LiveAps joined Every Single One Of Us as friends on the 6th January 2009. To mark the occasion, I caught up with Fletch and managed to arrange an exclusive interview with him about his magnificent service that, at the time of writing, had recently been featured on TechCrunch.
Lets get the low down from Fletch, the man behind it all.
JMac:
So Fletch, I saw on Techcrunch that you’re giving away 50% of your
revenues from day one to global partners. Isn’t that overly generous?
Fletch:
On the surface it might look like that JMac, and I’ve often wondered if
I’m nuts following my instincts…but my gut feeling is that a software
product with a network of intelligent and driven people motivated to
help shape it and drive the viral marketing likens to a very healthy
garden with more than one plant in it.
Yes,
I do have a strong vision for what I’m trying to provide people wanting
to publish to the web, but I’m also the first to admit that I’m
entering into unknown territory and I’ll listen to partners who are
likely to be more experienced than I am in this kind of venture. And
strangely, the spreadsheets support this.
I
get to keep my company core small and lean (and that’s reflected in the
costs), and if my partners do well, then I’ll do OK too. I’m not
motivated by trying to amass huge wealth, but more by having a nice
enough life of course, and at the same time making a difference for web
people currently incurring high costs to achieve what are basically
fairly simple things.
JMac: So what does that mean in terms of your VC discussions?
Fletch:
Firstly, I’ve had some fantastic free advice by entering into
discussions with potential investors. For instance, Carlos from Doughty
Hanson gave me over an hour of his time and I moved forward weeks in my
thinking as a result of this, so of course I have appreciated these
discussions.
Some
of the people I’ve met have truly been extremely clever and insightful,
but at the same time I find the whole investment process very time
consuming while holding no guarantees of funding. Then I asked myself
the question - why am I trying to raise money for marketing when that’s
going to take at least 3 months to get done, and I want to be going to
market now?
Then
I started thinking about the thing my father used to say that “salesman
who spend time on seat always on bottom”, and decided to test out the
potential for people power via partners - and it has worked. I’m now
dealing with like minded entrepreneurs in the UK, USA, Canada, South
Korea, Indonesia, Singapore, Japan, Brazil, and Australia - and if we
all pretty much do the same thing ie., keep the local media informed as
to what we’re doing and network properly at local industry events, the
marketing power generated will be awesome.
So
in terms of VC’s, maybe in future there might be reason to carry on
these discussions. At some point I’d like my company to be public so my
friends and family stakeholders have a method of trading their shares
and that will cost quite a bit of money, but for now I’m really happy
to just be getting on with the real business of developing, delivering
and evolving the product - and not have to be putting time into
fundraising documents and provision of information.
Interestingly, some growth funding has come directly from one of the partners which has a kind of karmic resonance to it.
JMac: You’ve been in private beta for a year. What did you learn from your beta community?
Fletch:
The first thing I learnt was this is not an us and them situation.
People have connected with me as real people, and I’ve done the same in
return. I know as things scale this will get harder to do logistically,
but somehow I’m gonna need to find a way to keep the conversation
going. Maybe the blog is a way that this can happen.
Secondly, what people have been using the software to do has astounded me.
-
One family used it to collaborate online about a European holiday,
while another chap at a USA University is going to use it to replace
exercise books for the next semester so students just type in their
work as full multimedia webpages, and the Professor can log and mark
the content.
- A UK primary school is trialling it to create a school site, then class sites, then individual pages for pupils.
-
An online retailer has used the product not to replace his site but to
enhance it. He normally worked in Dreamweaver, and has simply copied a
page into liveaps, and is building all his new pages using our software
and is saving himself he reckons about 80% of his time doing so.
The
third thing I’ve learnt and this is really important is that the
product doesn’t have to be perfect (in fact is anything ever perfect?
Being in a constant state of evolution seems right to me). Stable yes,
functional yes, but this whole Web 2.0 notion of a highly designed (and
expensive) sell site for liveaps and GUI would be nice but is not
essential. Enough people have joined liveaps to give me confidence, and
yes I will evolve the online experience as fast as I can, but I don’t
have to go and raise finance to do so before engaging with our
customers.
JMac:
When we first started talking a year ago, you were thinking of an
ad-supported ‘freemium’ model. What made you change your mind to
subscriptions?
Fletch:
It all came down to one thing really. Do we have something that someone
is willing to pay for? If the answer is yes, then let’s get on with it,
and we are. I don’t know how many what-if spreadsheets I’ve built over
the last 3 years trying to work out what to do, but what has become
obvious is that the simpler things are then the better they are. Trying
to calculate CPC and CPM variables in a fast-changing market is a
nightmare. I used to have a huge variables list but now it’s short:
local pricing, server costs, development and support costs, and a lean
managment overhead.
Combine
this with a revenue split for partners, and you’ve got something that
you can focus on without entering into the fields of academia.
JMac: What is your vision for long-term sustainable growth?
Fletch:
I’ve thought about this a lot as I have a responsibility to do so now
I’m involving the future of my partners’ families and not just my own.
And you know what? I think it’s taken care of by the business model
we’ve created. We are kind of of an ideas melting pot for not only me,
but also our partners and our customers. As long as we keep this
philosophy, we’ll be OK for product evolution and growth.
I
kind of liken this to Google. They started with a nice search algorithm
that worked, and entered the market at a fortuitous time - and look
what they’ve built by taking into account all the thoughts of their
employees (and also most probably customers). I love the way their
staff get given paid time to think, and also how they create
applications they would like to use themselves and offer them to the
public.
So as we say back home in New Zealand, “She’ll be right mate”.