelling hypothesis:
The reason why they are more aero when the helmet tail is
pointing up has nothing to do with the tail of the helmet; it has to do with
the air vents on the front. When the tail of the helmet is against the back and
the rider is looking ahead the front air vents create a lot of turbulence which
increases drag. When looking down so that the tail is raised the air flows
around the helmet more smoothly since the vents aren’t exposed to the wind. So
if you tape over the air vents the helmet creates much less drag and you go
faster.
What Friel is saying--and what is suggested by Cobb--is that the benefits derived from an aero helmet arise not so much from its shape, but rather from the fact that aero helmets offer a smooth and solid aspect to the wind. The reason why aero helmets were faster with their tails up than when their tails rested flat on their backs is because tilting the tail of the helmet up takes the front vents on the helmet out of play. Accordingly, a smooth, ventless, and relatively round helmet should test faster than an aero helmet with a long tail and lots of vents. (NB: It was later theorized that the long tail of an aero helmet does have a practical aero benefit for riders who place water bottles behind their seats--the tail-up position directs airflow a bit higher over the back, which takes that messy airflow of seat back mounts out of play.)
Note how raising the tail of the helmet down removes the front vents from play.
My own field and aero testing confirms the observations above--that helmet vents and aerodynamics don't work well together and that smooth helmets are better than helmet surfaces with many discontinuities: - If you are going to use an aero helmet with a
long tail, then choose one that transitions well to your back.
- I suspect that the whole tail pointing up stuff really has to do with the
front helmet vents being removed from the wind stream.
- Basically, vents, holes, discontinuities in the helmet's surface = less
aerodynamics.
- For my position, I found that a round, smooth helmet has close to the same
drag as a long-tailed aero helmet (close enough to be in the range of error).
- I also found that covering the front of a standard road helmet with mylar can
be fast, too, though road helmets tend to sit a little higher than some TT
helmets.
- Most riders overstate the value of vents in most aero helmets in terms of
heat reduction. If one wants heat reduction, then one needs to think in
terms of a road helmet (which won't be as aero).
- Shrugging the shoulders and extending the chin forward drops the head, making
any helmet at least marginally more aero.
When in a good aero position, the results of a full season of testing yielded the following data, arranged from fastest to slowest: - Simple tight fitting lycra swim cap (or fully bald head--but I couldn't test this!)
- Plastic aero head fairing (Catlike, etc.)--very low profile, no vents,
but no crash protection
- Bell Vortex helmet, with visor (can still get these on ebay)
- Modern aero helmet (giro, spiuk, etc.)
- Standard road helmet, front vents covered by plastic/mylar, etc.
The take aways:
Once you get rid of the vents in a helmet and
make it as low profile as possible, they all are pretty good. Some might be a
bit better for you position, but I don't think that any aero helmet will be dreadful. Those
who extend their neck and drop their head low have a lot more flexibility in
helmet choice than those who sit with their heads high above their shoulders
when in the aero position. If your aero helmet has vents, consider taping them over.
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posted Oct 6, 2009 12:29 PM by Donald Vescio
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updated Oct 6, 2009 12:35 PM
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This season’s observations:
- I won a total of 16 races this season and placed top three
in two; one race was an outlier and I was way off the winning time.
- My threshold power at the beginning of September was 407
watts, which is slightly higher than last season’s.
- My ideal cadence appears to be in the high 70s.
- I was pleased with my performance in each of my 56 mile+
races. The first I won by a 12 minute margin,
even with a 8 minute penalty for passing an official’s motorbike on the left;
the second I average over 30mph for the middle 34 mile section of the course,
but almost had to walk the hills at the beginning and end of the course because
I was running a single 60t chainring. These hills were steep!
- In September’s 56 mile race, I was very, very happy with my
performance. I had settled on a 56x46
chainring combination and even used the small ring three times on this
moderately hilly course. I hit the 51
mile mark at 1’54”; at this point, I flatted my rear tire (it was a wet course
and there was a lot of junk on the road).
Support reached me after 10 minutes or so; I got a tire change and
support took off, but I flatted again about 100 years down the road. It took support over 30 minutes to get back
to me. Despite the two flats, I was
excited by the quality of the ride—I’m finally figuring out how to do long TTs
and was on pace to do a 2’06”.
- My aero position has proven to be both comfortable and
extremely effective. Too bad that it
isn’t UCI legal. I’m going to head to
the tunnel again this fall to see if there is a way that I can get a UCI
configuration and still retain the efficiency that I gained this season.
- I’m still have a lot of issues with pain and impingement in
my hip and there is an impact on my riding.
I think that I’ll get another season before I need to get some surgery.
Goals for next season:
- Ride a sub 2’05” 56 mile TT
- Win the pursuit at Masters
Track Nationals
- Ride a 46km hour for a master’s performance hour record
- Be smarter regarding equipment choice!
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posted Oct 4, 2009 7:09 AM by Donald Vescio
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updated Oct 29, 2009 6:52 AM
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In a recent article, I looked at how moving to a shorter
crank length could have a positive impact on power output by opening up hip
angle while in an aero position. The
idea is that by shortening crank length by x-amount and by raising aerobars and seat heights by
the same amount, a rider can maintain his/her current aero position with less
hip impingement. For those who are
struggling to get into a lower aero position, reducing crank length enables a
lower frontal position for the same hip angle.
The concept is relatively simple:
Shortening crank length means that
seat height needs to be raised in order to maintain the same overall extension
of the leg. Once this is done, the rider
can decide whether to raise his/her aerobars the same amount, thus opening hip
angle and possibly enabling greater power generation, or to leave the aerobars
at the same height, which will result in a lower, more aerodynamic position.
Selection of crank length is somewhat of a black art and
science, combined. There are many who
support the proportional crank length argument, which is that crank length
should be match to a specific morphological characteristic, such as inseam
length. For instance, Dr. Michael
Fararri (who has some degree of notoriety for reasons other than his
biomechanical analyses of cycling) recommends:
- from 75 to 80 cm "inseam" = 170mm crank length
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from 81 to 86 cm = 172.5mm
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from 87 to 92 cm = 175mm
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93 cm and higher = 177.5mm
He then further refines the recommendations above by
factoring in a femur/tibia ratio—that is, if “the ratio femur/tibia is superior
to 1.13, it might be suggested a slightly longer crank (usually by 2.5mm) than
the one indicated by the inseam measure.”
Finally, pedaling style needs to be accounted, too. Dr. Ferrari
suggests that “rouleurs,” those who prefer to pedal in a seated
position, might opt for slightly longer cranks, as opposed to those who climb
out of the saddle (typical of lightly built climbers).
All of this can get overwhelming. There are, though, others who advocate a
simple formula approach. Such formulas
are based on the notion of an average femur length:
Inseam length in mm x .219 = Crank Length
.
So far we have accounted for inseam length and physical
morphology; we still need to account for predominate muscle fiber type. In very simple terms, there are two types of
muscle fibers: Type 1, slow twitch (recruited during endurance events); Type 2,
fast twitch (recruited during explosive, anaerobic events, such as
sprints). Two basic principles need to
be kept in mind. All exercise initially
will recruit Type 1, slow twitch muscle fibers; if the event is long in
duration and short in intensity, then Type 1 fibers might be all that is used
for the entire session. Second , each
athlete has a different proportion of Type 1 and Type 2 muscle fibers; research
is inconclusive as to whether the proportion of Type 1 and Type 2 fibers is a genetic or acquired trait.
While a needle biopsy is necessary to determine with any
specificity the fiber type of a specific muscle, athletes can gain a general
sense of their fiber type ratios by performing the following test as outlined
by Jason R. Karp:
An
indirect method that can be used in the weight room to determine the fiber
composition of a muscle group is to initially establish the 1RM (the greatest
weight that they can lift just once) of your athletes. Then have them perform
as many repetitions at 80% of 1RM as they can. If they do fewer than seven
repetitions, then the muscle group is likely composed of more than 50% FT
fibers. If they can perform 12 or more repetitions, then the muscle group has
more than 50% ST fibers. If the athlete can do between 7 and 12 repetitions,
then the muscle group probably has an equal proportion of fibers
What does all of this mean within the context of crank
length selection? According to Dr.
Ferarri,
- A longer crank could be adopted by those riders
who have predominance in red fibers (or Type I) and prefer high pedaling
cadences, while suffering high force peaks.
-
A longer crank in facts requires, at a given
power output, lower force peaks for each pedal stroke, due to the longer arm.
- Those riders who have a higher percentage in
white fibers (or Type II) instead, more used to bear high muscle tensions,
could opt for shorter cranks, allowing inferior articular excursions and
reducing internal friction.
In simpler terms, I recommend the following as a starting point:
-
If you are a lightly built endurance athlete who
tests primarily for Type 1, slow twitch fibers, you might want to opt for a
crank length equal to (or slightly longer than) Dr Ferarri’s inseam proportion
recommendations (listed above).
- If you are a muscular athlete who excels in
explosive efforts (i.e., has a high percentage of Type 2 (fast twitch) fibers,
then you might want to opt for a crank length equal to ( or less than) Dr. Ferarri’s recommendations.
In a future article, I will explore the
final variable in crank length selection, which is cadence and foot speed.
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posted Sep 12, 2009 6:04 PM by Donald Vescio
Photo from a Central New York Crit in the early nineties. Course was an oval loop: straight up one side, straight down the other. A cross road bisected the course near the bottom third of the descent. I would blast the downhill, which was very steep; when I hit the cross road at over fifty miles per hour, my bike would launch upward and I would cover some remarkable distance. I was dropped early in the race--I never could climb--but I worked hard to keep from getting lapped by the pack because the downhill was so exciting. The photo below appeared in a major city newspaper. Note the "bump" sign in the background. |
posted Sep 10, 2009 10:06 AM by Donald Vescio
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updated Sep 12, 2009 6:14 PM
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This past Saturday, I was hit by a car while on a mid-morning training ride. I was on my normal loop on which I do my intervals. This loop has lightly traveled roads, with very broad sight lines; the surface is good and I feel that I'm as safe as I can be while riding on public roads. At the time of the incident, there was a small mill on the right side of the road. This mill was converted into a few small shops, none of which ever seemed to have much in the way of visitors. As I was passing the mill, a car approached me from the opposite direction, then stopped approximately 50 yards away, signaling to turn left in the mill's parking lot. Just when I reached the parking lot, the car accelerated sharply and turned left in front of me. I was going approximately 27 miles per hour; fortunately, I was able to turn hard to my right to avoid a head-on collision, but my path still ended up drifting in front of the vehicle. The car hit my left hip and leg pretty much from behind; this, in turn, pushed me forward into the parking lot. I managed not to crash (and not to hit--or be hit by--another car), and rode home with a bruise that covered most of the left side of my lower body. While this certainly was a disturbing incident, it wasn't the first time that I was hit by a car. In 2004, I was struck by a car in a very similar situation, only that time I was hit solid. The car's bumper struck me in the left hip, launching me into the air; as the car continued forward, I was hit a second time, which tossed me completely over the vehicle. The end result was the loss of a good amount of my left hip and left shoulder, along with other broken bones and vertebrae. I had a one month stay in a rehab hospital, a two month confinement in a wheel chair, and two surgeries. Last Saturday's accident got me thinking about how many accidents that I've had while riding. Back when I raced on the road, I was used to crashing, as I was a sprint specialist. Oddly enough, the only injuries that I experience during this period were bruises and abrasions--I never did break any bones. But when I shifted my focus to time trialing (to be safer), my string of bicycle-related disasters began. Partial Catalog of Unusual Incidents- Struck by car three times. Two of the incidents are discussed above; the third occurred last year, when a car full of teenage girls passed me from behind and then turned sharply right, cutting me off. I hit the side of the car and landed its opposite side. Damage: broken right hand, dislocated left shoulder.
- Hit by golf balls three times. This happened twice as I was riding through a local public golf course and housing development. The first time was the result of an errant drive off a fairway located next to the road; this ball hit me in the left thigh and broke the skin, leaving a large bruise. The second time was near the back nine, when someone enthusiastically chipped their ball out of a sand trap, which hit me in the left arm. The final time occurred at another public course in an adjacent town. I have no idea as to the source of the shot; as I was riding, I felt a painful impact on my lower back, and then saw a ball bouncing across the street. I stopped, picked up the ball, and have it in my office right now.
- Picked up two snakes. I like finding interesting objects that I can bring home to my daughters. One spring day, I saw a beautifully colored toy snake on the side of the road. I stopped, picked it up, and then immediately flung it away when it started to move on its own. Coincidentally, an elderly woman was tending a flower pot at the end of her driveway near me when this happened. Upon hearing my scream (and seeing a snake take flight toward her), she let out a loud yell of her own and rapidly moved to her house, dragging her cane behind her. Not learning from prior experience, I picked up a live snake a second time, only there was no audience present to participate in the event.
- Snagged by a fish hook. This was just like the scene in There's Something About Mary. My interval loop passes through a reservoir which allows public fishing; there's a fairly broad shoulder on this road, on which people park their cars and fish. One afternoon, as I was finishing an interval, I felt a sharp pain, and then a strong tug on my left forearm. Looking down, I realized that I was snagged by a fish hook. Apparently, one of the fishermen that day was in the middle of a cast as I passed by. Not knowing that he had caught a cyclist, the fisherman jerked on the line to free the hook. The hook tore out of my skin, leaving a small scar; most interesting was how upset the fisherman was at me for disturbing his recreation.
 Aftermath of an Accident, Part One (2004)Same accident--note how the front fork was sheered off at the crown. The front wheel and fork landed approximately thirty feet away from the crash. |
posted Sep 10, 2009 9:54 AM by Donald Vescio
After my recent experience at Timberman (see an earlier blog entry), I reconsidered the wisdom of using a single 60t chainring in front. I realized that there may be times when it might be advantageous to be able to shift to a smaller chainring; the diffculty was that the 60t was so large that I couldn't fit a front derailleur on my bike so that it would shift correctly. (The problem is both a clearance and derailleur geometry problem.) The thing is, I really liked my 60t. My optimal cadence is between 75 and 80 rpm, and the 60t accomodates this cadence band very nicely. Also, on a subjective level, large chainrings just seem to role more comfortably for me than smaller chainrings, and I like having the option of having a really big gear for long downhills so that I can keep my cadence in control, while still being able to reach high top-end speeds. (This is important, as I can catch a lot of riders on the descents who are better climbers than me.) So what to do? After Timberman, I swapped out the single 60t for a double 56,48 combination. Even though I would seldom want to shift out of the 56, I thought that it would be nice to have a small gear option if the terrain becomes really, really steep. I've been using this combination for two weeks now and find that it works well on relatively flat courses, but that I miss having the extra gear inches associated with the 60t when bombing down hills. What I decided to do was run some calculations to see how fast I could go in different chainring combinations, based on a specific cadence. I chose a cadence of 80 rpm for my modeling, as this falls in my optimal range; I know that I can go at a much higher cadence if I have to, but this seemed like a good starting point. Now there are two ways that you can calculate speed based on gearing and cadence. One is to plug a formula into Excel and enter your variables; the other is to go to Sheldon Brown's Gear Calculator page (http://sheldonbrown.com/gears/) and work with his simple to use online application. I chose the latter. Sheldon's Online Gear CalculatorSheldon's Online Gear Calculator is pretty simple to use. In the gear units drop-down menu, I selected the MPH@80 RPM option; for chainrings, I entered 60, 58 (the largest chainring that I can use with a front derailleur that will shift), and 56. For the cassette, I chose the stock 11-21 nine speed, which I normally use. Data Entered into CalculatorThe resultant calculations are interesting: What the chart above tells me is that at 80 rpm, I will be traveling at 29.7 mph if I'm in a 60x13; at the same cadence, my speed would be 27.7 mph in a 56x13. Assuming that I could carry the same cadence for both of these gear ratios, the two mph difference could be significant. Note that for a given cadence, the delta in speed grows greater as the gearing becomes larger: 35.1 mph for a 60x11 versuse 32.7 for a 56x11. Is this delta significant in real world terms? For me, I think so only if there are a lot of descents in a course. On a flat course, I'll average between 29 and 31 mph; in this scenario, a 56x11 would fall nicely in my optimal cadence range. If there is a large downhill--think the back side of Marsh Hill at Timberman, for instance--then I would want a much bigger front chainring. Given that in most instances one needs to climb at some point in a loop course if it has great descents, a small chainring might be necessary, too, which excludes the use of a 60t (see above). The goal, of course, is to match gearing to one's natural cadence and power bands. By observing what gears I'm using during competition, I'll have a better sense of whether I need to go with a bigger or smaller chainring in front. Ideally, I like to have two bailout options: a small gear for going up hills, and a large gear for going down. Based on the data above, it would appear that (for me) a 58t (the biggest chainring that I can use and still have a functional front derailleur), along with a 48 small, might be the best all-around combination to use for most of the courses in New England. |
posted Sep 3, 2009 3:58 PM by Donald Vescio
Most riders today will install their aerobar shifters pointing downward, as in the image below of one of Lance Armstrong's 2009 Tour de France TT bikes: In this configuration, to move to larger rear cogs (re: easier gears), the rider has to reach down and pull up on the right shift lever; to move to smaller rear cogs (re: harder gears), the rider has to move his hand in front of the right lever and push down. In my experience, this is not a natural ergonomic motion, as it requires a good amount of hand movement to actuate a shift. The awkwardness of this motion can result in a greater chance of shifting errors, even with indexing levers. I've always installed my aerobar shifters pointing upward (i.e., reverse of most of today's set-ups) to minimize hand motion and to increase comfort while shifting: In this "inverted" configuration, pushing forward on the right lever makes it easy to precisely shift into larger rear cogs, even when running shifting in friction mode. To move to smaller cogs/higher gears, the right lever is simply pulled backwards. Over the years, I have found this to be a much more natural and comfortable motion; a number of small efficiencies like this collected together can result in a disproportionately positive increase in performance. Of course, the new generation of electronic shifters have the potential of being the most ergonomic solution of all. |
posted Aug 31, 2009 4:49 AM by Donald Vescio
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updated Sep 3, 2009 3:57 PM
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I've been experimenting with a couple of different time trial bike designs. Cervelo P3C Kestrel Airfoil Pro (2009 model) My goal is to build two bikes, one that is fully UCI compliant, they other non-UCI. To make the Cervelo UCI compliant, I'll need to level the aerobars (even though this tests slower for me) and swap in an Adamo saddle so that the nose of the seat meets the UCI requirement for set back. Also, the Cervelo's fork does not meet the UCI regulations for a 3:1 aspect ratio, so the Blackwell will have to go, too. (Will use Oval Concepts' fork). So far, the testing has been interesting. |
posted Aug 29, 2009 4:58 AM by Donald Vescio
I posted a variant of yesterday's entry on data representation in an active discussion forum. It generated a good amount of dialogue--over eighty posts in less than a day. I just added the following commentary that summarizes why I posted the article in the first place: Great citation--I'm a huge fan of Tufte and have any new members of my staff read this specific text when they arrive on the job.
My point in my original post was not to dispute the absolute data
presented in the original chart, but rather point out how data
presentation can significantly impact our reception of it. By zooming
in on the data range, differences look more significant in relative
terms. Of course, if one understands how data works, then the relative
component of data reception is (should be) minimal.
Absolute values are very important to me. I'm competitive enough where
a couple of seconds will matter and--despite the manner of presentation
of Cervelo's marketing materials--would assume that I'll most likely be
riding a P4C for UCI events next season (only caveat is how UCI rules
evolve between now and then).
Most consumers, though, don't understand data. My wife's a triathlon
coach and her athletes are extremely successful; what we see regularly
are individuals who will read a chart like the original and focus on the
relative presentation of data, and not on the absolute values. This, in
turn, leads to a whole series of non-rational decisions, such as
choosing a long, low frame for its drag numbers, when a shorter, taller
frame really is all that will fit appropriately.
All other variables being equal, a rider will go faster for the same
effort/output on a new uber-generation frame than on an older, less
aerodynamically efficient model. But that said, while I still believe
that the absolute values that separate framesets are important (and for
some riders exceptionally so), the frame has to factor into an analysis
of the overall frame/equipment/rider dynamic. Would a properly
designed frame that's short and tall, and which is aerodynamically
efficient, perform better than the frame that tests slightly better
aerodynamically, but has two inches of round spacers sitting on top of
its carefully sculpted head tube? I suspect that this *could* be the
case under some conditions.
The other issue that bothers me about the original chart is that *most*
riders will see higher yaw angles than those for which the frames are
optimally designed. Almost any bike is going to be fast at 0 yaw; it's
at the larger yaw angles that the most interesting data can be gained.
I fit very well on a Cervelo P3C and have had great success with it. I
also ride fast enough where I'll experience relatively low yaw angles
most of the time. What this tells me is that the P4C would be a great
match for me, but also that the absolute differences between this frame
and the other frames that one might use are not as great as what might
be experienced by an average middle of the pack rider.
So--the original post had a lot to do with perception and marketing,
and not so much with absolute performance. Even in this thread, its
interesting to see how posters fall into three distinct groups--which
isn't a bad thing.
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